https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbsItJDT_aw&feature=youtu.be
…A furious, Lycra-clad numpty.
Captured in Dublin this week.
Raphael writes:
Found the one guy acting like a twit to make all 2-wheelers look bad on the road…
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Without sounding pedantic, you’re not meant to change lanes unless you’re 100% sure the lane or direction you’re going is free. All drivers must yield to people on bikes for this reason. As for breaking lights, surveys have shown more motorists break reds. It’s a ridiculous argument to hate people who cycle, not everyone does. Everyone has a duty of care and should just obey the rules. I mean how many people drink and drive, speed, use their phones behind the wheel to watch YouTube, comment on Broadsheet about #bloodycyclists etc. Possibly loads. Does that mean we should hate ALL motorists? No of course not
Not condoning either party here but you’ve only a snapshot of what when on at this location. Further back (before you encountered this pair) taxi driver may have been bullying said person on a bike out of the bus lane, could’ve been revving engine, beeping horn, flashing lights and being aggressive etc which would potentially explain person’s reaction.
Taxi driver nearly took out the (non wearing lyra) person also on a bicycle as he pulled out into the lane without checking its free.
What’s the harm in simply waiting a couple of seconds more, I mean the taxi rank isn’t moving anywhere, neither is the traffic at the red light. The roads here have become absolutely unbearable. One person’s impatience can easily mean another person becomes seriously injured, or worse: dead.
whilst I agree with a lot of what you wrote there I have to query one thing
when you say that surveys show more cars break reds than cyclists? what surveys are these then…the one offa Family Fortunes?? :)
I’m sorry but that concept is simply not credible to me. Not remotely.
On a daily basis both in a van and on a bike I see cyclists breaking reds and hopping footpaths to bypass reds. I might catch 1 or 2 cars A WEEK.
Sorry but it’s poo poo.
The cyclist is obviously 100% in the wrong on the red light (although I’m sure they have some form of self-justification for it). And they’re wrong for hitting the taxi, though again as Paps points out below, it does appear as though the Taxi is brake-checking – but we can’t be definitive about that given the angle.
What’s also wrong though, is the Taxi’s attempt to cross a solid white line to enter the bus lane. It’s been a few years since my theory test, but if I remember correctly you can never, ever cross a solid white line, indicators or no indicators.
As usual then, wrong on both sides.
And, on another look, the motorcyclist who took this video (Raphael, I’m looking at you!) also crosses the solid white line, AND drives in the shared bus/cycle lane – the former is definitely a no-no, the latter I’m pretty sure is too, though admittedly I’m open to correction on this one (pedal-powered bicycles being okay, engine-powered bicycles not). So, does this mean we’ve found that one motorcyclist who makes all the other ones look bad?
Further, the taxi also cuts across yet another cyclist when moving into the bus lane.
And that black car dangerously cuts across the motorcyclist too.
– A plague on all your houses!
Motobikes can use bus lanes.
No, they can’t
That white line is not the same as others. By your logic many bus routes would not function within the city
I’m afraid it is. A solid white line, whether in the middle of the road, delineating a bicycle lane, or a bus lane, solid white lines can’t be crossed. This isn’t my logic, it’s just the rules of the road.
That’s not to say people don’t cross them all the time. But if you do – like the taxi driver and the self-righteous motorcyclist – then what you’re doing is wrong, sometimes dangerous, and you can’t really complain about other road users you’re engaging with at the time.
It really is genuinely concerning that I am sharing the road with someone who drives a one-tonne vehicle, and doesn’t know what basic road markings mean…
Now you have it. All those manoeuvres are against the law. Obviously plenty of people do it, and the guards don’t enforce it, but if and when there is an accident, whoever made that manoeuvre will be completely liable and in the wrong.
It’s like the stopping-distance rule. Most of the time people don’t obey the law and are too close to the car in front, and when that other car brakes and you run into the back of it then you will be blamed, full stop, end of argument (barring the very, very rarest of exceptions).
All I’ve been trying to say is that the taxi and the motorcyclist are both in the wrong. There is no grey area on that. As is the cyclist, though for different reasons.
So Raphael’s video and superior tone is hypocritical at best, revealing of dangerous ignorance of the rules of the road at worst.
So you’re saying the bus lanes across the city are designed to force bus drivers to break the law?
Can point to the location I can read up on a white line marking for a bus line = a white line to not cross
I can only find the following relating to solid white lines (my emphasis):
S.I. No. 294/1964 – Road Traffic General Bye-Laws, 1964.
“9 Continuous white lines
9. An authorised continuous white line along the centre of a roadway shall indicate that traffic must drive to the left of the line, and when on a stretch of roadway on which such a line has been provided a driver shall, save for the purpose of entering or leaving land or premises adjoining the right hand side of that roadway, drive to the left of the line.”
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print
Firstly, nothing is designed to force you to break the law, that’s a false conclusion. Not that we don’t all do it, but no one is putting a gun to our heads – or to the bus drivers’ heads, to make these manoeuvres.
Secondly, Cian points out the law in the Irish Statue Books below, which sets the basic rule for a solid white line in a two-lane road – with both lanes moving in opposite directions. This rule expands beyond this for roads with more than two lanes. Just consider the fact that the M50, for example, is broken white lines throughout, signalling you can cross it when moving between lanes. BUT, when merging from a slip road the line is a solid white until it becomes broken, meaning you have to wait until the broken line before trying to merge with the M50 traffic.
Or consider the difference between cycle lanes in which the dividing line is broken (indicating drivers can move into them and occupy this space) versus those with solid white lines (which cannot be entered into by other traffic).
It’s not just the Irish government being cheap and trying to save money sometimes, the difference between a solid white line and a broken white line is firmly established and really means something.
Finally, I really don’t understand why you can’t just accept that 1. These are the rules, 2. Like most laws they are not intended to facilitate you or anyone else’s ease of the morning/evening commute, but to ensure order and minimise accidents, 3. Lots of people break them, including you and I no doubt, and 4. If you do this, you’re in the wrong and liable for the consequences of any accident you are involved in, even if you don’t actually think you were to blame, that the cyclist should have slowed down because you were ahead of them, etc.
@catsiglierie
re: your motorway ‘merging from a slip road the line is a solid white’: technically these are “hatched areas” (two solid white lines with lots of diagonal lines between them) that get narrower and narrower until the two separate lines join. There are separate laws that govern these.
Similarly, there are separate laws relating to the solid white lines on cycle lanes.
But there aren’t generic (a) “don’t cross any solid white lines” or specific (b) “don’t cross any Bus Lane solid white lines” laws that I am aware of – I’m open to correction (with evidence)
@Cian, agreed on the hatched areas, I was skipping to the end on this one – when the two lines merge together and the hatched area disappears, the solid white lines continue – in some cases for quite a distance – to allow cars to negotiate their positioning and understanding before allowing merging.
As for the bus lanes and solid white lines – again, agreed that the cycle lanes / motorways / etc are governed by specific rules, but the bus lanes are too. I’m off my laptop at the minute, will need to find the specific evidence for this, but it is also usually the case that the rule is universal (dotted white lines always mean the same thing, signs always mean the same thing, etc.)
One thing I will point to though, because I can right now, is the entry point for a bus lane – have a look and when it begins (as in this video), there is a broken white line at an angle at the very beginning of the lane to permit entry. You can see it between 0.06 and 0.09 in the video
Have a look at 5.19 on the attached, the signs make the entry points a little clearer: http://trafficsigns.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/05-traffic-signs-manual-2010-chapter-5-regulatory-signs.pdf
@catsiglierie as a rule-of-thumb, “never cross a continuous while line” is a great one to follow.
However that doesn’t mean (a) it is always illegal to cross any white line; or (b) in circumstances where the law states that you should not cross a specific white line – that this is always enforceable.
For an example of the second, if there is a continuous white line down the middle of the road – the law says you should not cross it. However, in real life, if there is an obstruction (e.g. car parked) on your side of the road then you are allowed to cross the white line – if you can do so safely.
So, what your self justification when, as a pedestrian, you jaywalk when crossing the road? Im curious.
And I don’t have any self-justification, so can’t answer your question. I was merely suggesting that most road users, when they do something wrong, construct some form of interior narrative to justify said action – myself included.
For example;
CYCLIST: I’ll run through this red light, because if I stop the bus behind me will probably run me over. And sure I’m not doing any harm really. That red light doesn’t really apply to me anyway.
TAXI DRIVER: I’ll skip past the bus here and cross into the taxi lane then, so I don’t get stuck behind the bus. Sure then I’ll only have to overtake them the next time they stop. I can’t waste time like that when I’m trying to make a living. And that white line doesn’t really apply to me.
MOTORCYCLIST: I’ll drive in the left lane, inside the traffic, even though it’s a bus and cycle lane. If I overtake the slow-moving traffic by going out into the right lane, then I’ll be meeting the oncoming traffic, which will be dangerous for me. And I didn’t get a motorbike to sit in traffic. And that solid white line doesn’t really apply to me.
etc.
the existing bus lane access for motorcyclists in Dublin will be extended to all with-flow bus lanes nationwide. In addition, motorcyclists will be treated as cyclists for the purposes of using advanced stop lines and bus gates. Motorcyclists have had perfectly legal access to a number of bus lanes for over a decade now without any negative effect whatsoever and this change simply brings us into line with Northern Ireland where bus lane access for motorcycles is increasingly the rule rather than the exception.
And the key words you type here are ‘will be’. This is not yet the case, and certainly not in this instance.
And this still doesn’t address the illegal crossing of the white line.
Don’t get me wrong, motorcyclists should have more protections on the road, although not at the expense of the more vulnerable road users. And the simple fact is that if everyone obeyed the rules of the road as they are (not as they will be, nor as the road user wants them to be), then accidents and injuries would dramatically decrease.
@Increasing_Displacement: what are you talking about?
looks to me like you copy and pasted from an April Fool post! :-/
You’re a silly boo boo Cian
@Increasing_Displacement before you go around calling names – can you link to any evidence of what you are saying, please?
What you wrote above is exactly the same as paragraph 1 in https://www.bikebuyersguide.ie/MAG_To_Form_FF
if you read it to the end you’ll see:
Asked to comment on the announcements made during the press conference this morning, P.R.O. of MAG Ireland, (The Irish Motorcyclist’s Association), Dr. Michael Noonan quipped “there’s no fool like an April fool!” before heading off to work on his motorcycle.
but perhaps I’m not bright enough to understand big long articles.
Need some Sudocrem™ for that burrrrrn, @Displacement?
As a relatively recent driver in the last 3 or 4 years, I am still hyper aware of my driving and that of those around me. I can tell you that at pretty much every junction I go through there is at least one driver in each direction who still goes through after light has gone red. And then there are the ones who are the second and third to go through sometimes. It blows my mind.
The ‘survey’ you mention is in fact an empirical research study undertaken at the University of Florida Transportation Institute. Research on the topic was published about a month ago
*taps furiously while cycling with no hands*
Yeah, well you, well, ya know wha’ I
*looks up… and down again*
I’ll tell ya wha’
*looks up… and down again*
Where was I
“All drivers must yield to people on bikes for this reason.”
Above is incorrect – the cyclist is illegally undertaking the car therefore he is completely at fault. There’s a recent thread on Boards.ie relating to this and the law behind it. The taxi had his indicator on therefore the cyclist should be vigilant and weary he will be turning left – not speed up. Idiot.
Indication does not confer a right of way.
The cyclist was behind the taxi when that indicator light went on. Cyclist if cycling correctly will have seen it, easily.
Chose not to, instead overtook dangerously on inside, and aggressively as displayed in slapping the car.
So, clearly in the wrong.
Cyclist zero / Taxi Driver lucky
It’s the law:
“(b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—
(i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,…
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print
The cyclist should have been keeping a safe distance and have been aware of traffic ahead. Also, you’re not supposed to overtake on the inside.
I’d have to agree with Nessy on this one . Indication does not imply that you can move in coz your bigger !!
No, but aggressive careless cycling doesn’t mean you can cut up on the inside just ’cause you are on a bike even though the indication has been clear for over 50 yards. And way before getting in car slapping distance.
Cyclist is careless, and in wrong.
Nonsense the guy on the bike is an impatient silly billy
the taxi nearly taking out the 2nd cyclist is the most dangerous thing in that video & motorcyclists in the bus lane is against the law but yeah all the 1st cyclists fault
Bet this guy comes up behind walkers in parks without warning.
taking out 2nd cyclist is most dangerous thing in that video & motorcyclists not allowed in bus lane, everyone breaks rules on roads but 99% are killed by cars/trucks
Motobikes are allowed in a bus lane.
The main issue here is not who is right or wrong but rather the cyclist reacting with violence, hitting the car with his fist, no need for that.
+1
That’s the main issue?
Not that he deliberately put himself physically at risk and the taxi drivers lively-hood at risk?
Well, his slapping the car is wrong. Cyclists cycling rice is wrong.
I retract my +1 :)
rice?
reckless!
Ha!
You do see the same rage in cars too. Doesn’t seem to matter what vehicle people are in they become aggressive bum holes when they feel they have been in any way wronged.
Thing is, cyclists are so vulnerable and along with motorcyclists need to be more careful than others for their own sake.
Taxi and bus drivers must have endless patience.
Cyclist idiot. From the start of the video the taxi driver is indicating that he is turning/pulling in to his left. If that cyclist banged on my car i’d have serious words with him.
Taxi gave ample notice of intent. Regardless of right/wrong, the cyclist could have been more patient because there`s no sense in being right and dead.
‘Ample notice.’ Good lord you must be a dangerous driver.
9/10 seconds notice before beginning his lane change.
That is ample notice.
I doubt you leave your indicator on in the city for 9/10 seconds every time
You can give all the notice you want and that still isn’t right of way and certainly not the right to cross a white line.
Cyclist got plenty notice. if that’s not enough, maybe he’s just a really crap cyclists and shouldn’t be on the road feckin’ it up for the rest of us cycling our commute.
Maybe you should stop allowing idiots to declare that the behaviour of one cyclist can be somehow attributed to all cyclists. And no amount of signalling means you can maneuver if it isn’t safe or legal.
Maybe u should stop suggesting what you think I believe. Ya look silly
Stop feckin it up for the rest of us Clampers.
Cyclists also have to obey lane markings.
See rules of road.
http://www.cyclingireland.ie/downloads/ci%20ride%20leader%20-%20guide%20to%20cycling%20on%20the%20road.pdf
I thought things like unbroken white lines didn’t have to be adhered to, or have you revised your position on that, hmmmm?
Simply pointing out the hypocracy stating a rule then breaking it for another road user.
This whole thing is about ignoring, even endorsing, the behaviour of the drivers to attack the behaviour of the cyclist.
The Taxi did not have to brake because of traffic, it looks like he tried to brake check him and twice at that, check the lane after the taxi moves in, there’s no-one ahead of him…
Idiot cyclist the type that gets us all a bad name -if a motorist ahead of a cyclists signals to turn left then out of courtesy alone the cyclist should hold back and allow the motorist to finish the move ( which is of course far different that a motorist passing a bike just to turn left on the cyclists path ; signaling or not )-the roads are to be shared by all users and simple courtesy will leave us all safer and less stressed
Exactly.
+1
No. Not courtesy, it’s the law:
“(b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—
(i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,
(ii) is stationary for the purposes of permitting a passenger or passengers to alight or board the vehicle, or
(iii) is stationary for the purposes of loading or unloading.”
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/332/made/en/print
Shall we start posting videos every time a taxi does a U turn without looking? Youtube doesn’t have the space.
Silly comment. Nothing to do with this issue.
What about videos off cyclists breaking red lights? See it multiple times a day.
What about videos off cars breaking red lights? See it multiple times a day.
He’s attempting criminal damage by striking the car.
No he isn’t .
Oh yes he is.
Topsy brings charges of attempted criminal damage against anyone who knocks on his front door.
Do you just go around punching peoples property?
And then claim you didnt damage it so it’s ok?
Good grief it was the equivalent of a tap on the shoulder. Drivers have some nerve accusing cyclists of over-reacting they really do.
Glad we cleared that up.
You can punch anything you want as long as you deem that punch to be insufficient to cause damage
What a boo boo you are.
Hey, drivers can cross unbroken white lines whenever they want, apparently, but the real problem is a cyclist tapping the side of a car.
In other news, you will soon be able to register numpt.ie so you don’t have to bother us with this rubbish here.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/a-bad-idea-man-who-created-irelands-first-website-slams-upcoming-changes-to-ie-domain-36525742.html
A bad idea’ – Man who created Ireland’s first website slams upcoming changes to .ie domain
(As to why anyone would want to register miriamocallaghan.ie or harrycrosb.ie beats me, but anyway)
If road users were political parties:
Car drivers would be Fianna Fail
Cyclists would be the Anti Austerity Alliance
Taxi Drivers would be Sinn Fein
Motorcyclists would be the Independents
Cleary the cyclist is an idiot. He accelerated when the taxi pulled ahead and continued to accelerate as the taxi decelerated. While there is blame on both parties, his approach to cycling is putting himself in even greater danger than he needs to be. Him cycling off into the red light sunset shows where his priorities are.
Reality though is that the black car to the right of the motorcyclist made the most dangerous move of all in the video.
And broken down ambulances would be Fine Gael.
Neither the bad-at-spelling motorcyclist (‘brakes’ is how you spell the things that stop cars) nor the driver of the black car at the end has the right to be in the bus lane.
There’s a good argument for taxis losing the right to use bus lanes, unless they actually have a fare-paying passenger at the time. It was sensible when there were far fewer taxis; it isn’t now.
Nobody’s actions give other totally different and separate people a bad name. That’s just stupid.
Motorbikes are allowed to use bus lanes.
There’s very few bus lanes motorcyclists can use, college green been one. Most bus lanes are off lanes but I’ve never heard of the gardai enforcing it.
No, but a motorcyclist can get a bus…. and the bus can use the Bus Lane (Lana bus)! :-)
Lycra dude should have gone right side of taxi when he was pulling in.
Silver taxi dude should have waited for window to pull out instead of forcing his way out which caused black taxi to brake.
Black taxi did cut up second cyclist and he might have been more justified in tapping on the window.
Black SUV moving in from right lane to left lane in front off, and on top off motorcyclist should not have been allowed to do that, this creates the pinch point that makes it difficult for Lycra cyclist to get right side off taxi.
Lycra dude gave taxi a thump, with the flat of his hand, no big deal, I’d imagine taxis are used to that.
Nothing to see here, move along.
If there is ‘nothing to see here’, then why did u write an essay on the subject.
According to a ‘Transport For Ireland’ app, that Taxi plate had no licenced driver registered to the vehicle, and the site cannot confirm that the driver is in fact licenced. Unlicensed taxi drivers…. who’d have guessed.
That’s a serious issue. Maybe that’s why he didn’t go after the cyclist for thumping his car; he didn’t want to draw attention to himself.
@ Kathy
You choose “vehicle licence”, not “driver licence”. He’s fully registered. You’re a boo boo for making this sort of claim without knowing how to actually look up the licence number.
Wish I had a penny for every time I see a cyclist breaking red light.
I have no lights and very few cyclists between my home and work any more.
It’s paradise
Erm…Admins?
standard Dublin cyclist, they’re all self entitled dangers to the roads causing the accidents they are involved in. Dublin needs a mandatory training program for cyclists.
standard Dublin [cyclist/motorcyclist/ pedestrian/courier/ rickshaw/car/ van/bus/ taxi/other driver], they’re all self entitled dangers to the roads causing the accidents they are involved in. Dublin needs a mandatory training program for [cyclist/motorcyclist/ pedestrian/courier/ rickshaw/car/ van/bus/ taxi/other driver]s.
Fixed that for you.
Has there every been a cyclist post on Broadsheet that scored less than 50 comments? It’s advertising gold.