Meanwhile, In Washington DC

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Charging Trump was not an option, says Robert Mueller (BBC)

55 thoughts on “Meanwhile, In Washington DC

  1. johnny

    this…
    “In his chapter on Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election, Wolff says there was a draft version of a three-count criminal indictment against President Donald Trump as early as March 2018. He says the three charges (under Title 18 of the federal code Sections 1505, 1512 and 1513) did not stem from the Russian interference itself but from Trump’s efforts to thwart the investigation.

    Wolff links this draft to Mueller’s deputy Andrew Weissmann and reports that Mueller let it languish for nearly a year while preparing his own report, ultimately deferring to a longstanding Justice Department policy that a president could not be indicted while in office. Wolff says he got a look at the draft, and other related memoranda regarding that no-indictment policy, from “a source close to the Office of Special Counsel.”

    https://www.npr.org/2019/05/29/727724850/michael-wolffs-new-trump-tell-all-siege-stars-steve-bannon-and-cast-of-no-names

  2. johnny

    The ‘best’ review of the Muller report is arguably by Republican Justin Amash – @justinamash.

    “Barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president’s false narrative to the American people. This will continue if those who have read the report do not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth.”

    https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1133410149996146688

    1. George

      He is probably just going to say he didn’t draw up papers to indict Trump as Michael Wolff has claimed.

    1. Nigel

      ‘I used to think the Mueller report exonerated Trump.but now I’m worried about Flint, Michigan.’

        1. Nigel

          My name is jusayinlike and my gloating victory lap celebrating Mueller’s exoneration of Trump is the most embarrasingly premature I’ve ever been.

          1. jusayinlike

            My name is Nigel, and my support for a hysterical baseless conspiracy which led nowhere has handed Trump 2020.

          2. Nigel

            Yes my personal interest in the subject of US politics will ensure a Trump victory! You have amazing delusions of my grandeur.

  3. George

    “If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.”
    “there were multiple systematic efforts to interfere in our election and that allegation deserves the attention of every American”.

    1. Termagant

      “If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.”
      But that’s not the role of a prosecutor

      1. George

        I’m going to take it that Robert Mueller understood his role better than Termagant.

          1. George

            The title is special counsel. He had the power to prosecute and he had the freedom to write in his report if he felt the evidence indicated there was no crime.

          2. Termagant

            The role can also be referred to as Special Prosecutor. In fact if you look up Special Counsel on wikipedia the page is titled Special Prosecutor. It comes with power to investigate and if necessary prosecute a sitting president, nothing else. It’s not a judicial position, it can’t ascribe guilt or innocence, all it can do is either prosecute or not prosecute. Sounds a lot like a……

          3. George

            Incorrect. The role is to investigate a case where there is a conflict of interest for the usual prosecuting authority. This may or may not be a president.

            They changed the name from special prosecutor and that title does not exist.

            If a special council chooses not to prosecute they have every right to say “I do not believe a crime has been committed and there is no case to answer” but Mueller is not prepared to make such a statement.

  4. rotide

    “there were multiple systematic efforts to interfere in our election and that allegation deserves the attention of every American”

    Where’s all the usual suspects to tel us that there was no russian interferance?

    1. jusayinlike

      Editor and his hysterical baseless conspiracies. What’s your favourite flat earth theory?

      1. rotide

        “Hysterical baseless conspiracy theories ” from the man that claims to be a rocket engineer who says that the mom landings were faked

    2. ReproBertie

      I was under the impression that Russian interference was a given but that it was done with Humpty’s knowledge hence the “no collusion” despite numerous meetings with various Russians but then I believe in the moon landings so what do I know.

      1. Nigel

        Round these parts Russian interference is a hysterical baseless flat earth moon-landings were fake conspiracy, to some.

        1. class wario

          i think some of the more fanciful talk from liberal types about the whole russian collusion stuff was a bit hysterical if we’re being honest. as was the hero worship of mueller. i think focusing on it will go down as a big tactical fumble from them.

          I think the take that Russian bad actors interfered with the presidential race over a period of time is acceptable, not sure i really buy that trump was twirling his metaphorical moustache and masterminding it all the while. I mean, I think we need to appreciate that Trump is extremely stupid.

          1. realPolithicks

            trump doesn’t need to have been the “mastermind” behind the collusion, he simply needs to have “been aware” of it.

          2. Nigel

            Nothing the liberals were supposed to be saying about Mueller, however fanciful, could possbly match the do-wah-lally-day bonzo kabinga technicolour stupid vomit sprayed by Trump supporters and other Q adherents.

    3. f_lawless

      Seems to me the height of gullibility to accept evidence-free assertions from figures with a track record of disseminating false information to the US public

      *cough* Saddam’s WMDs See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0CfAh2PJ6k *cough*

      Meanwhile you have the work of former high-ranking US intelligence officials, turned whistle blowers (led by former Technical Director of the NSA, William Binney) who have forensically examined the metadata attached to the Wikileaks’ DNC emails and concluded that the emails were not hacked but downloaded locally to an external storage device.( Worth remembering that Wikileaks reputation for only releasing authentic material is immaculate in all the years its been in operation and no credible challenge has ever been mounted against that aspect of what they do)
      https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/13/vips-muellers-forensics-free-findings/

      I guess some people’s brains are just wired to always want to trust the word of those in authority and find it disconcerting to consider otherwise even when it flies in the face of the available evidence?

      1. Nigel

        I mean we have people here who believe Trump and Q so what the hell are you on about.

        1. italia'90

          And Novihoax, and please don’t don’t forget the Skripals.
          We’re still waiting to see the evidence.
          While I’ve no doubt that Russia did some minor interference in the 2016 cmpaign,
          they did not hack the DNC servers. That smear has been debunked by so many already.
          The expelled Russian diplomats lawyered up and went to court to fight their indictments by Mueller.
          He wasn’t expecting that, so he has been doing his best to have them sealed by the court.
          Why would he do that?

          At the end of the day, I hope they can get Trump on tax fraud or financial crimes, but this whole Russia collusion narrative is a giddy distraction. Also, I hope the debate finally turns to what was done to Bernie Sanders in the primaries by the Dems to interfere in the democratic process. Have a look at their behaviour in California right now. The progressive Democrats are being robbed/cheated by corporatist Democrats in the electoral college elections.

          *We’re still here Rotide.
          ** Still awaiting the evidence.

          1. Nigel

            It wasn’t debunked in the Mueller report, nor was Russian interference minimised, and whether it’s a corporatist or a progressive Democrat that gets the nomination, the potential for further Russian interference might not be a distraction at all but a real threat, along with gerrymandering and voter supression, the sorts of assualts on democratic freedoms, disproprtionately aimed at the poor, and at poor people of coour, that obviously pale into significance next to somone getting a few debate topics in advance or whatever it was.

          2. rotide

            You’ll be waiting a long time. Nothing anyone says will dissuade you from your pet theories. just stick to the blogs that tell you you’re right and everything will be alright pal

          3. jusayinlike

            Editor, you’re the one peddling the baseless conspiracy theory. As you did with Novi hoax..

            You slavishly parrot any official line fed to you.

            Nigel, did any state department body analyse the DNC servers?

          4. ReproBertie

            With all the European election stuff I wasn’t paying attention. Have the Clintons been arrested for running a child abduction ring yet?

          5. italia'90

            As usual Rotide, you have nothing to contribute, especially facts.
            You’re about as impactful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.

            If anybody’s interested in reading about how Bernie Sanders got stiched up by Hilary and how Trump got to be prez, I’ve linked an excellent facts based article from Medium.com below.

            https://medium.com/@lilraptor40/the-case-of-election-rigging-against-bernie-sanders-76c22a13e597

            tl;dr?

            “We have established above that there was clear collusion with the media and the Clinton Camp, with internal emails showing that there is a real possibility that Trump was elevated as a Pied Piper candidate in collusion with the media. That the Chair of the DNC Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and major DNC members were clearly biased towards a single campaign. They were forced to resign when their bias was revealed in the confirmed legitimate WikiLeaks DNC and Podesta Email releases. Then there was the Joint Fundraising Agreement made by Rep. Wasserman Schultz and DNC CEO Amy Dacey that gave the Clinton campaign control of key organizational processes including hiring and communications. Which ensured the DNC was staffed by Clinton supporters before the primary had even began. Rep. Wasserman Schultz’s position allowed her to oversee and control almost every facet of the primary process. She was able to use her official position as the head of the DNC to manipulate the actions, policies, and staff to ensure the result of the primary was that Secretary Hillary Clinton secured the Democratic Party nomination no matter what. All of this was decided before the primary even began.”

  5. :-Joe

    Russiagate is a complete hoax, democrats are wallowing in denial and have already handed Trump the 2020 election that he’s been camaigning for since less than a month after he was elected in 2016.

    Look at campaign financing as the true indicator for predicting the next elected president.

    Trump already has over 200 million dollars from donations of less than 200$.

    Democratic party elites are just as bad the republican far right extremists destroying the enviroment and the planet for their three pieces of silver, it’s just that they’re on the opposite and extreme end of the moral spectrum. Same as the F-f/g binary choice illusion of democracy party, red vs blue, left vs right nonsense…

    :-J

    1. Nigel

      Absolute horsedroppings. Only one of the parties in the US offers any hope of being moved to an increasingly more environmentally proactive position. Obama was a centre right Democrat, but Trump and the Republicans are rollling back rakes of protective laws and rules he put in place – and not just environmental, but consumer and financial. You’ll also notice that only one party is pushing for campaign finance reform and one party is in favour of throwing thousands of poor and marginalised voters off the register. Democrats are a pain in the backside, but the gulf between them and Republicans is fecking vast.

      As for Trump’s campaign fundraising – I’d be more worried about that if he weren’t busy shovelling as much of it as he can into his own personal coffers. It’s the gerrymandering and the voter supression and the relentlessly stupid media coverage that’ll win it for him, along with the Russian interference.

      1. :-Joe

        Obama was worse than Bush on many issues, murder death kill of innocent people through seven different wars being the main failure of his gross inhumanity.

        If you think the democrats are more than slightly better than the republicans then you’re deluded as they appear better to your instincts of social justice, equality and fairness based on a personal perception of morality.

        If the democrats were any kind of decent party Bernie Sanders would have run and beat trump and all the real problems that the real democratic party will never fix would have been up for debate and some would have been tackled.

        Joe Biden vs Trump in the next election and Trump winning will show you how corrupt the democrats have always been. The good cop and the bad cop, left vs right nonsesnse will be laid bare for all to see yet again but you’ll all be distracted again with whatever three card monty flavour of the election cycle comes up next time.

        Russia meddles in everything almost as much as the UK but nowhere near what the US does because ‘murica is the only superpower at the moment, with china growing steadily bhind in second place.

        Russia is doing all kinds of weird hacking campaigns and experiment like everyone else but it did not directly influence the campaign or the vote. It is very simple to prove this, why was trump so suprised when he won?

        Russia gate is just a tool to manipulate the medium and deal with assange, chelsea manning etc and other unwanted interferences.

        Cambridge analytica had more to do with messing with and influencing the elections than the russians did directly but the fact that you will argue back really shows the power of legacy lies and propaganda.

        Trump is a random wildcard and the deep state industrial military complex used this “russiagate” nonsense to reel him back in and gain some leverage over him and he is complying to a certain extent, at least on what the hawks like bolton and pompeo want him to say and do geo-politically.

        Trump is obsessed with his own ego and wants to stay in power, and in his case he will need even more money and support from whoever he can get it from. Mercer, Bannon and Stone etc have not even publicly started ramping up the system of his new campaign and winning donations from big business.

        It’s actually lobbyists at the core of the US political and election system that are causing the most damage, after that it’s gerry-mandering, voter suppression and various other malevolant and criminal acts to control the result vote.

        The candidate with the biggest campaign financing from donations small and huuUUAAAGGE from billionaires and coprporations like Mercer for trump/bannon/stone last time out and others like the cock-heed brothers will decide the race that the deluded eejits(the public in their eyes) get to vote on.

        You’re thinking about and commentating on a fake wrestling boxing match while there is a real riot going on outside the building all around you out in the open. You’re just not paying close attention or looking closely enough at the facts from reliable sources.

        You’re half way there to be fair, just a little short and wide of the main picture.

        :-J

        1. Nigel

          The fact the Democrats got Obamacare passed, multiple environmental protections, mutliple consumer and financial protections, and are not engaged in stripping women of abortion rights are pretty much all the evidence you ned that they are better than Republicans. It’s not even debatable, unless you think women shouldn’t have abortion rights, comsumers shouldn’t have protectiosn, financial services shouldn’t be regulated, the environment isn’t in crisis and people shouldn’t have health care. That’s not to say they don’t have their rotten side, it’s just that with Republicans it’s all rotten all the way through.

          If Bernie Sanders had run, all you guys would be Russiagate maniacs after he lost. Or no, maybe you;d still find ways to blame Hilary and the Democrats…

          You’re going to have to resolve the contradicions inherent in acknolweding that the Russians did attempt to interfere in the US elections and the idea that it’s a US military industrial plot against him, even though the latter makes no sense whatsoever.

  6. rotide

    From the president’s own tweet – “I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected”

    Is that enough for you to accept that Russia interfered?

    1. :-Joe

      Even funnier if it wasactually true…

      Russia didn’t get the burning trump-duck elected either directly or even indirectly…

      It’s all bs, it’s bad for you and clearly you and a lot of others bought it right after selling your pants to pay for it.

      :-J

  7. italia'90

    :-Joe gets it!
    Thank godness there’s at least one other person on here who does.
    Your other comment is an excellent one too :-Joe, but I’m afraid if you’re looking
    for a debate about the facts, you like me, are in the wrong place.
    However, if you want strawmen arguements, Nigel has loads as evidenced by his reply to you.
    That’s all they have I’m afraid.
    It should be all over now, but I’m sure they will persist.
    Mueller, the special prosecutor, found no evidence to indict the orange one on collusion or obstruction.
    Hillary got Trump elected or else he is a genius – to avoid being indicted!

      1. italia'90

        Where in the Mueller Report did he say that the DOJ should indict Trump based on his evidence?
        After 2 years, 50 FBI agents and all the other resources at hand, he came up with diddlysquat.
        Put down the koolaid and back away slowly.

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