39 thoughts on “De Monday Papers

  1. Simplelife

    From reading the Examiner it is hard to stomach that nobody will be held accountable but it is probably true. How can people who support these RMC institutions week in week out not feel some amount of disgust, sadness or shock? And if they do, why do you still blindly support them after ALL THE HURT THEY have caused to so many people in Ireland and all over the world?

    1. newsjustin

      Some people don’t like to consider it, but the RCC is likely the single largest provider of health, education and social care on earth. That’s one reason. There’s also the spiritual considerations….which are easily scoffed at by those who don’t share those views, but then, that’s kind of the point.

      1. Sam

        Quite a few people are aware of the near monopoly the RCC has on our schools. What’s not so well known is some of the tactics they employed to achieve that. But, that’s kind of the point of prioritising indoctrination rather than a genuine education.

        1. newsjustin

          You should go and outline that to the people of Lisala in the Democratic Republic of Congo while you’re building schools and medical clinics for them.

          1. Simplelife

            And also don’t forget to tell them when these buildings are built, the ‘liberties’ that priests and nuns will take with innocent children, weak people or people made to believe they are the devil. The hurt they will cause because they think they’re superior…. Sound familiar?

          2. Simplelife

            And what about all the hurt caused by the church in their ‘quest’ for education, medical or social care? When you look at what happened in this country there was certainly a void left by government that the church filled. But that does not forgive or excuse them from the pain, hurt and abuse they then went on to cause, abusing their position of power. Thats what the church thrives on, being in power, dominating over their people and doing what they want and say ‘its gods way’ to get away with it.

          3. Sam

            That would be the same DRC where in the name of bringing our ‘christian culture’ and civilisation, kids had their hands chopped off for not meeting their rubber quotas? Nah, I actually do volunteer work including teaching, neither of which involves requiring people to first adopt my beliefs or to do hard work to enrich me.

      2. Simplelife

        You say provider… they may ‘own’ the buildings but they now don’t train the staff, pay the bills, add nothing to any of them but a name. And the more the world catches onto the mess the church leaves behind there will be no further for them to run and hide. No amount of spiritual belief can justify or forgive the amount of wrong-doing the RCC is doing. Its all the same RCC so you cannot detach elements of it to suit a debate

        1. newsjustin

          In many parts of the world, most particularly the developing world, the RCC pays for everything….buildings, staff, feeding children/patients, supplies, security. Because no one else will.

          1. Simplelife

            Oh really? How silly of me to think that the UN, The Red Cross, World Food Programme, Doctors without Borders and all those similar organisations are all there because of the RCC… give me a break!

          2. newsjustin

            The RCC runs 140,000 schools, 5,000 hospitals, 16,000 medical centres, and runs 200,000 parishes. There are many large charities and a handful of very large NGOs and development agencies. None have the scald and reach of the RCC.

            The question was asked above…..I think it’s one of the reasons Irish Catholics are proud to be Catholics. …amongst the reasons they are not proud to be.

          3. Simplelife

            Strange, a question about pride was never asked…. You can throw all the numbers you want out here but no number will ever justify 796 Tuam bodies in a septic tank.
            I questioned peoples faith in a RCC organisation that allowed this, and so many more atrocities to happen for decades when they thought they were invincible.

          4. objective

            @newsjustin you really need to adequately research the Vatican Bank. You’re out of your depth.

      3. objective

        @newsjustin Some changes which the Catholic Church have resisted in Ireland:
        1944 – Tampons
        1950 – Mother and Child Scheme
        1970 – Studying in Trinity College
        1973 – Married women in the Civil Service
        1985 – Contraception
        1986 – Divorce
        1993 – Decriminalisation of homosexuality (this was before Grindr in Maynooth Seminary)
        1996 – Divorce etc etc
        @Newsjustin. You’re mixed up. People don’t care about peoples’ spiritual beliefs. People have no objection to Roman Catholics going to Mass etc. It’s when the hypocritical bishops start lecturing on moral matters where they no longer have ANY capital. It’s about hypocrisy within the Church. Grindr in Maynooth. Catholic Bon Secours sisters burying an extraordinarily high number of babies in waste (euphemism) ground. Hypocrisy isn’t new: Bishop Browne of Galway drank champagne (he liked a glass every afternoon) while he discussed why he wouldn’t support Dr Noel browne’s Mother and Child Scheme for poorer mothers with Dr Noel Browne.

        1. Zena

          You appear to have silenced Father Justin, he disappears when faced with cold, hard facts.

    2. EightersGonnaEight

      There is somebody to go after. Hurt them badly by suing the Bon Secours Hospital Group.

      1. Nigel

        Going by past behaviour, if you sue a religious order, the State will end up paying. Now maybe they should pay, because the State is implicated heavily in all this, but as a punitive effort against the order, it may end up punishing taxpayers.

      2. scottser

        the church orders put all their assets into trust following the abuse scandals as a way to avoid the redress board. i’d have to google but i’m sure it was mccreevy and bertie sorted it for the church behind closed doors and basically let the taxpayer fund the redress scheme.

  2. objective

    Is the apology from Rosita Boland and Conor Goodman to Catherine Corless from The Irish Times in today’s paper then?

    1. Simplelife

      Along with an apology from Perry Trone for good measure?? I’ll keep those fingers crossed… just in case

      1. Sam

        Her willingness to be a mudguard for her clients is actually a selling point of her spin clinic.
        Defending the indefensible isn’t something just any old PR hack can do.

        I’m sure she has a practiced routine with soundbytes, hand gestures and appropriate bowing of the head for apology situations.

  3. objective

    Would Una Mullally consider the behavior of The Irish Times to the female sub editor who went on maternity leave outrageous also? Just wondering.

    1. EightersGonnaEight

      Her muffia consigliere Jennifer O’Connell never mentioned it as she brought up workplace relations…


      Mullally has an agreement with Irish Times management that no criticism of her is to be published in the Irish Times Letters page or by other articles in that newspaper. It’s part of the snowflake chilling of free speech. Check out the archives and you will see. What an appalling woman.

  4. petey

    full credit to broadsheet.ie for showing the Morning Star. not exactly my cup of tea but it’s the best we’ve got at the mo.

  5. martco

    just end their stranglehold on schools admission policy and financially punish them

    the schools policy is the root – most new parents in my circle state that their only reason for baptising is school admission
    betcha 99% on here have no idea why they were baptised, sure why would ya? you didn’t get a choice

    kill the root and within a couple of generations they become a small weird cult that noone is interested in.

    I’m suspicious about this story, the info has been in the domain a long time now….best get it out now and it will be well faded to grey with all the other issues before the pope arrives, eh?

    1. Sam

      You can see why they changed the church rules on ‘defection in the last decade. People being added to the register before age of consent – you’re a member.
      People who wish to formally disavow their membership of the Catholic Church – you’re still a member, just not a good member.

      I wonder how many people are still listed as members of this criminal organisation, despite their desire to be disassociated from it and its many atrocities.

      1. bisted

        …I think the census figures will show a massive decline in the number of people who declare as having catholic faith despite the question asked on the census form being acknowledged as flawed…
        It is still possible to get removed from the church register by getting excommunicated but the route is tortuous…another easy way is to informally register your defection from the catholic church at the notme.ie site operated by Atheist Ireland…


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