Calling Out Around The World

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Doha, Qatar

London, England

Melbourne, Australia

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

Sydney, Australia

Wish you were here?

Messages of support for for tomorrow’s nurses’ and midwives’ strike from Irish nurses around the world, asking “for a reason to come home”.

Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation (INMO) President Martina Harkin Kelly said:

“I’m proud and humbled by the support of our nursing and midwifery colleagues around the world. Globally, our nurses and midwives are standing up for safe staffing, fair pay, and for our patients, who deserve better care. That’s what Wednesday’s strike is all about.

I’m touched and saddened by their core message “give us a reason to come home”. Ireland’s public health service does not pay a competitive wage, meaning many of Ireland’s brilliant nurses and midwives are forced to look overseas to secure fair pay and safe conditions.”

Earlier: Talks About Talks

Thanks Beibhinn Dunne

45 thoughts on “Calling Out Around The World

  1. dav

    Blushirts won’t like this, especially when they have to blow 2 billion on a mis-managed children’s hospital

      1. Eoin

        + €6 billion (a year) on defence spending – 2% of GDP of €300bn.

        Compared to <€1 billion today.

        1. Cian

          1. That will never happen. We will never spend 2% of GDP on defence.
          2. (and if it does) it will only happen if there is a “united” Ireland and we need to send troops to Belfast & Derry.

  2. dhaughton99

    Eamon Dunphy has a repeat of his fantastic interview with a Beaumont hospital A&E nurse on his podcast today. Really worth the listen.

  3. Cian

    I wonder would all these nurses come home if the nurses got their 15% pay-rise? Is it really that simple?

    1. Fact Checker

      Not in the slightest.

      In fact I am quite sure that non-EEA nurses are still coming to Ireland because of the high pay. In 2018 alone 3,640 work permits were issued for non-EEA citizens to work in the ‘medical and nursing’ sector

      These Irish ladies (and they are mainly ladies) are generally having a nice time in a sunny place while they are young.

      1. millie st murderlark

        That’s a nice way to stereotype the nurses who all emigrated for a number of reasons and to brush the reasons they did leave aside as being frivolous and unimportant.

      2. Lilly

        Oh please. No woman has a ‘nice time’ in places such as Saudi. They have gone to try to save money, to try to put a roof over their heads in this dysfunctional isle.

    2. McVitty

      I doubt it but you’ll get shot for suggesting the picture is muddy on closer inspection…

      Salary in Ireland appears to be ~EUR40k per year plus benefits with overtime potential for an experienced nurse – not bad by comparison: https://www.careeraddict.com/top-5-countries-with-the-highest-paid-salaries-for-nurses

      Another source: http://creativenurse.com/nurse-salaries-from-high-to-low-around-the-world/
      “Average wages per hour based on a 2080-hour work year were $25.96 for Denmark, $26.92 for Australia, $30.77 for Ireland, $33.65 for the US and $39.42 for Luxembourg.”

      They have effectively emigrated for more reasons than salary but aren’t being as honest as they should.

      More likely they’ll come home to vote yes next time we have a civic referendum…

  4. Fact Checker

    Ireland is a rich country, but it is not a *very* rich country.

    Nursing is a global labour market. Ireland cannot afford to pay nurses the wages that pertain in very rich countries.

    Nurses abroad have also benefitted from big taxpayer expense on their university education in Ireland.

    I find this a little hard to take.

      1. Fact Checker

        The London picture appears to show less than a dozen Irish nurses bothered to complain.

        Wages and taxes are similar in the UK (as, like Ireland, it has a big social welfare system) so my point is obviously about the further-flung destinations.

  5. Rob_G

    Ireland’s nurses are already among the highest-paid in the OECD, and now they want to be as well paid as nurses in mega-rich petro-state Qatar :/

  6. Andrew

    Whatever the arguments on whether Irish Nurses pay is high or not, it’s the cost of living and quality of life. Not much point in being paid €60k or whatever if you have to drive 2 hours to work and have a jumbo mortgage for a semi-d in the midlands. Fupp that!
    The cost of living and in particular housing is the main issue. Property is sucking money out of everything and will again drag the country back down with it.
    A pay rise will not change any of the above

    1. Worlds Biggest Ranter

      Couldn’t agree more. If anything more public sector pay rises will only fuel the fire worse. The bit that always gets me is they knew exactly what they were getting in to before they signed up. I’m sorry if I’m sounding unsympathetic to this cause here but we’re all in the same boat. Playing the essential worker card don’t cut it either, Bin men are essential workers. People who drive vans delivering nappies to old folks homes are essential workers. Where does it end! Why don’t we just pay everyone more than the going rate.

    2. Cian

      I totally agree.

      We need to concentrate on fixing the housing mess – not throw money at public/civil servants.

    3. Junkface

      The cost of living in Ireland is the real problem, next to housing, childcare costs, insurance gouging.

      But if you are training generations of nurses to just leave every year, then you have systematic problem also.

  7. Worlds Biggest Ranter

    Come home! Would ya stop. Come home if ya want to. Otherwise stop yer whinging and get on with your extended – better paid – world tour. Dont worry, we who stayed at home have – by now – picked up most of that tab for your training. Send us a post card will ya. #AlwaysSomeoneElseToBlame

    Just as an add on to that. Don’t they always say nursing is supposed to be “A Vocation” Yeah vocation so long as it’s in some of the best paying parts of the planet it looks like according to those pictures. We’ve enough moaners here thanks.

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      Isn’t public representation a “vocation” too? Let’s swap the pay nurses get with TDs and senators (including the generous expenses regime)and see how vocational politics would be.

  8. Dhaughton99

    Just slightly off topic but the other half ended up going to Tallaght A&E last Saturday at 1 in the morning for a suspected arm fracture. Dreading what we would see and have to go through while going up in the taxi, it turned out to be fine. Triaged, X-ray, cast put on and out the door in 3 and a half hours. Was expecting Sodom and Gomorrah, turned out quite pleasant.

    1. Worlds Biggest Ranter

      The Problem arises if you actually need a bed on a ward. Then you get to stay in a corridor for nine milenia. Bandage and glue job is a piece of wee

  9. Murtles

    Stay where ye are folks, this country is rotten to the core all ye’ll get is double your hours for half your pay.
    Plus the weather’s crap :)

  10. Catherine costelloe

    My student nurse relative on her 4th and final year will be working in a hospital doing shift work and get paid over 7 euro an hour. When qualified her pay will be 14 euro an hour. That’s not well paid considering she has 4 years of college completed. My recently qualified primary school teacher relative pay is 26 euro an hour. No shift work, every Christmas/New Year off and long summer holidays. Clearly , the pay system is nuts.

    1. Cian

      It isn’t fair to compare hourly rates for teachers v nurses.

      A nurse will earn extra money for shift-work, working Christmas, overtime, etc. A teacher gets a set wage.

      If they both do a year’s work – how much are they earning? (and what is the impact of the work on their personal lives)

  11. George

    While the working conditions are bad so I this slogan.

    Yeah, you were forced to live in Saudi Arabia…right.

  12. RuilleBuille

    I believe working conditions (and accommodation) are bigger causes for departure than wages.

  13. Kim the Cardassian

    What nonsense. Excusing London, I don’t believe any of those people in other countries have any real desire to come home unless they have fallen on hard times. Better paid, better standard of living and better weather. Its not like leaving Ireland meant they’ve forced to work in a labour camp in North Korea.

    These will be the same people that will come back and then write an opinion piece for one of the broadsheets, (like they do every December), saying Ireland hasn’t welcomed them with open arms and they are leaving again.

    As long as they have someone to send them their Tayto crisps and their Barry’s Tea so they can put up fake nostalgia posts in their instagram, they’re grand where they are.

    1. Rich Uncle Skeleton

      “I don’t believe any of those people in other countries have any real desire to come home unless they have fallen on hard times.”

      Great to see you’ve started off with an open mind.

  14. Ian-O

    Nice to see the usual two or three blueshirt morons trying to pull the debate off topic.

    Same ones think Leo ‘soulless’ Varadkar is worth it.

    Hilarity ensues.

  15. Eoin

    Jebus, look at the crowd in Sydney, which is presumably a small subset of the total number of Irish nurses in Oz. Are they all nurses who have been educated and trained in Ireland? What a disgraceful waste.

    Fair play to the Irish nurses for standing their ground, especially if the ultimate concessions encourage just some of these nurses to return home.

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