A Spaniard In The Works

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Spanish PM renews veto threat against draft Brexit deal (FT)

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22 thoughts on “A Spaniard In The Works

  1. Neilo

    Sanchez would be better employed securing the creaking foundations of his own country before haranguing the British over their overseas territory which consistently votes by crushing majority to retain the existing arrangements.

  2. Ollie Cromwell

    Sanchez gained power in Spain in June by successfully ousting the larger centre-right People’s Party in a confidence vote, without an election.
    Even with fragile confidence and supply arrangements his Socialist Party does not command a consistent majority in the Chamber of Deputies.
    And there are regional elections coming up in Spain in just a few months.
    More ‘hole than olé

  3. millie st murderlark

    I admit to not having read up on this end of things so far but it seems mightily like the Spanish are just piping up with their objections now to give a sweet FU to the Brits.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      not really. at the very beginning, britain agreed that it would consult with spain before cementing any trade relationship between the UK and Gibraltar. this was agreed in the first week of the negotiating process.

      reference to this agreement was removed from this week’s document

      spain is entirely justified

      perfidious albion once again

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Some more useful info.
        The people of Gibraltar were given a referendum in 2002 on whether Spain and the UK should share sovereignty of the rock.
        17,900 said No.
        Just 187 people said Yes.
        That’s 98.97% v 1.03%.
        That’s all you really need to know .

          1. Brother Barnabas

            I was going to say ‘back of the net, bisted’ but I recalled your aversion to sporting references

            so, eh, good point

          2. Ollie Cromwell

            Rather like Northern Ireland there was no option in the referendum for Gibraltar’s vote to be anything other than part of the overall mandate.
            And no options for a French person of short stature to force another vote.
            Welcome to democracy.

  4. GiggidyGoo

    Spain doesn’t have a veto on this but would have a veto on the likes of future trade deals as far as I understand it.

    1. Joe Small

      The EU rarely votes but usually reaches a consensus. If a consensus can’t be reached than a vote can be taken but Member States constantly do the complicated Qualified Majority Voting (QMV) mathematics as they go along so they know if they’ve got a blocking minority or not.
      Presidents Tusks and Juncker will only go so far to bring the Spanish on board but if the Spanish really dig in, a vote may be called.

  5. Ollie Cromwell

    Some more useful info.
    The people of Gibraltar were given a referendum in 2002 on whether Spain and the UK should share sovereignty of the rock.
    17,900 said No.
    Just 187 people said Yes.
    That’s 98.97% v 1.03%.
    That’s all you really need to know .

  6. Ollie Cromwell

    Interesting polling from Lord Aschroft’s polling organisation on Brexit,2nd referendum and the best PM.
    Labour voters,Remainers as a whole,and Conservative Leavers all favour rejecting the Withdrawal Agreement even in the face of unknown consequences.
    Only Tory Remainers want to accept it.
    Trouble lies ahead for whatever party fails to deliver a proper Brexit with Lord Nigel of Farage waiting in the wings for a triumphant comeback to scupper the next election.
    Good times.

    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft

    1. Brother Barnabas

      so varadkar is playing politics – albeit taking some risks in doing so – to defend his country’s interests.
      what a phucking idiot, eh?

      [liam halligan is a pub bore who talks a lot of cliched sh 1te – and when he’s not talking sh1 te, he just gets it wrong:
      “Varadkar leads a minority government in need of support from Irish nationalists. He has an incentive to make the Brits sweat.”
      are these irish nationalists like shane ross and katherine zappone? or is he referring to the arrangement with the opportunists and populists on the opposition benches? either way, sheer inanity]

      1. You know it's true

        My favourite line on the Brexit negotiations came from Yanis Varoufakis, (ex-finance minister of Greece, so he knows what he’s talking about), recently on BBC’s Newsnight.
        He said ”Britain is like someone who killed both of their parents and is looking for leniency because now they’re an orphan.”
        Funny because it’s true.

    2. ReproBertie

      No, he really doesn’t. It’s just the usual misinformation trying to downplay the border.

      Some of the glaring stupidity on display includes “Varadkar leads a minority government in need of support from Irish nationalists” and “Ireland’s somewhat limited cross-border trade” and even a quote from Ray Bassett without a mention of him founding the political joke that is the Irexit party.

  7. Ollie Cromwell

    I love it when a high-achieving offspring of an Irish Catholic family winds up the keyboard warriors on a break from their muck-spreading duties on the farm.
    The envy is palpable.
    Heh,heh,heh.

    1. ReproBertie

      Replying to a post to point out the nonsense being touted is not the same as being wound up. It’s more of a wry shake of the head at the poster’s naivety and the inability to distinguish between wishful thinking and reality which has become so characteristic of the Sasamach fan.

      1. Brother Barnabas

        it’s charger’s default tactic when his bullpoo is exposed

        “haardy-harr, gotcha… triggered”

        he’ll feel awfully deflated if the day ever comes that he realises he’s eliciting nothing beyond a jaded eye-roll at this stage

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