112 thoughts on “De Saturday Papers

    1. The Rt. Hon. Tub of Lard MP

      Harsh. You’re easily triggered.

      On the subject: How’s she gonna get back from the U.S.?

    2. eoin

      Would remind you of the Childrens Crusade in 1212. Two lads in France and Germany separately saw visions which told them to go off to the middle east and peacefully convert the Muslims. Right so, they said and they marched hundreds of miles, picking up 1,000s along the way, from France and Germany to the Mediterranean sea, which, according to the vision was supposed to divide, like the Red Sea for Moses, so they could walk the last 1,000 miles on the sea bed. Alas, that didn’t happen. They were swindled by slave traders who promised to sail them to the Middle east but took them to slave markets in Tunisia instead. And that was the end of that.

      1. Nigel

        Any time I see a group of adults doing a thing together I am reminded of the adult crusades and wait till you hear how they turned out.

          1. Clampers Outside

            That would be asking for too much.

            The crusades were response to hundreds of years of fighting, murder and take over, which many like Nigel, those who see the crusades from a single viewpoint, tend to ignore.

      1. italia'90

        It’s not a good look for either of them is it?
        Perhaps more context is needed or their points expanded on?

        Good to see you back.
        I honestly feel it’s getting worse on here with the trolling, especially over the weekends.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            looks nice from afar but when you emerge you discover you’re covered in other people’s poo poo

            pretty much spot on, J!

      2. f_lawless

        Aren’t they commenting on the Examiner’s decision to go with such a headline on their front page? In fact, I would say it’s the the media circus and intense spotlight which has focused on this one teenage girl with autism that’s a form of abuse in itself. God only knows how she’s going to cope with the aftermath

        1. Nigel

          They’re her words. Trying to cop out that you’re attacking the media through which her words are presented for presenting those words is a c’est ne pas un pipe situation. Are you telling the pipe to fupp off or the painting of the pipe? Of course, YOU’RE far to decent to attack a teenage girl with autism, you’re attacking everything around her, everything she stands for, everything she’s acheived, her message, and the way in which that message is transmitted. Somehow her very success as an activist becames the biggest criticism against her and the easiest mode of attack. She herself is more worried about how she and everyone else will cope with the aftermath of climate change. if you were as concerned about her as you claim to be, you would start by respecting that.

          1. f_lawless

            Nigel you surely don’t believe that Greta Thunberg had anything to do with devising the policies contained within the Green New Deal? It’s the corporate-approved capitalist ‘solution’ to the environmental crisis. The financialisation of nature – designed to reboot a stagnating world economy, allow financial markets tap into new kinds of profit making enterprises. “Carbon offsetting” means business as usual in terms of over-consumption of resources and the drive for perpetual economic growth.

            Although she herself is obviously well intentioned, I think the reality is that Greta Thunberg is being cynically used to sell us this GND as a solution

          2. Nope

            “There her words”

            You mean those words are form the script she was given by her handlers.

            Lies form the mouth of a child with autism are still lies.

            Why would anybody pay attention to a child who’s head is filled with this nonsense.

            The cult of doom has been predicting catastrophe for over 50 years and not one of their predictions has ever come true.

            And yet they still lecture and scold as if they were the new Jesus.

          3. Nigel

            As far as I’m aware she had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the Green New Deal, nor has she or anyone else claimed that she was involved in its creation, but as a focal point for actual political responses tp the climate crisis it makes sense that she would support it in the absence of alternatives. What, to accept your framing for the sake of argument, non-corporate approved capitalist solution is realistically in play?

      3. Rob_G

        Ah would you stop – just because someone is young, it doesn’t mean their ideas shouldn’t be held up to scrutiny.

        (and for the record, I agree with more or less everything I’ve heard from her – but no public figure’s ideas should be above scrutiny)

        1. Nigel

          I mean her central idea is that politicians need to act on the science, most everything else is theatre and for that don’t blame the playa.

        2. Nigel

          I should say – noboody here is challenging her ideas. Nobody. They’re swearing at her, attacking her mental health, devising conspiracy theories, creating limp gotchas and, um, invoking the Children’s Crusade. Her idea is too simple to challenge without getting into climate change denialism.

      4. Clampers Outside

        Nice of u to drop in. I don’t care who said that line, I never even looked. My comment pertains to the narcissism contained in the quote regardless of who said it.

        You’re a bit ott in judgement of Bodgers comment also, in fairness. Then again, you always were a bit too literal.

        And, might I also say, welcome back :) from wherever you’ve been, genuinely.

      5. Clampers Outside

        And many LOLs…. your hypocrisy is writ large.

        You’ve attacked James Damore and called him names, etc on numerous occasions. Don’t pretend you didn’t know he has autism.

        Put a sock in it, and enjoy the rugby good lad

          1. Nigel

            Oh, the Google guy. Did I attack his mental health? Do’;t think so. Correct me if I’m wrong, with quotes.

          2. Clampers Outside

            Did I attack hers? No. Did u do what you accused me of, yes. That’s the hypocrisy bit.
            Did I do even do what you accused me of? No.
            And as I said, I didn’t even know who said the quote given, I simply responded to the appeal in the quote. You know, play the ball not the man, as the saying goes. It is the appeal itself that is narcissistic and could be used for any grievance in a manner that says “you need to look at ME, you need to feel MY pain”, and to that, I said, “fupp off”.

          3. Clampers Outside

            And to clarify further… it’s not an individual problem, it’s a world problem, that’s why the appeal is narcissistic. The person making the appeal, has no more of a pain experience of the issue than anyone else, and making an appeal that theirs is a pain that no one else already feels is beyond ridiculous.

          4. Nigel

            Okay, Clamps, me old segoise.
            1. I didn’t say you attacked her mental health. You swore at her. Bodger attacked her mental health. I didn’t attack the mental health of the Google eejit.
            2. I’m not sure why you think not taking the trouble to check who you’re swearing at absolves you of the act.
            3. Yes, asking others to feel your fear is a request for empathy. I think, given the support she has recieved, that she’d be on solid ground in claiming that it’s not just her fear, which is the opposite of narcissism. Nowhere does she claim to be the only one feeling this fear.

          5. Nigel

            ‘This is the water and this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within.’

            What the hell…?

      1. Clampers Outside

        ….sure some started the clock at 12 years to go, and have already moved to 11 left to go…

        Environmental end of world date predictors would give the Jehovah’s Witnesses a run for their money on date changes and the end of the world, in fairness :)

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      I see most of the Brit papers have different royal stories, only the Mirror has the most important one. As the victim said, if she is lying, sue her. If you can brainwash people into approving of royalty, you can do anything you want.

    2. eoin

      Prince Andrew was in the North a couple of weeks ago.


      He was accompanied by a prominent Northern Ireland libel lawyer who has represented the likes of Gerry Adams, Ian Paisley junior, Peter Robinson and FF minister Frank Fahey. US media has found itself being sued in Northern Ireland for defamation, including a case with the National Enquirer where the injured party was none other than Fergie, the horrible ex-princess.

  1. f_lawless

    Excuse the pun, but that Dan Buckley guy seems hopelessly green around the ears. It’s fairy tales for adults type stuff. Greta Thunberg, a lone teenager comes shooting from obscurity to single- handedly rally the youth in their masses and strike at the heart of the neo-liberal capitalist system – alternatively, has the phenomenon been stage-managed every step of the way. – from her tweets, her media exposure, down to her access to political leaders?.

    Seems more credible to me that she’s a pawn in a carefully choreographed media campaign run by the ruling class to channel public dissent into consenting to the corporate-approved solution to the environmental crisis (Green New Deal) which doesn’t actually confront the fundamental drivers of the crisis but is primarily aimed at prolonging the status quo of late-stage capitalism a while longer.


      1. Cú Chulainn

        +1.. it’s exactly the same m.o. as Cambridge Analytical.. who must be still with us in a different guise. It’s so totally pitched and controlled. And no one voice in the media questioning any of it. The same as Brexit. We do indeed live in interesting times.

        1. Nigel

          The Brexit/Cambridge Analytica style strategy would surely be to paint activists calling for broad range of political actions as part of a media campaign by the ruling class to channel public dissent and control people’s lives. They would focus with overwhelming negativity on a single narrow issue, the carbon tax, say, to drive popular reactionary opposition on both the death-cult right and the useless left to the exclusion of all other policies and issues, resulting in political deadlock and the ever-deeper entrenchment of the corporate status quo. The media can be awful in many ways, but for once it’s hardly their fault that you can’t launch the kind of Brexty/Trumpish/CA style attacks on a teenage girl without showing up your moral and intellectual bankruptcy and exposing yourself as kind of repulsive and creepy.

          1. Man On Fire

            Kids used as props in a scam. Advocated by delusional school teachers like you.

            How’s that for form.

    1. Lilly

      What’s your view on electric cars – is it just more BS designed to get people to scrap perfectly okay cars and buy new ones?

      1. Clampers Outside

        How is that electricity produced again?

        Idea is good for e -cars, we need to go next gen nuclear tho.

          1. italia'90

            Well you’ve blown my mind Lilly ;)

            UV at night you say? hmmmm

            So that fella who joked about flying to the sun at night was right all along. Who knew?

          2. Nigel

            At the risk of speaking for Lily, I’d say you could store the charge from the solar panels in batteries which would then be used to charge your vehicle, possibly overnight. That’s the dream, anyway. Plus the wind doth blow at night, betimes.

          3. Lilly

            Thanks Nigel, that’s exactly what I had in mind. Households will also be able to sell excess electricity back to the grid.

          4. italia'90

            Unfortunately technology is moving so fast that the equipment and investment required 5 years ago to capture excess energy and then sell it back to the grid, that it renders it obsolete and a poor investment. That’s why most SME’s have not invested and are reluctant to do so today. It’s not commercially viable just yet. Yes you can sell energy back to the grid today, but your break even point is approx. 20 years from photovoltaic sources alone. An additional 20k – 30k investment is required for optimum battery storage and transmission equipment for each household before we can get off the grid and become relatively self sufficient. Also you have to factor in redundancy, technical issues and maintenance costs of all the possible scenarios.
            I’m 100% in favour of this model. I’ve invested in geothermal heating and solar panels in my own home and a similar more advanced passive energy efficient house I own in Hungary where I plan to retire to.
            The battery storage phase of the plan is still not solved. It needs a back up to the back up unfortunately.

      2. Rob_G

        E-cars don’t really solve anything – a gridlocked city street full of single-occupancy e-cars poses almost all of the same societal and environmental problems as a gridlocked city street full of single-occupancy ICEs.

    2. Lilly

      @f_lawless — I had a look at wrongkindofgreen.org and was surprised to see Patagonia listed as one of the entities trying to eek another bit out of capitalism. They’ve always struck me as a company that genuinely endorses sustainability. They boycott the bullpoo that is Black Friday and send their employees off hiking for the day. They make their products to last – often from recycled materials. I have Patagonia stuff 20 years and still going strong. They urge their customers to think twice before buying and ask if they really need the item. How can they be the ‘wrong kind of green’?

      1. f_lawless

        Patagonia is a primary funder of the Ruckus Society which, according to the WK of G journalist, has become greatly involved in the rebranding of capitalism and corporate “greenwashing”.

        I guess Patagonia is not the worst of the offender out there but at the end of the day, it’s a multi-national corporate enterprise in this consumer capitalist system we live in, generating a billion dollars in revenue a year. Is urging customers to think twice before buying just a reverse psychology marketing ploy – appeal to the sensibilities of the eco-conscious consumer and thereby increase brand loyalty? If it really impacted their profits, they wouldn’t be saying that. Related article: https://www.outsideonline.com/1915001/not-buyin-it

  2. eoin

    Anyone know if the film “The Laundromat” will be shown in Ireland. Starring Meryl Streep, Gary Oldman, Antonio Banderas and the lad from Friends, it’s about the Panama Papers, which exposed the shady dealings of shady people, including certain Irish rich people and their political friends. The film will be shown on Netflix later this year, but it’s being released to cinemas around now.

    And has anyone heard of a country, starts with “N”, has five letters and the last one is “e”, not “u”.

  3. eoin

    That awful Lorraine Higgins woman has been given a plum state job. Miriam Lord reports

    “Former Labour senator and general election candidate Lorraine Higgins will be appointed Honorary Consul to the Slovak Republic at a reception in the embassy in Merrion Square on Thursday. She left active political life a number of years ago but is still a leading light – not to mention a rare female presence – in the Oireachtas Golf Society.”

          1. Bonkers

            Bodger I hope you frame all the legal threats Broadsheet receives and hang them up on the office wall for posterity, with DOB given pride of place in the middle of the gallery wall

  4. eoin

    Wrightbus is on the brink.


    The firm with a staff of 1,400, 86% of whom are Protestant is facing collapse after failing to find a buyer. Oh, and look, there’s Ian Paisley. Is he the DUP MP who told LBC in London that “they can build a wall between the North and South, the higher the better”

    1. some old queen

      I’ll hang you by your northern bitter tits if you keep using that 86% stats eoin.


      Dismissed Gay, CCMS HQ, Holywood, Co Down.

      1. eoin


        The reason religion is so important with this company is, it has been pouring money into the new Jerusalem project in Ballymena. The son of the founder is Pastor Jeff. The most recent accounts for the group show it made in 2017 a profit before a donation of £4.2m to the church run by Pastor Jeff after which there was a loss. There are people coming out on Twitter to say they were fired when they refused to give donations from their salary to the church. Read more about the church here.


        I’m hearing dark stuff about the finances of the company and expect the poo to hit the wall in the next nine days. The DUP are pestering the Tories for a bailout but they’re not going to get it. If the Tories will let travel agents Thomas Cook go to the wall (see front pages above), Wrightbus can drive off a cliff.

        Religion is central to this company’s demise.

        1. some old queen

          Would you like to declare your cultural appropriation and background please eoin?

          Context is important- I can administer a full bottle of milk of magnesia if your prefer?

        2. scundered

          I know quite a few people who work in it, and none of what you say sounds remotely like truth but we will see what happens in the next nine days, the church does have a huge following though and is well known for having stoeln the youthful congregations from other churches in the region… I heard that collections at weekends can be as much as £250k so it’s capable of raising huge money…. I also personally know several members who take in drug addicts to live in their homes and create a “normal” environment to help them kick the habit and get them cleaned up, that has been a commonplace thing with their followers so they have done a lot of good too so I can’t be too harsh either, although I too am always sceptical when business and religion live side by side.

          1. scundered

            I meant I know people working in both Wrights and others in Green Pastures fulltime, have no reason to believe they are doing anything dodgy but that’s not to say the top man isn’t up to no good and pulling the wool over the eyes of people who believe they only do good

  5. eoin

    Looks like the US military base at Shannon airport is about to get a lot busier with the decision by the US to deploy thousands to Saudi Arabia (after last week’s attack on oil facilities) and to rattle a sabre at Iran.


    If Trump and Pence are such BFFs with Bojo, then fly on for an extra 30 minutes and have your base in your Nato ally, the UK.

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      Too right! The light weight Aussie PM, Scumo, is in Washington, getting wined and dined. The three stooges – Scumo, Bojo and Trump. A scary lack of brain power there.

  6. eoin

    The charts are out for book sales in the week up to Saturday 14 September.

    Vicky Phelan is #1 in the softcover non-fiction.
    Christy Dignam is #1 in the hardcover non-fiction.

    I highly doubt either placing had anything much to do with the Late Late Show appearances which were broadcast on 13 September late. If Vera Twomey can make it to #1 without being hawked around Montrose, how relevant is the LLS, 9am Tubridy, Marian etc.

    And the Beano 2020 Annual has entered at #10 in the Childrens (nostalgic adults) charts.Go, Minnie the Minx!

  7. Cú Chulainn

    Meanwhile, the British state is engaged in outright aggressive hostility to Ireland. North and south, except the DUP are to narrow minded to see it. Britain is declaring an economic war against Ireland and nothing in our media or from the government about it. Maybe it’s best to wait and see for now, but I don’t see an easy relationship going forward.

    1. eoin

      Irish Times reports “The victim was not stabbed, contrary to reports circulating on social media” Mind you, the Irish Times goes on to report “the Higher Options event, organised by The Irish Times, is an annual three-day education expo for second level students, providing help in making decisions about future studies.”, so they have a dog in the race. There was definitely an assault though.


      1. GiggidyGoo

        A very fluffy article. There seems to be a refusal by the media to publish the facts – that is, what part of Irish culture (or not as the case may be) has reared it’s ugly head.

        1. Man On Fire

          All the tabloids pixelated the camera footage so you couldn’t make out if they were black or hooded white kids.

          1. Cú Chulainn

            Screwdriver to the head for victim 1. Victim 2 got a hammer to the face, shattered nose. Perpetrator is black. I can’t understand why that’s not reported.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            I wonder if the gardai in Macroom found the attackers of the two women last tuesday described here. https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Macroom-Gardai-issue-second-witness-appeal-to-mugging-of-elderly-woman-987dfcd2-552a-4c1f-8187-6516d03d5eb6-ds
            I mean, they’ve given such a detailed description of the attackers – “The two suspects are described as both being tall, thin and in their late teens/early 20s.”
            I’m surprised that there aren’t queues of people at the station with details of their identities.

  8. eoin

    Maria Bailey being re-heated on Marian show with co-owner of the Dean Hotel giving the first interview on the matter. Matt Ryan isn’t sure what Maria was seeking in court, money presumably but how much, who knows. The Dean was certain it had done nothing wrong and wasn’t going to meet her initial demand for €7,000 for medical costs. Maria has now “fully reimbursed” the Dean’s unquantified legal costs to date. There hadn’t been a single incident with the swings since the hotel was opened in 2013, until Maria Bailey’s incident in 2015, and there hasn’t been a single incident since.

    Interesting that Maria Bailey has been removed by Leo from certain Oireachtas committees chair roles, but she’s still a member of the budgetary oversight committee. Will she be promoting a cut in VAT for hotels? She will not. In fact, if she had her way, she’d probably double the rate to 27%.

    She has no business being anywhere near where laws and policies and budgets are set. She also has no business in the FG party, and her continued membership is a reflection on Leo and Simon.

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      I agree. Her constituents will have their chance to respond soon enough on whether she is fit to represent them. (Mind you, collective forgetfulness is very common in Irish electoral history.)
      Thought Matt Ryan handled the questions very professionally. In fact, whether it was crafted PR or just simply his business style, the Dean Hotel has emerged from the debacle with a sort of grown-up rationale and respect. The swing will probably end of in the Little Museum of Dublin one day – but not before thousands having the craic will instagram the hell out of it. Superb marketing.

      1. martco

        “Her constituents will have their chance to respond soon enough”
        gonna tell ya now (sadly)
        the way this kiphole we live in works if selected by Fianna Gael she will likely score a seat
        she could have been caught eating babies on the wards in Holles st. & she’d still score her seat
        come GE time a certain type of voter is prepared to overlook issues so long as their “team” wins especially in the ur-ee-aah she stalks
        how’d the oul trout that lied & hung Maurice McCabe out to dry get on? how does the convicted tax fraudster down in Tipp get on every time? exactly.
        stupid voters

  9. Lilly

    What’s your view on electric cars – is it just more BS designed to get people to scrap perfectly okay cars and buy new ones?

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