This afternoon.
Dublin city centre
Scenes from the Raise the Roof march to protest the housing crisis from from Parnell Square to O’Connell Street followed by a rally outside the GPO featuring performers including Damien Dempsey (above).
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In all fairness at the cost of building in this country and the scandals can you actually imagine the full cost of building these homes?
Also if they cannot deliver a public project in time and within budget do we really have to hear as the newspapers report billion after billion flushed down the toilet
Can you imagine in all honesty where the money is going to come from?
We are already servicing a debt thanks to the crash of over 200 billion
Maybe its time the EU were in charge of delivering homes and our budget contribution is increased to pay for it
But of course the EU would have to be the only ones to do this
Sad to say this is the reality and I just wonder how many geniuses that marched have one iota of how housing can be achieved in this country unless of course the costs to build are slashed
I would reckon to house the homeless at the present cost in this country of building we are talking at least FORTY BILLION
Maybe a better option is taking all the vacant property built and held onto by the banks in lieu of what they owe the taxpayer
“I would reckon to house the homeless at the present cost in this country of building we are talking at least FORTY BILLION’
At 10k homeless, that would be €4 million per person. Probably wouldn’t be that high.
They should of course be looking at reducing land costs by building on state lands, refurbishing state owned property and clamping down on hoarding, taxing vacant sites etc.
Seriously when we hear about broadband the children hospital and Shane ross the world is your oyster
Have we not let the penny drop
When it comes to modern day Ireland leave your wallet on the street
Well it would cost 3 billion to build 10,000 houses in Dublin. . We know that about a third are children so that brings us down to less than 2 billion. Not all homeless people are in Dublin so that further reduces the cost. Additionally single people don’t need houses they need apartments which are cheaper to provide. So that further reduces the cost.
Annual spending on homelessness by local authorities in Dublin alone is something in the region of 150million per year.
Also 16% of cost is tax which the state retains which further reduces the cost and that does not include the VAT paid on the building materials.
True. But some of the €150m comes back as income tax too.
So if they stop housing the homeless for 10 years they could afford to buy them all houses.
Listening to a segment on the telly about a weir in county cork
Previous time it was repaired it was 350 grand and the council thought it would cost only 750 grand
It needs repairing and the estimate 1.5 million has been quoted and the council cannot even get a breakdown of that quote
Sorry its not just Dublin its any place in our country
As for 16%tax its nothing compared to the tax charged to every business
Seems George you are clutching at straws
We just do not have the money so alternatives to building must be the order of the day
Modular units might be the way to go on council sites but not ones fixed ones like mobile home parks that are dotted all around tourist spots
wait has David body snatched Nige ?
it’s not the cost of building is the problem, it’s the price of land in Ireland, this is where our government could tackle the housing crisis. if we made land (especially in urban areas) less of an asset, through taxation. then it could release more land for building. but that would be an attack on the vested interests and unfortunately I do not see that happening
this.
Potted history of the subject
https://www.oireachtas.ie/ga/debates/debate/dail/2018-07-03/34/
There is plenty of state owned land which could be made available right now. Half of Infirmary road up from the criminal courts is lying idle for a start.
And then there is Diageo, the British multinational alcoholic beverages company, with its headquarters in London, England who hold more empty m2 space in the city centre of Dublin than any other.
Walk from Christchurch to James hospital late at night to see how vast that land parcel is please- absolutely disgraceful- shove your Guinness.
Seriously, what sort of a dose goes around with a scarf around their face at a march for affordable housing…
True for you, Bobby.
So much more valid to sit behind a screen and snark at someone out protesting about a crisis in the provision of a basic human need.
Well, it’s a bit silly to carrying on like that when all the other photos show smiling older ladies and kids in buggies now, isn’t it?
Three thousand children, citizens of our country, are bedding down in hotel rooms tonight. It’s utterly ridiculous to think that two people out on a protest march would “carry on like that”. If only they had shown their faces then the shower of inept oxygen thieves currently sitting their ample behinds at the government cabinet table would have been automagically empowered and gifted with the skills to sort this crisis out.
If only the marchers on the protest got it.
That is exactly the situation sadly the reality is we cannot do anything
Just look at insurance and anything our government is in charge of
Children hospital national broadband and what other horror stories are in the pipeline of public spending
Lets face it technology advances leaps and bounds and we bury cables in the ground
5g 6g 7g where satellite technology is the future
It reminds me of the film other peoples money when they talk about buggy whips
So you focused on one photo to comment on negatively and misrepresented it to do so. That was the take away Rob? Of course, you think getting rid of Murphy would “do nothing” so what’s the point. Yourself and Cian are a double dose of dickhead so clearly disconnected from the issue.
How did I misrepresent them? I said they were doses for masking their faces at a (peaceful) protest in a free and democratic country – I’ll say it again.
‘you think getting rid of Murphy would “do nothing”’
– what do you think the immediate effect of replacing Murphy with some other FG TD would be?
“Yourself and Cian are a double dose of dickhead… – when arguments and rhetoric fails, there are always childish insults to fall back on…
Mickey
If taxes were raised to pay for the solution these same people would be out like the yellow vests screaming
All I see is left wing wingers who think money grows on trees
Its a feel good experience for them
And since when is it a basic human right to have a family you cannot support without state aid and a home while others work like dogs and some even decide if I cannot afford children I will not have them
Nigel, please feel free to get back to me when you’re able to reconstruct all of that into a lucid statement or question of some sort.
It is lucid
Point is why should taxpayers fork out for those who want loads of kids and cannot support them?
It sounds mean but lets face it its a valid question
Bit like someone buying a home they cannot afford and expecting to be allowed to keep it without paying the mortgage
Many lived beyond their means and if banks would of done due diligence then mortgagee would not of been granted during the boom plus no boom we would have an affordable housing situation like the days when interest rates were around 18% and those who could afford mortgagee with that rate of interest paid around forty grand for a home and values of homes went up by a maximum of 4%per
The cold hard unpalatable truth is cheap money created the mess we are in and no control ensured we ended up in this situation and we have learned SFA
The bust left the country in the state it’s in by a free for all and no control
You tell me how the hell a country of our size can actually service the debt of over 200 billion and have a society where everyone lives the life of Riley
Now we are all paying for it
Sounds mean but its valid
Right.
That’s all very interesting, but what does it have to do with the lack of effective government response to the housing crisis?
That’s not regular Nigel – that’s The Return of david.
Ah.
Probably don’t want to be instantly recognisable when trying to rent their next place with a hundred or so other desperate hopefuls.
Well, if they’d taken the precaution of making better lifestyle choices they’d not only be homeowners themselves, they’d be members of the investor class and have a suitably impressive portfolio of property on let.
They really have only themselves to blame.
Oh you had me for a second. I was all set to fire off a steaming riposte but then I caught myself.
Well played, good sir
I almost bit too!
That’s an Asian lady who doesn’t want to inhale any fumes.
Not very clever holding a flare in hand if she has that much problem with fumes.
Not very clever wearing a helmet cycling.
Not very clever wearing a mask welding.
Not very clever wearing sunglasses in the sun.
You’re not very clever bo are you?
Protecting themselves from the smoke.
There is an absolute and definite disconnection between those who just want a modest home they can call their own and those who sign off on 6 billion for a hospital and delivery of broadband.
It’s the theory of the moochers is what I call it.
One of the points the Luddites made was that once you moved people off the land to man the machines
what do they do when the machines stop? They have no plot and a cow and a pig.
They live in a box. Generations of unemployed and lower level criminals scorned for having nothing. Now we have immigrants and they’ll be all moochers too, taking our jobs (that we would do but you couldn’t pay us enough ;)
I’m not an agrarian fantasist though, I’m just pointing out that we didn’t answer the Luddites’ point.
Welll done to these protestors, getting out there, trying to make a difference, giving of their time and resources. Well done to Damien Dempsey and other performers for giving of their time and supporting this movement. This issue is 10 years old now and still the government has done nothing except waffle and obfuscate. This government is directly and indirectly responsible for most of the societal issues we face and if you vote FF or FG you are perpetuating that abuse on our citizens. Governments are there to serve people, not the other way around, vote to remove FF and FG and give actual democracy a chance. Some disappointing comments on this thread today. If they had put resources into solving this problem 10 years ago it would not be the monumental issue it is now. When they eventually have to address it, it will take tens of billions and there will be the usual suspects hoping to get a slice. Enough already.