At the weekend.

Rob Cross tweeted:

“This image [top] shows 4,810 private rooms and the 5,038 entire houses/apartments currently listed on Airbnb Dublin lettings. Airbnb is taking potential shared accommodation away from renters which increases rents, house prices and is adversely affecting housing crisis…”

Anyone?

Previously: ‘Hitting 10,000 Doesn’t Tell Us Anything That Hitting 9,000 Didn’t Tell Us’

31 thoughts on “Red Alert

  1. Rep

    While something needs to be done with Airbnb, thing like this don’t tell the whole story. My neighbours used to rent out their house a few weekends a year which would pay for their family holiday. They live there and have zero intention of taking a lodger. A lad up the road does the same with with a room in his gaff. They are not taking anything away from renters. That said, there is someone a road away who bought their neighbours house purely for airbnb which, to me, is mental and definately is taking away from renters/people trying to buy a house.

    The berlin (I think) legislation is a good idea where a licence is needed and houses/rooms are limited to a number of times per year.

    1. phil

      yes mine too , goes on holidays for 2 weeks, strangers stay for 2 weeks , thought it was the house swap thing but the neighbor explained AirBnB when I was talking to him …

      Seems to work out well for them

    2. George

      You’re in lala land if you think that’s what’s these numbers reflect.

      We have homeless people living in hotels and tourists renting out private housing.

      1. Rob_G

        It was always possible to rent out a room or rooms in your private dwelling if you wished to do s (B&Bs); it’s just that before AirBnB, there was no plaform to easily do this, and most people didn’t consider it worth the hassle.

        I think the AirBnB is a bit of a sideshow – if there were enough homes being built, the numbers of properties currently being rented out on AirBnB wouldn’t matter a damn.

        1. George

          B&Bs require planning permission and must be compliant with fire safety rules that do not apply to private homes.

          1. Rob_G

            If you live in a 3 bedroom house, and rent out two rooms on AirBnB, I don’t see how that would have any implications for fire safety that renting those same rooms out to lodgers would not.

          2. Dr.Fart MD

            so rob, in ur first comment you said air bnb wouldnt take up accom for people if houses were also being built. Your second comment said if you have 3 rooms and rented out 2 .. now, that contradicts your first comment. those two beds could be rented out to people who badly need somewhere to live.

    3. davali

      A simple solution is ten revenue inspectors looking at all the airb&b ads then sending in tax assessments
      To the landlords
      Also I am sure airb&b have an onus to cooperate with revenue to ensure tax is forthcoming
      Imam sure after a few tax demands are received quite a few properties might just suddenly become availible

  2. Stacey

    The impact on the availability of longterm Rental stock ie: students & the working population is limited to those ‘whole house & whole apartment’ rentals only. People who choose to intermittently let out a room in their own home while living there have no impact on this market. There is a marked difference between renting out a room in yr home on an intermittent 3 day basis & that of letting a whole property for months. No point in using a ‘carpet bomb approach’ which will only wipe out a home owners ‘free will’ to let out a room in their own home – a vast amount of whom use this income to susidise their home overheads. Research shows that many homeowners letting rooms in this ad hoc fashion need the income to survive. As we all know – you dont have to be homeless to be struggling with basic living expenses in this city. Many homeowners are a few steps frombeing homeless themselves. Its a ‘fine line’.

    1. George

      It’s not a fine line. If you want to rent out a room you can and there is a tax-incentive scheme for this. If you want to use your home to enter the hospitality sector because that brings in more money than renting to a tenant then you should expect to have to apply for change of use and to comply with the appropriate regulations on fire safety etc.

      1. davali

        Also i assume if someone that is renting airb&b has an accident in the home they will sue andvwhere will that stand with your insurance considering they are by a financial contract staying in your home
        Sure the insurance company will just pay out the thousands without fuss?
        Not On your Nelly

    2. Brother Barnabas

      how about people who are occupying way bigger properties than they need so as to profit from Airbnb?

      I know a guy who rents and lives (alone) in a 3-bed apartment in temple bar. he has the other two rooms on Airbnb, and tells me that the income covers the entire rent, cost of a cleaner plus all his bills – so he’s living for free, effectively. he moved into that apartment with the explicit intention of putting the two spare rooms on Airbnb. it’s not unusual.

      people renting out rooms in their own home isn’t as benign as generally claimed. whole thing needs to be looked at.

      1. Rob_G

        That’s the thing – if DCC had decided to zone large parts of the centre of the city for high-rise and there were 10 and 12 storey apartment blocks all over, there would be no housing crisis, and your friend renting out his rooms wouldn’t matter.

        The problem of the housing crisis is a lack of houses, not the fact that people are renting out rooms.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          yes and no

          you still have the issue of what are supposed to be residential buildings being turned into unsupervised hotels – and all the consequences that brings

          1. Rob_G

            On this, I 100% agree with you – I would be very miffed if an apartment in my building was being rented out to a different group of revellers each weekend. But if someone is actually living in an apartment and decides to rent out the rooms, it would be a very tricky thing to legislate against.

      2. Zaccone

        That sounds a pretty grim existence. Sharing your apartment with a constantly revolving door of strangers. And even worse, strangers who want to stay as close as possible to Temple Bar.

        1. Rob_G

          If you were living in a houseshare, you would paying money (probably a decent amount of money for Temple Bar) to live with a few people you may or may not like seven days a week – this person only has to share there flat two or three days a week, has it all to themselves during the week. If you were staying in your Ma’s or a girlfriend’s/boyfriend’s place sometimes over the weekend, could be a handy earner with little in the way of opportunity cost.

  3. A non-moose

    Airbnb is a half-baked idea that has been winging it from the start. The idea is good but it’s still barely more advanced than a web page with adverts of rooms to rent. The ceo of the company has been making it up as he goes along guessing at every turn from the start. Anyone that knows anything about the company knows they don’t care about customers, they don’t care about housing issues and frankly, they don’t even care about most of their own employees.

    It was the foreign direct investment scam that has Ireland’s tax payers paying these companies millions up front just to be in the country and many millions more with endless tax breaks and for what? All the money spent and still being thrown away just for them to hire and pay a small minority of workers, many of which they don’t even need. If you do the maths, Ireland get’s a fraction in return of what it is paying out or facilitating to be ripped off. It’s another ruse just to make government ministers look good in terms of fantasy economics and employment figures for the next election cycle.

    The “disrupter” badge of honour, like all the others in the past decade is nothing more than a cliche that nowadays even silicon valley types or anyone serious and intelligent would be embarrassed to talk about.
    The only disruption is in your hearsts and minds by the US state department who is backing these companies. It’s nothing new but it is important in order to stay relevent, in power and in control while spreading their age old brand of global corporatist anti-capitali
    st non-democracy.

    If their were real leaders in charge of policy in this country they would have put swift and if necessary, severe restrictions on the letting market and created incentives for landlords to rent out property for typically medium to long-term tenants until they get a grip on the housing crisis.

    Instead of even trying to get a grip, we have switched our focus to endure a bunch of opportunistic establishment narcissists from rte-land, blowing a load of hot air about taking over the symbolic role of leadership and democracy. You may as well let them all in at the same time and let them do what they like because this country, myself included and all of you deserve it. Farcical state of affairs.

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