Last night.
Claire Byrne Live on RTÉ One.
During a debate on the admissions policy in Catholic schools.
Dave Hanratty writes:
Actress and comedian Norma Sheehan giving Maria Steen [iona Institute] a finger shooting last night…
Meanwhile…
In fairness.
FIGHT!
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…those finger shots are no defense against flesh-eating zombies from the iona institute…
These surveys always show up lot of support for getting rid of the church from schools in general yet when parents are asked about removing the religious patrons from their own kids schools they almost always vote to keep the church as patron.
And those same parents never go to church apart from weddings, funerals, Christmas, communions and confirmations.
You’re forgetting the most important one, the gateway drug – christening
And complain about ‘de gubberment’ but keep voting for their own local crook.
And then vote for his son/daughter.
you know, Kieran, I don’t always agree with your political opinions (mostly not, actually), but I do reckon you’re an intelligent and decent fellow. But when you do something like write “de gubberment”, I lose a bit of respect for you. It’s childish, stupid, and unfortunate. Sorry, don’t mean to he rude.
No, fair enough BB. I take your point on board.
I do feel it’s the same mindset though. “We do it because we’ve always done it…”
Nothing to do with socio-economic background or level of education attainment (which “de gubberment” implies). In fact, it’s really only FF and FG that benefit from mindless allegiance through generations, and both are middle-class parties.
Kieran being exhibit A
“reckon you’re intelligent” lol
Do they, do you have any evidence to back up that assertion?
…evidence is not usually required by religious people…
all the lols for you :D
I lol’d..
that’s actually utter fupping bullpoo, Alison
(has it become OK to just make poo up in support of your own position on things now?)
Need you really ask?
true
seems I’m too pure and beautiful for this world
When has there ever actually been such a vote in Ireland, Alison?
2013. The department of education has balloted lots of schools and in a large number of cases the parents have refused to remove the church even when the church has proposed those schools for a change in patronage. There is generally support for a different patron in the area but not for that particular school. In 2013 38 towns were surveyed and 23 were identified as warranting a change but this was mostly delivered via new schools. Ruairí Quinn has spoken at length over the years about the problems this has caused. It is not a reflection of my position it is just a fact.
Alison, I don’t think this is correct. From the Dept Education Website re primary school patronage surveys in 2013:
“Detailed analysis of the surveys shows that there is sufficient parental demand in 23 out of the 38 areas to support an immediate change in the existing school patronage.” […] “While there is a cohort of parents in the remaining 15 out of the 38 areas who would support a change in patronage, the surveys show there is not sufficient demand at present to ensure that a school of different patronage would be viable. ”
http://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2013-Press-Releases/PR-%202013-%2004-%2002.html
If all schools ceased to be catholic schools the kids would still go. This is sufficient demand.
As I said there is demand. It is when they asked would the parents want their particular school changed that the parents were not very keen. Lots of people want a change in patronage in other schools.
It’s so important when dealing with a monopoly of a majority to put it’s disestablishment up for majority vote.
The principle is whether it’s ethical for the person who teaches your child about biology and gravity and evolution on the taxpayers dime also teaches them about an immortal wizard named Jesus who’s dad made the world.
That question should be re-phrased to “Should ‘publicly funded’ schools be permitted …”. Imagine the Yes’s would be even fewer.
Yep yep yep!
Send your kid to the Moonies if you want, but don’t expect the rest of us to pay for it.
Maria Steen made some valid points, backed up by members of the audience.
Norma Sheehan even admitted she did not need baptism certs in the end.
Sorry, somebody is shouting in my ear: “Iona Institute, IONA!”
I’m wrong. Everything she said is wrong, and we’ve a licence to abuse her.
Apologies for my original point.
apology accepted
and you’re quite right – they’re all bigoted, irrational and unthinking ladyparts
What was your original point?
Funny how ‘progressive’ parents never demand for schools to be desegregated, isn’t it? Imagine, how shocking that would be – boys and girls, in the same class, together, simultaneously and at the same time!
The same parents also never demand a school bus system for Dublin, to bring Tarquin and Siuchra from Ranelagh to a non-denominational school in Marino or Coolock. I wonder why…
“Ranelagh to a non-denominational school in Marino or Coolock.”
Because people don’t want to force their children to travel? are you thick?
It’s literally only religious schools that are segregated.
Educate Together has boys and girls educated…together.
I utterly oppose the baptism requirement or it being preferred over non-religious applications.
But I am christening my son because at the moment, it is still the only way of guaranteeing he gets into the best local school.
I know that’s hypocritical but that’s how Ireland works. I know I’m part of the problem but I want my Government to pass a law to make it illegal to discriminate instead of forcing parents into a hypocritical act.
Think of all the money and pressies
you’llhe’ll get!Once a catholic, always one. He may not thank you when he is older.
not sure that’s correct
I was baptised etc, but have yet to meet anyone who can match my seething contempt for every aspect of that corporate ring
Oh I’ve a fairly fiery hatred for it myself.
I wish I’d been given the information and allowed to choose for myself when old enough to understand the significance and realities of that choice.
Just lie about the christening. And “best” is a relative term. Best at what exactly? Travel Distance, Less blacks/travelers. Statistically, for a boy the best school in terms of grades is a mixed gender one , for a girl it is the opposite. Best chance for you kid to get groped by a randy priest? Best? Explain what “best” means to you and what evidence do you have,( if it is grades you are focusing on.) Is there an impartial website that grades schools?
Why do people even want religious schools? I understand traditional convent education – full on ‘framework’, nuns, frequent prayers and kneeling, hardship, unquestionable submission – proper stuff.
But in ‘regular’ catholic schools teachers are lay, some may be of no religion and work in catholic schools because it’s the only work placement available, not because of some profound reverence to faith through education.
So what’s the story? Me think these ‘parents for catholic schools’ are just lazy – don’t want to waste precious personal time reading bible to kids. Or may be not to be ostracized ? But by whom? Who gives a fupp nowdays? Amen.
Unthinking, uncritical, ‘tradition’
Like being an FG shill?
My kids went to a C of I primary school inside the canals (south side) which therefore qualified for all sorts of funding supports – disadvantaged area and that. Very few actual C of I’s (surprise surprise), but lots of folk there availing of special funding for all sorts of difficulties. All in all, a genuine inclusive experience, kind of by default.
Mine went to one of them too (cause there were no non-religious schools in any sane distance and general oversupply of kids in dublin). Kids could opt out of all religious activities and many did. Interestingly, one who didnt was way more cynical about religion, then my unbeliever ever could be. Parents enroll kids to religious schools to save their own souls, not for kids. Kids know whats what.
Parents enroll kids to religious schools because they have no fupping option
What do we want? Laïcité!
When do we want it? Todäy!
Stupid, sexy Maria Steen.
I know I was thinking that too
You both need to get out more