Last night.
‘The Healthy Debate’ presented by Lindie Naughten in association with Health Freedom Ireland.
An hour-long show where Broadcaster George Hook (top left) and investor and commenter Graham Neary (right) take issue with the mainstream media’s coverage and response response to Covid restrictions and strategy.
Thanks KN
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Ah, Health Freedom Ireland – the organisers of the Anti Lockdown marches. Bedfellows of the Yellow Vesters, Patriots, Nationalists, racists and bigots.
International anti-vac money at play in Ireland.
Oh an investor. Always worth listening to for opinion on epidemiology.
Yeah… Still clothing themselves in glory with the Hookster huckster. Magnesium and essential oils will clear it up.
What would George know. Is he a doctor? IS HE?
This is the most deadly virus the world has ever known!!
Except when it doesn’t suit us
https://youtu.be/fiyAB4x0544
No, these are deadly diseases (or high consequence infectious diseases as the uk gov calls them)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
Argentine haemorrhagic fever (Junin virus) Andes virus infection (hantavirus) Bolivian haemorrhagic fever (Machupo virus) Avian influenza A H7N9 and H5N1 Crimean Congo haemorrhagic fever (CCHF) Avian influenza A H5N6 and H7N7 Ebola virus disease (EVD) Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) Lassa fever Monkeypox Lujo virus disease Nipah virus infection Marburg virus disease (MVD) Pneumonic plague (Yersinia pestis) Severe fever with thrombocytopaenia syndrome (SFTS) Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)*
So what about COVID-19?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.
The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.
The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.
Seems Boris didn’t get that memo!!!
Pffft…
Yeah right Just Sayin.
Don’t be coming around here with your actual “proof” or “logic” or actual ”medical document” and trying to convince me that this isn’t the most infectious disease ever.
Well, I for one will metaphorically continue to crack propers heads open feast on the goo inside
Good day sir!
or just hand over the Broadsheet log in codes to f_lawless and SOQ and we can go full pro-trump, anti-vaxx and stop letting on?
Its ‘password123’ ;-)
George Hook
c’mon lads
well that’s my Bake’Sheet special shelved
T’would only go off with what that Ape will attract anyway
no!!!!!! not the bake sheet!!!!!!
I have rarely agreed with George Hook on anything, I see that it will remain to be the case that I not agree with his utterances. His implication that the restrictions on his movement have a comparison to the time of the Black and Tan criminality is offensive – the Gardaí aren’t going to shoot you in the back, bayonet your neighbour and burn down your village. A gross misrepresentation of the situation.
“We are in Putin’s Russia” – Bullplops
Hindsight genius.
or rape
explains why George Hook saw noting in using them as a comparison
I don’t like Hook either, and thought his Black & Tan and Russian references were inappropriate.
However isn’t he speaking the truth (even if we don’t like his mannerisms)
The media (4th estate as he says) have behaved appalingly
Neil Ferguson’s modeling was off the wall
Our polititions were bounced into lockdown
The stats for covid are a complete disaster (i.e. any analysis shows this to be no worse than a bad flu season)
Isn’t it a good thing to hear people speaking the truth.
It’s sad that truth is such a rarity these days.
All due respect JustSay
I think we’ve, the regulars around here anyway
Have been questioning the Mainstream coverage and propaganda
weaponised scaremongering
From a long ways off
like even since before Easter
Why the hock tis this Ape that’s suddenly now the only one speaking the truth and questioning the 4th estate
My last FK column was titled the 5th Estate, which dabbled in this very thing, influcenced media etc
but I’m not a fella
so maybe thats it
One thing I do know, when he was mainstream media himself Hook was no stranger to corporate top ups and nixers
And he’d be back in there in the morning if they’d have him
anyone at all could shove a mic infront of him and he’ll say what they’re looking for from him
he doesn’t care as long as he’s doing the talking and the spittling
Surprised Kevin the Higgins hasn’t written a poem about him
Tell ye one thing
I would love to know what Dr Marcus would say about Health Freedom Ireland now that they’ve brought that ape into their showpiece
Apologies Vanessa, Broadsheet are one of the few that encourage dissenting voices.
I’m no fan of HFI but I hope they continue giving a platform to others to speak out.
(even an old fart like Hook)
I hope ‘the healthy debate’ got plenty of viewers though I expect they will have learned more from Graham Neary than from George Hook.
Apols not necessary JustSay
But I’ve got to the stage where I don’t trust any of them
Especially all those just wanting to get their spoke in
on just about anything, anywhere
no matter who the organisers are
or who they’re sharing the platform with
And don’t believe a word from anything beamed out of Montrose
I will never develop the patience to bare any time with them again
Strictly Sport now with that crowd
He’s not going to reach an audience of any great numbers by framing the truth with hyperbolic nonsense.
In fairness.
Does George Hook present an alternative mathematical model that can be verified by epidemiologists?
Does he think Dr. Holohan would be in the position he is in if his credentials weren’t bone fide (which is the implication, intended or otherwise)
Is the main implication from Hook is that there is an organised conspiracy to make life difficult for everyone?…instead of a government working with whatever scientific information that was presented to them to prevent an potentially exponential catastrophe – they have no choice but to be cautious – imagine they had ignored the scientific guidance (again)?
The scientific guidance was a watered down version of UK and that was complete horse poo. As for the rest- given the huge social damage these lockdowns are doing, why should it only be epidemiologists who can speak?
Where are the models on expected fatalities because of missed cancer diagnoses? And don’t tell me they are not going to happen because they will. What about the figures on projected suicides? Abuse? Childhood traumas?
Or as Graham asks- where is the cost / benefit analysis?
The government took very difficult decisions balancing the priorities of all the things you mentioned, I’m sure the affects on society were considered, at length, in the understanding that the outbreak is a temporary situation and in the absence of a vaccine and something that had to be relatively contained expediently, as time goes on I’m sure other views, calculations and balances will be taken into future decision making.
+1
Right up there with the numpties who see Nazis everywhere :)
Ten comments so far and only one mentions the content of what Lee actually said. Seriously folks- is this how you relate to people in the real world? I don’t like what he has to say about this so I won’t listen to him on that is it?
In my work life I have met many people whom I strongly disagree with on certain topics but yet can agree with them on others- and this pandemic has thrown up some very strange bedfellows. But, the fact that the only people speaking up are either self employed or retired should ring alarm bells about what is really going on.
Make no mistake, there are plenty others, especially within the medical professions, who feel the same but are afraid to speak out.
And not one comment about Graham’s analysis. Graham has been doing some super work crunching stats because he approaches it in the exact same way as life insurance companies do. But no, because it does suit the narrative that you- people who consider yourselves to be intelligent- have been drip fed, it is to be ignored.
Time was the main pressure source at the start of the virus – if we had to wait until all the differing opinions of some medical professionals and business lobbyists were debated, agreed upon and implemented – we’d still be at February levels of organisation. I’m sure scenarios were modelled, likelihoods calculated etc before making decisions…
There is now the luxury of time for commentators to opine and differing scientific analysis be aired, were their opinions around in early March, I’m sure they would have been considered had they verifiable scientific merit.
We are not in March we are in November with a a full on lockdown but with marginal fatalities.
It is a very different time, especially given how much is now known about SARS-Cov-2.
Nearly 60 minutes including a large segment with George Hook?
Jesus H Christ lads, how much do you think I hate myself?
A good old George the apologist for rape. If you listen to him before medical facts then you seriously need to question your own intellect. This virus is not a flu. It leaves long lasting after effects. Ask those who are still suffering after 7 months Myself included.
Erm, yes it is practically the same as the flu
Coronavirus (CV) and influenza (IF) are very similar at the molecular level. Both are ribonucleic acid (RNA) viruses and both are enveloped helical (meaning that they have a similar 3- dimensional structure with a protein outer part and the RNA inside). CV is a positive strand RNA and IF is a negative strand RNA. This means they have opposite structures much like you have a left hand and a right hand.
If you’re still suffering after 7 months then you probably have post viral syndrome.
You could have gotten this from the flu, covid, herpes, hiv etc…
Best to tell people you have ‘long covid’ as that’s the only fashionable brand of PVS
https://bestdoctor.com/blog/post-viral-syndrome-causes-symptoms-and-treatment/
A shower of crazies. That dude totally oblivious that the low death rate were expected due to lockdown and health measures, oh its not much just that this single obvious fact brings down his entire theory and all the little businesses around it…
Sweden?