This evening.
Dublin Castle, Dublin 2
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar meets Presidential candidate Peter Casey, whom he had urged voters to reject, at the Presidential count centre.
Earlier…
This afternoon.
Dublin Castle, Dublin 2
Meanwhile…
This afternoon.
Dublin Castle
From top: Liadh Ní Riada , Seán Gallagher with wife Trish, Joan Freeman and Gavin Duffy and wife Orlaith Carmody.
Earlier:
Peter Casey says he believes his gain in support during the presidential campaign has nothing to do with controversial comments he made about the Travelling community pic.twitter.com/B7FgPWAAEz
— RTÉ News (@rtenews) October 27, 2018
This morning.
National Convention Convention Centre, Dublin
Candidate Peter Casey (and wife Helen Casey, top right) arrives at the Presidential count centre as exit polls suggest he has received at least 21 per cent of First Preference votes.
Meanwhile…
This morning.
Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald at the National Convention Centre discuses the likelihood of her party losing its deposit.
Earlier:
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This morning.
Citywest Convention Centre, Saggart, Dublin.
Tellers collecting and counting ballot papers and votes in the Presidential election and the Blasphemy Law referendum.
More as they count them.
Last night: How You Voted
Meanwhile…
How many put @gemmaod1 ? You won’t report that though, will you. #Aras18 #marian pic.twitter.com/NoU53mC1VM
— AshbourneAnnie (@AshbourneAnnie) October 27, 2018
#marian pic.twitter.com/GNNddP8XBB
— Anne Marie (@amobeirne) October 27, 2018
Oh.
The shinners are very quite this morning, between 6-7% for what they all thought was a great candidate and someone who would surprise many, she surprised alright, but only in how bad she did. How humiliating. This is a disaster for Mary Lou, you can scrub the surface nice and clean, but you just can’t wash the stink from the core of your being.
She did average, out of a very average group.
That’s not really something worth gloating about.
it was a less than average group and she performed poorly
According to exit polls, she’s ahead of Freeman (which I’m very surprised by), Gallagher and Duffy.
So, by that measure she didn’t do too badly. Not that this means much, considering the percentage of the votes going to Higgins and Casey.
Casey creamed votes off SF. Some would have voted for Liadh because she would have been perceived as being the anti establishment candidate until Casey pulled a Trump. That is potentially quite an insight into why some vote SF generally.
with respect, soq, that’s speculative conjecture and guessing on your part
casey is closer to FG and, to a lesser extent, FF than anything else, so it’s more likely he took votes from gallagher and duffy
Fair point… a possible reasoning.
Sinn Fein waited so long to announce who they were running. How is a couple of weeks on the radio and telly supposed to persuade voters to vote for you? In saying that, I wanted to like Liadh, but I don’t find her very charasmatic.
I was really surprised how badly she did.
I was very impressed with her on the telly. She spoke well, didn’t lose her cool, and was generally ‘presidential’. I expected her to get a bump on the usual SF percentages.
But it looks like their core voters either didn’t go and vote (bad) or did vote, but it went to Casey!
Her slight on Freeman was far far from Presidential, it was typical SF pettiness.
Her hypocrisy on the AIW and MDH’s expenses was laid bare. Also she came across as insincere and opportunistic.
So, give us your professional opinion on why Freeman, so far anyway, is on less than O Riada. Or Duffy or Gallagher for that matter. What surface needs to be scrubbed for those candidates?
What surface needs to be scrubbed? Have you forgotten about the SF/IRA bombs, kneecappings and murders? Or are these not a issue for you?
She got very little attention due both to the lack of general interest in the election and Peter Casey hogging the headlines with moronic statements. The only conclusion to draw form this that the population of Ireland is about 20% lady gardens. This is probably lower than the global average but the OECD don’t measure this.
Lady gardens? What do you mean?
Fragrant, lush places where feminism runs rampant…
I didn’t read the initial comment.
The kind of place I like to be. For some time if at all possible.
Well said Armalite.
Happy Clamper here, that an ignorant muppet who claims IRA atrocities and the murdering of innocents were not terrorist actions, nor committed by terrorists.
It would have been a disgrace to have such a candidate hold the title of Supreme Commander of all Ireland’s forces.
Delighted with the hammering the Shinners took, truly delighted :)
Given Mary Lou pretty much forced this election on us, it’s an unmitigated disaster for her more so than the candidate herself.
Fair cop, for sure
If you don’t like Liadha running you should have lobbied your party – FG – to get Mairead McGuinness MEP to take her snout out of the Big Farmer EU welfare trough and run against her. Otherwise SU.
Redundant post. Establishment won.
The shinners were bounced into this election by Michael Martin. Clever move. MGH was always going to win. He has been an excellent president for the people. The angry people who voted Casey will, sadly, always be with us.
Not sure why people are so surprised that 20 per cent voted for an idiot like Casey.
20 per cent voted for FF after the crash. The place is full of fools
They don’t see themselves as fools , they see themselves as the good sensible people of Ireland . In my opinion , I dont think you can see yourselves as ‘good’ if you support a racist….
Id say some parties may well be plotting how to capture the immigrant/dole sponger/traveller voter in a sanitised way. Or we may see a new party campaigning on that platform next year.
Definitely. We will see hardline views creep in slowly and swipe the votes…and before we know Justin Barrett will be Taoiseach. A scary thought indeed.
That can only happen if we allow it. Complacency is the enemy. Always use your vote.
As bad as FF were/are, they have a lot of people who have long been loyal to them(and were never going to change) and there was a lack of clearly better options (either FG – not much different, Lab – seen as inept, SF – Boom! or other parties that are too small to even run candidates in every constituency) .
Neither of those apply to Casey.
A lot of FFers voted for Casey. They voted for Gallagher last time. A lot of FFers voted against equal marriage rights & repealing the 8th. You can always rely on a FFer to be regressive at the ballot box
Peter Casey says he believes his gain in support during the presidential campaign has nothing to do with controversial comments he made about the Travelling community
Must have been his warm approachable personality combined with his intellectual prowess and superior articulation skills so. Still, he got his deposit back so no harm done, sure it’s only a few travellers.
lol, that gave me a smile
People act like the vote for him is a rebuke against the status quo but his charisma-free mediocrity, incoherence and sheer disingenuousness make him an utterly bog-standard lower-order caricature of an Irish politician, just without a constituency or any actual political instincts.
he doesn’t
a candidate must get 25% to be reimbursed up to €200,000 (out of a maximum permitted spend of €750,000)
I think it is actually 25% of the quota – or 12.5% of the total poll.
I made this mistake earlier in the week.
I think it was the hair to be fair. Trying to work that just got out of bed look.
Casey’s voting numbers suddenly rocketed immediately after his Traveller/welfare slurs.
Ironically, the people who voted for him in the highest numbers lived in the areas with the highest uptake of welfare…
not ironic at all, living next to the welfare class and a few bad travellers would very much colour your opinion on such matters.
I call bullpoo! Where’d you get that from?
Claptrap by the sound of it, happy to be corrected if not tho…. but sure sounds like made up poo :)
Casey will be on a plane back to the US before his people get the SIPO form in.
He was willing to not take a salary, so I think he won’t give much of a damn.
He’ll go back to the states with “I came second in Ireland’s Presidential race” which will go down well with plenty of Irish-Americans.
And well worth the cost, I’d bet.
I don’t think that would have worked. Constitutionally he can’t receive any pay outside of the presidential salary.
True, just going on what he said early on in the race.
Was he willing to not take expenses, private jets, 5 star hotels, the €300k fund they all bitched about?
It was said, that he would be willing to, early in the race. It was dropped though.
My point was that if he could make such a claim, the cost of his running would be nothing to him.
He could have just been lying and would have took all the perks.
Higgins said he wouldn’t seek a second term.
We can all speculate, I honestly don’t care. I’m just mentioning what was said early in the campaign.
“That’s amazing!..Ireland has a President now?” – Americans
Yep.
And Casey will be introduced at many dinners full of rich Irish-American business heads as the man “who came second in the Irish Presidential race” …to big applause.
Whatever he spent on his campaign, it’d be a pittance to get the cred he’ll have for networking in the US from introductions like that… or so, I reckon.
Answer to American- Yes and luckily we don’t have one like yours.
SF/IRA made great achievements in this election, they managed to:
annoy the public
waste their own money
get humiliated
show they are ashamed of the SF/IRA logo
a great day if Ireland, well done everyone that doesn’t buy the SF silliness
Peter Casey has touched a nerve with his comments on the Traveller community, with RTE reporting areas with large numbers of Travellers, like Rathkeale in Limerick, giving Casey over 40%. As someone who was trying to sell a rural house a little while back, it was shocking when a number of vans and caravans moved into a narrow lay-by a short distance down the road. It took 9 months of dealing with the landowner and the local council to have them removed, and of course, I felt like a complete b- because where else are they going to go, especially in the current housing crisis. There wasn’t any huge amount of rubbish left behind and there was no trouble in terms of anti social behaviour or worse while they were there, but it was a huge relief the day they left. And the day after, the landowner installed blocks to prevent another occupation. This sort of thing has to change.This mightn’t touch a nerve in towns, but in rural areas, this sort of thing can be devastating. And while I never saw anything antisocial at all in the 9 months they occupied the lay-by down the road, I’m fairly sure it’s the reason why the house didn’t sell. It did sell shortly after they left. That’s an honest account.
That’s not to say the Travellers don’t need extra resources, extra compared to the settled community because they’re starting so far behind, but there needs to be some reform so you can’t just establish a camp where ever you see unoccupied land.
I voted for Liadh and Joan.
Some years ago some travellers called to my door looking for work. I had stuff to be done and it included clearing out a large shed. I told them to take anything in there they could use. Half a dozen times they asked me ‘are you sure?’ about certain items, like a spanner set owned by late father.
The other work done was first class but I got the feeling that they were just very grateful that someone trusted them, which is a real and very sad insight. All those men wanted was to do is earn a living and feed their families… are they so that different to the rest of us?
The people who say travellers are this and welfare claimants are that do not represent me and never will. I take people as I find them and if I have to choose between a rich expat cynically exploiting the most marginalised section of Irish society and travellers, I will choose travellers every single time.
Bon voyage, we’ll miss you, who are you again?
Unsurprising that the woke regulars on here like Look At Me SOQ are wetting their gussets at the prospect of Higgins winning.
As a bedfellow of Varadkar he ticks all their right boxes.
Casey’s remarkable rise in the vote is the real story.
Not the re-election of an establishment lackey lining his pockets at the taxpayers expense.
Really?
The story for me is the sudden seizure the Shinner momentum has suffered
And I don’t believe for a second it had anything to do with the poppy either
The wearing of a green poppy has been out here for years and it never rankled or kicked off
Maybe they took their vote for granted
That happened in a few spots in GE’16
The voters yesterday knew the incumbent wasn’t going to be threatened, so did an FU to the whole circus
BTW
Well done to the Irish Voter for putting Gallagher and Duffy exactly where they should be
SF didn’t do well as they were not able to tell their target demographic that ‘someone else will pay for it’, like they do in the general election. So only the true believers voted this time – hence the low numbers.
The real message here is not for the politicians, but for the media – RTE and The Irish Times. Deliberately ramping up identity politics opinion (not FACTS, Fintan or Una) has had some blowback it seems…. If it weren’t for the support of the property porn supplements you’d see a change of tack in Tara Street with their sub-80K print circulation and paywall turning off the millennial diaspora that the Aul Wan of D’Olier Street of old craves.
Da Meeedia is what it is. People just earning a living, except the certain journalist from The Irish News who trolls on here obviously, because he has it coming big-time.
Casey used RTÉ to announce his maybe pulling out. Then he used a column in the Sindo to relaunch his campaign. But yeah, MSM done him down.
Identity politics is great to complain about but not much good when the gay fella in Longford or Crossmaglen can’t get work now is it?
Mary lou is trying to reform the party. This Sinn Fein of old was concerned with the appealing to the working classes as well as Irish unity. Now Sinn Fein is concerned with empty identity politics and more and more failed Marxist like policies.
They are not far off the far left people before profit/solidarity parties when it comes to using victims to advance their political ideology. In recent times they have proven themselves to be the most European Unionist party in Ireland. That’s quite an achievement considering a decade ago there were regarded as very Eurosceptic.
Nowadays they stand for very little, they don’t want to break up the political establishment they want to join it. They paid for that.
Casey may well have employed some Trumpism like tactics but that doesn’t mean that what he said wasn’t true, it resonated with a lot of people. I would be very curious to see what Michael D voters put down as a 2nd choice (if they had one).
The low turn out brought out the illiberals…. it’s been said.
The same “illiberals” apparently who voted liberally on removing blasphemy it appears….. wuh-wuh! :)
Don’t fupping sub-comment me like a snitch but if you must don’t fuppng misquote me.
Don’t be such a cry baby, people can comment where they like. If you don’t want people to reply to you, don’t comment on the first place.
Did someone say something?
*looks around* nah, I must be imagining things.
Thought I heard someone use a silly phrase like sub commenting…
GUFFAW! :)
It’s almost as if I imagined people commenting on a public forum …on comments made publicly…. Like that’d be mad Ted!
I do remember, this one time, a commenter saying they were “compelled” to respond to others comments…. but that’s just silly now, in fairness. No one, not on this site, is compelled to do anything, they choose to do so, like choosing from a box of chocolates :)
What next, anti-fertility speech types or some such, who knows, eh ! :)
Awww nuts, that should’ve read… “anti-free speech” :)
Your passive aggressive smilies frighten the shoite outta me clamps.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you one way or the other re your comment, but oh my those smilies.
I was genuinely in stitches Millie, nothing passive aggressive about it… *chuckles*
Hah! Sorry about that – my bad!
One is a correction, and so you regard two as a multiple and a red flag issue….
That’s practically every regular commenter on here you reckon they all have red flag issues. No one will be able to respond to you now, and you’ll end up chatting to your self.. LOL!
Do you know what’s a proper red flag?
Multiple handle users pet :0p’
This was not a direct reply to the user short of money… haha!
More people voted against blasphemy than voted for Peter Casey – the no vote was 35.15%
Good thread on free-speech/blasphemy and consequently why our removal of blasphemy is not the real concern when the EU is already implementing more far reaching anti-free speech rules around such utterances….
https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1055934487115137024?s=19
I don’t have a problem with travelers and I was on social welfare in college, I voted for Casey because I thought it would be funny if he won.
The state really lucked out in providing you with a college education
Can we do it again please?
yes, i think we should, the result would be similar and the expense would be worth seeing SF/IRA humiliated again.
They could run someone more palatable…. then they could stack them all neatly in a warehouse of useless candidates.
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I’ll get me good coat, it’s Sunday.
Mary Lou got a lesson in real politic. They will learn. I was totally against this election. It’s a largely titular position and if the job was done well we shouldn’t have to go through the expense of another. That said, a lot of lessons learnt by lots of parties. And I’m happy to have a president who sends Christmas cards with a mother breastfeeding her baby.
Well said Cú
the real politic though was that SF forced a competitive election.
It wasn’t competitive, SF were slaughtered.