110 thoughts on “Sunday’s Papers

    1. SOQ

      “Networks don’t get to decide elections. Courts do.” – Rudy Giuliani

      Legal challenges are underway and recounts are underway but, if on the off chance he is successful- all hell will break loose.

          1. SOQ

            I suspect the MSM are pumping up the premature electulation in the hope that the judiciary will fold- except Trump predicted all of this last May- so pretty sure there was- and is- a plan in place.

            Never underestimate your enemy- especially one who has so far confounded all critics.

          2. Nigel

            Premature? It’s not premature. What did he predict in May? What on earth gives you the impression that Trump has ever been a man with a plan? He doesn’t have a path to victory through the courts.

        1. Nigel

          Oh and his ‘plan’ was to sabotage the postal service and denigrate postal voting then have a big enough lead on election night to be declared winner – by the MSM – then stop the count through legal challenges. It was an awful plan and it didn’t work.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Michilín returned them alright. Kicking and screaming.
            Has Regina repaid to the state, the money she got for her ‘promotion’ by, ahem, Varadkar? The Chief Whip allowance?

            The pressure is building alright on Lieo. He has to go through it again, and worse, on Tuesday, with the added bonus this time of the names of those expressing confidence in him up there in lights for all to see.

            I’ve heard on good authority, the horses mouth, that some FFers have been inundated with emails and phone calls warning them of a withdrawal of support for them and FF if they don’t man up and kick Varadkar out. Likewise, the grassroots FGers are lapping it up, watching him squirm.

            I wonder if his da is pleased with the disgraceful conduct.

          2. V aka Frilly Keane

            The eFFers won’t put a hair out of place Gigs
            They’ll all follow the Govt Whip
            Exceptions might
            And I say MIGHT
            Be the odd weak seat flirting with their local Sinn Fein Comhairle

            Leo will sail through a Vote of No Confidence anyway

            Most likely outcome is a suspension via the Ceann Comhairle’s office

            Which Leo will accept

            With spin around how it is important that the Government be allowed Govern instead of distractions about a few WhatsApps etc
            From people who weren’t good people who he thought he could trust

            Blah blah eeuwww and more blah

          3. GiggidyGoo

            Agree V. But this is weakening FF FG and the Greens. Once he survives the vote, then any state papers marked as ‘Confidential’ can be leaked knowing there’s a precedence. And the blame will lie with FFGr for it. They will have destroyed any semblance of honesty / integrity.

            Varadkar can’t hide behind doing it for the good of…whatever… because he has already confirmed in a text message that he understood his responsibilities, and signed a document to that effect. https://mobile.twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1325143533053857793/photo/1

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Hard to ignore you when you’re first off the mark almost with a copy and paste comment yesterday and today.

          Your posting is piddle poor these days. Let’s try keep that confidential between us though. ROFL! Confidential? ROFL. Guffaw in fact.

          1. Cian

            It’s actually the same post for the last three days. It was supposed to reflect the irony of their election results taking so long. But it went over your head.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            We know what it was. It was getting in an early comment, top of the page, to distract from our own politics and the disgusting manner that is has, yet again, been brought into disrepute.

            I’m just wondering when you will realize your error of judgement in supporting Varadkar. I hope your explanation will be a bit more coherent than this….

            https://mobile.twitter.com/rtenews/status/1323705946477105154

          3. GiggidyGoo

            What’s that Bisted? I wasn’t absent at all. Have a look.
            Twitter is for twits. I’m not on it. Do you have hashtags for breakfast? Try hash browns.

          4. GiggidyGoo

            Lame Cian.

            So, anyway, apart from copying and pasting the same comment twice once the front pages went up, are you any closer to admitting your error of judgement? At least Simon Harris had the sense to steer away from handing a confidential document to one of Varadkars mats. But as usual, Varadkar tried to bring someone down.

            Tuesday beckons.

          5. Cian

            How on earth is that “an error of judgement”?

            What planet are you on?

            I posted relevant stuff on the US election before I went to bed.

          6. GiggidyGoo

            Yeah, yeah yeah. Exact same post three days in a row, just as De Papers appeared.

            Here’s my comment regarding your error of judgement. As in your attempt to set the debate away from the politics that matter at home, three days in a row. You were so engrossed in it – so important – that you stayed miles away from any discussion on Varadkar.

            “I’m just wondering when you will realize your error of judgement in supporting Varadkar. I hope your explanation will be a bit more coherent than this….

            https://mobile.twitter.com/rtenews/status/1323705946477105154

          7. GiggidyGoo

            Aaaannnnndddd the cop out begins.

            What I can’t understand though is why you nail your colours to the Varadkar mast, after what he had done. Or will you be a late developer, and ditch him eventually like his friends are doing? I hope you keep a record of SCU instructions (same way as you keep records of what people post here) for future reference.

          8. Cian

            @GiggidyGoo
            Do you have a crush on Varadkar? You obsess about him. Its not healthy. Most of your posts are about him. Do you think he’s sexy? Is that it?

            412 posts so far this year where you mention him. That’s an obsession.

          9. GiggidyGoo

            Actually it’s a very B9 -like comment, same as his earlier one above (‘oh you do care. Xxx’) It’s a run-away comment.
            Maybe Cian has given up and another of the SCU Members is now operating his account.

            Nice to know that as well as keeping history on what’s posted here, they’re also counting the frequency of words. ROFL. Sad boyos.

            Leo’s lolly must have been upped to have the SCU Members working weekends. Not even time for a leak.

            Roll on Tuesday

          10. GiggidyGoo

            @Pat Mustard.
            It’s a simple process to scrape a website. The SCU Members can call in the services of a lowly IT nuru to do it. You can extract any information you define from the results of a scrape. (Cian thinks it’s something magic and that we should be wary of him and the boys – delusional)

    2. Rosette of Sirius

      There is a significant upside to all the recounts Trump will no doubt demand.

      We get to watch him lose twice.

      Marvelous.

      #stopthesqueal

      1. SOQ

        And that is the point now isn’t it?

        Celebrating Trump losing rather than Biden winning. The same thing happened last time around too- except in reverse.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          absolutely it is, soq

          not too many who vehemently oppose trump are overly enthused with biden (track record of racist comments, homophobia, fiscally conservative- and not to mention his own dubious past when it comes to sexual assault)

          the big triumph here is getting rid of trump

          1. millie

            It really was a case of the lesser of two evils, wasn’t it?

            Even Kamala Harris is far from perfect, though she’s been great for the optics of Biden’s campaign.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            sadly, yes

            about as close to being a Republican as a Democrat can be

            any port in a storm etc

          3. bisted

            …only time will tell if it was the lesser of two evils…who would have thought that Trump would have been the least warmongering US President in the 21st century…

          4. Charger Salmons

            The idea that America is somehow going to be radically,socially and morally totally different from Trump with the election of a long-time Washington insider is laughable.
            As all those white,college-educated protestors trashing inner cities in the name of downtrodden blacks will soon find out.
            An unchanged Senate and more Republican seats in the House show this election is a triumph for Biden but a disaster for his party.
            Biden’s main job at this stage is expectation management.
            It’ll be fascinating to see how Trump reacts.
            My guess is that with such a strong supporter base – the second highest popular vote ever in presidential elections after Biden – and with more Hispanics,blacks and women voting for him than in 2016 Trumpism is going to stick around for a while.
            And, of course, Covid-19 isn’t going anywhere either.
            The fun has only just begun.

          5. millie

            Tbf I don’t think anyone is that naive. America has been fundamentally changed by the past 4 years. Trump wasn’t the reason for this though. These divisions, the polarisation, it was already there, already happening. It just took a President like Trump to accelerate it to a boiling point. He is a deeply polarising individual, it’s no surprise that this is the result of his four years in office.

            It’s going to take a lot more than a Biden/Harris win to repair the Divided States of America. I think most people are just glad Trump is gone.

          6. Brother Barnabas

            I doubt trump has the character or work ethic to stick around, plugging away in the background – no limelight, no acclaim – marshalling his support in preparation for another go in 2024

          7. Brother Barnabas

            because it’s not true, bisted – for one, his economic warfare against the likes of iran will inevitably lead to physical conflict (likely one among a multitude of sh1t storms he’s left for biden to deal with). and his true love is drone warfare, which he has escalated. but nobody knows by who much since he rescinded the rule requiring the CIA to reveal civilian casualties. we have no idea the extent of what went on under trump’s direction.

          8. bisted

            …you’ve told me several times I’m wrong Barabus…so just remind me which new actual wars he started…not just bombast and bluster wars…or economic wars, like he has threatened most of the world with…including the EU and Canada…

          9. Brother Barnabas

            “several times”

            first time I’ve ever commented on it, actually, busted

            a war monger isnt necessarily someone who initiates wars, it’s someone who sanctions / performs / instructs military action, which trump has done lots of (albeit he probably took scant interest in any of it)

          10. bisted

            …thanks for the definition of war monger Barabas…Trump didn’t seem to go in for the ‘shock and awe’ or ‘we came…we saw…he died’ style of his predecessors…did a lot of shouting and threatening…but didn’t start any new wars…not even proxy ones…so a lot of people are alive today who wouldn’t if crooked Hillary hadn’t been rejected…

          11. Brother Barnabas

            “if crooked hilary hadn’t been rejected”

            firstly, bisted, we’re not talking about her – we’re talking about trump’s predecessors as per your first comment

            would prez hilary have led to lots and lots of deaths? I’d say for sure. she’s a nasty piece of work, no question there.

            more than trump? nobody knows because he changed the law to ensure we couldnt find out – that alone gives ample grounds to at least suspect he’s hiding something

            you interpreted warmongering as being limited to “starting wars” – hence the clarification

          12. Charger Salmons

            Trump is going to be back playing the Washington outsider.
            When America starts footing the bill for free healthcare for illegal immigrants and police forces in Democrat-controlled cities like Portland start defunding the police to appease their Antifa street protestors watch the action begin.
            The next four years are going to be great entertainment.
            I can’t wait.

          13. Nigel

            Trump has assorted legal and financial issues awaiting him once he gets out from behind the shelter of the presidency and the GOP. Trumpism without Trump may not be a spent force, but it might be a force without focus. Most Trumpers don’t like the GOP any more than they like the Democrats. Four years of blocking everything from Biden isn’t going to endear them to anyone else. It’ll only take minor electoral reform to start the process of reducing the party to an irrelevence. Tough roads ahead for them, too.

        2. scottser

          The lack of leadership within the democrats and the lack of a credible candidate in the past two elections has been noted on here many times.
          Still, nice to have a paddy in the whitehouse, eh?
          Marvellous.

          1. Charger Salmons

            An each way bet would be on who, between you or Nigel, posts the most on here every day because you don’t have a social life.
            Lousy odds though …

          2. Nigel

            Who are you socialising with during a pandemic lockdown? Oh, right! Hope your haunted porcelain victorian doll friends have their own little hand embroidered face masks.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            Ooooohh Charger. Do, you know something? My life is quite dandy. A lot more than can be said for yours actually. I’m not holed up in a bedsit with piddle-soaked carpets, feasting on beans, drinking make-believe wine from plastic bottles with blue tops like yourself. And more to the point, I don’t have such a sad life as yourself who resorts to the likes of this… https://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209757
            You’re a vile little man.

          4. Papi

            Ah, now, giggidy, that’s unfair. Charger is not little, and the obesity is not his fault, when you consider double chips, three battered sausages and twelve cans really eats into his dole money, especially twice a day.

        3. SOQ

          Well my point was that last time around, those who hated Clinton never gave too much thought to Trump- and the same thing has happened again.

          The democrats ran a very poor campaign- it was theirs for the taking.

          1. V aka Frilly Keane

            The only time I’ve seen Biden act in anyway Presidential
            Was the last few days

            Asking for calm
            Be patient
            Etc

            The only time – even since the primaries
            That he was head and shoulders above it all
            See his response to the BBC in the midst of a Press Crush

            Even the networks were steaming and over-caffinated

            Their verbiage was looping at such a rate twas like watching them saddled into human gyroscopes

            But not Joe Biden
            In fairness

            Credit where credit is due like

          2. Nigel

            Seems to me they ran a bloody amazing campaign, during a pandemic, against an incumbent with a huge base that did not care at all about his flaws and his obviously disasttrous policies with the structural advantage of the EC on his side and a widespread campaign of open voter supression. Is there some reason we’re supposed to be allergic to acknowledging any of this?

          3. bisted

            …agree…the turnout was phenomenal…especially during a pandemic…both sides polled higher than any before in US history…both had learned from the previous election and got the vote out…Trump didn’t even need the Russians, in fact he increased his vote by millions…which some might say, he won the last election despite the Russians…

          4. Nigel

            There were so many factors at work during that election, I expect small armies of historians and analysts will be driven to mental breakdowns trying to sort it out.

          5. George

            “It was there’s for the taking” ?!

            They won against an incumbent which almost never happens.

      2. Nigel

        Recounts cost. Legal challenges cost. Trump’s a miser and his campaign is broke becuase he’s a crook surrounded by crooks. There’ll be a lot of noise, not much heat.

        1. Rosette of Sirius

          Well, the next step will be to continue to grift his base to pay for it. It’s a futile act of course. None of his major funders will stump up – they know better. The grift will continue.

        2. bisted

          …the fundamental christian cohort of Trump’s base have been squeezed dry by their pastors for decades…I don’t think they’ll be too pleased if a powerless Trump tries to muscle in on their honeypot…

    1. Paulus

      I heard it was the producers of the Angelus; passing off the same bongs over and over, but getting paid each time.

    2. V aka Frilly Keane

      Straight to the Gardai

      Heem – could be Virgin Media. They run a tight ship, and a plc so there’s zero tolerance.

      But since RTÉ still haven’t presented 2019 Accounts
      Maybe they’ve found a scapegoat

      1. Brother Barnabas

        didnt the much maligned enda kenny start that ?

        an illustrative lesson in be careful what you wish for – would have kenny back in a heartbeat

        1. Charger Salmons

          I always thought very highly of Kenny.
          Not a grand-stander.
          Worked behind the scenes for consensus when he could.
          He would have handled Brexit totally differently – he knew Anglo-Irish cooperation was far more important than strutting the stage like Varadkar.
          Probably the last Taoiseach to have some principles.
          Likes a drink too.

  1. Johnny

    will he, will Ganley,will he get the license….in my opinion no.

    ….in his own words the US play explained,kinda:)

    “One challenge Rivada has faced in getting its story out is that the influence of big-money lobbyists is just the water in which Washingtonians swim. When 19 senators sign a letter against nationalization — a measure opposed by multibillion-dollar multinationals — in a matter of hours, and introduce legislation opposing it within days, that’s business as usual. No one can see the strings. But a story about a entrepreneurial company with a big idea is somehow easy to recast as something nefarious, given enough PR pros and money.”

    https://morningconsult.com/opinions/wireless-nationalization-and-the-big-lie/

    ps-Declan killed irony.

    if you have not and I really have not, followed this, here is a decent overview.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqxq7/washington-swamp-creatures-compete-for-multi-billion-dollar-5g-spectrum

    Jamaica is what interests me,the govt is seriously considering Rivada’s proposal, which would be a template for Carib and finally killing on the walking dead,Digicel.

  2. Johnny

    NJ voters have now approved selling, growing and possessing cannabis.

    The state has to seat a board that will oversee licenses,you apply, if you “qualify”, then you open, about 12-18 months from vote to open.

    It’s normally a points based system,being Irish does not qualify you as a minority nor do you get ‘immigrant” points, so you wash the irish white guys reps by hiring a load x cons/immigrants/minorities…no that does not work either-you do a Dennis,we set up a small college to satisfy social equity requirements, we tried joint ventures or financing those lucky minorities who have ‘won’ licenses, its like trying do a deal with a fat kid who won the golden ticket to the candy factory…..

    “Houenou has worked on expungement reform while in Murphy’s office and cannabis reform with the ACLU-NJ, Murphy said. That organization has proved a leader in the fight to legalize marijuana, and focused its efforts ending the disproportionate arrests of Black people for marijuana possession.”

    https://www.nj.com/marijuana/2020/11/legal-weed-now-approved-murphy-names-picks-for-commission-to-oversee-nj-marijuana-industry.html

  3. Daisy Chainsaw

    Can any of the Qanon supporters confirm that the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference was a secret sign? It was held next to a sex shop, but there’s a couple of nearby restaurants and one of them probably sells pizza.

    1. Papi

      Landscaping is similar to landslide electoral victory.
      Four seasons is a type of pizza.
      Parking lot is where you park your “car”
      The plot thickens and all will be revealed.
      Bodger knows.

      1. Tony

        Trust the plan

        A storm is coming

        Black eagle flies east at dawn

        A nod’s as good as a wink to a blind bat

        Under the tree at Spar

    2. Rosette of Sirius

      What a glorious mess that was. Word on the street is that’s gonna be the site for his presidential library/peep show.

      1. Papi

        I actually feel sorry for the secret service guys who’ll have to look after him after. They’re pulling straws like crazy, I’d say.

    3. V aka Frilly Keane

      For now, all I care

      Is that it’s the ending Rudi Guliani’s career deserves

      Whoever stitched it all up – nice one

      Just for that
      Rudi’s career epitaph

      Lemme buy you a pint sometime

      Q who afaic

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