91 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

    1. Cú Chulainn

      Well, I wonder what sugar Bez was on? He introduced a friend of mine to a quiet delicious cocktail once; a heavy enough rock of craic, and forced into the top a rolled ball, nodge size, of gently processed organic poppy sap.. dear lord.. so high it was dizzy and for a moment you thought – this is it. But then, like a mother picking out from your cot, the warmest gentlest land into a heaving bosom of loveliness. Later my friend offered to have his babies, but as they were both guys it wasn’t going to happen. I’m not sure if it’s Bozo of Piers they are taking the piss out of.

  1. chargesalmons@yahoo.co.uk

    Charger’s Vax Facts™ #37

    The UK’s stunning run of record-breaking vaxxing days is over with ‘only’ 221,067 vaccines being administered yesterday, taking its overall total to 7,044,048.
    Vaccination rates are typically lower on Sundays with fewer doctors and nurses being on shift on the last day of the working week.
    In total 78.8% of over-80s have received a jab.

    Ireland’s official vaccination total remains unchanged for a fifth day.

    Meanwhile, official stats out in the UK on deaths by professions show that the highest among men was in taxi drivers, security guards and lorry drivers,
    And in women among care workers, sales assistants and nurses.
    This doesn’t take into account those whose profession was not recorded

    1. Joe F

      Hey Admiral, any chance of you commenting on the UK death rate from the virus? 5th highest in the world out of 221 countries. Almost 100,000 deaths. Death rate in UK is 2 and a half times the rate in Ireland.Great job Bozo, still Tories 1% ahead of Labour in latest poll according to you, and that is much more important than 100,000 people losing their lives.
      Any sign of Bozo’s approval ratings of late, or are you blind to those facts also.
      Marvelous Admiral Nelson.

      1. Hank

        Why do you keep doing this to yourself? Can you not see the thrill you give him every time you reply and the even greater thrill he gets from ignoring you??
        Actually, now I think of it, there’s a distinct possibility that Joe F is a construct Charger has invented to reply to himself!

        1. Joe F

          Sorry to disappoint you Hank but myself and himself not the one. Each time he goes on about the virus in his unbalanced way, I’m going to reply to him, sorry! If he makes normal posts I’m not going to have a go at him.

        2. Micko

          Hank pleading with Joe there, like a mother at her alcoholic sons intervention..

          “Why do you keep doing this to yourself? Can ya not see what you’re doing to me and your poor Father!”

          He’s too far gone Hank. …Too far gone.

    2. Charger Salmons

      Low and behold after weeks of ignoring the growing crisis over the EU’s inept vaccine acquistion process their shill in RTE Tony Connelly now can’t get enough of their message up on his Twitter thread about how it’s all Big Pharma’s fault.
      His Master’s Voice calls and Toady Tony comes running.


      1. Charger Salmons

        This is not a column you would ever see written by an Irish journalist.
        Instead here’s a German former FT EU expert telling it like it is.

        ‘ It looks like I might have been a bit premature when I predicted that austerity would go down as the EU’s worst policy error during my lifetime. In one sense this prediction from the time of the eurozone crisis will probably turn out to be correct. Austerity triggered economic divergence that will be hard to reverse.

        But the EU vaccine’s policy must be a close contender for that title. As of January 22, the EU had vaccinated only 1.89% of its population, whereas the UK vaccinated 9.32%. Moreover, the daily rate of increase is faster in the UK. UK vaccinations not only started earlier, the gap is still widening.

        You can’t blame logistical errors. What happened is that the EU did not secure enough vaccines. That, in turn, slowed down the pass-through. The Commission’s headline numbers are not deliveries. Already in November, the head of Moderna warned that the EU was dragging out negotiations. AstraZeneca, which is distributing the Oxford vaccine, said deliveries to the EU will take longer than previously anticipated. Pfizer, which distributes the German BioNTech vaccine, is now warning the EU of supply bottlenecks because of problems with a production site in Belgium.

        What happened here is that the EU did a Brexit trade deal with the pharma industry: it tried to lock in a perceived short-term price advantage at the expense of everything else. Instead of prioritising the speed and security of supplies at any price, the EU prioritised the price. The EU paid 24% less for the Pfizer vaccine than the US, for example. For the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, the price gap is 45%. The UK almost certainly paid a lot more. It is no wonder that the manufacturers are prioritising orders on a first-come, first-serve basis, and from countries that pay the full price. The price difference is macroeconomically irrelevant. But if vaccine shortages lead to longer lockdowns, the indirect effect of that short-sighted policy will be massive.

        At one point, the cost of this policy error will also be measurable in terms of human lives. This is not possible now because we don’t know the future spread of the virus. We know that the UK mutant has arrived on the continent, but has not yet unleashed its full pandemic force. In the most benign scenario, the current lockdown might prevent the worst. In the worst case scenario, the vaccination delay would be a calamity that could costs tens of thousands of lives.

        So why did EU governments shift responsibility for vaccination procurement to the EU in the first place? Angela Merkel reasoned that it would have strained EU cohesion if Germany had procured privileged supplies of the BioNTech vaccine. What she did not consider is that the EU is ill-equipped for this task. To this day, the EU’s DNA is that of a producers’ cartel. Its priority is not to secure supplies, but reduce costs and achieve some balance between French and German interests. Triangulation is what Brussels does for a living. Whatever-it-takes is not part of its culture.

        On a broader perspective, the vaccine disaster is the culmination of a trend that started with the Maastricht Treaty. Until then, the EU did only a few things well: the customs union, the Schengen travel zone, and to a lesser extent, the single market. The EU’s competencies have progressively widened since, but the results are mostly disappointing. In the early 2000s, the EU obsessed about the Lisbon Agenda for structural reforms, which brought few concrete benefits. Nor did the Juncker investment programme a decade later. The vaccination disaster differs in only one respect: it will be blamed for the loss of human lives.

        There will undoubtedly be calls for resignations. But for me, the more important issue is the conclusions EU citizens will draw from it. For starters, the EU has just provided a hindsight argument in favour of Brexit. The UK would not have proceeded with vaccinations as quickly if it had subjected itself to the same policy. The last thing the EU ever wants to do is give people a rational, non-ideological reason for euroscepticism.

        It has just done that. ‘


        1. Joe F

          Why do you constantly focus on positive things about the UK and completely ignore all the negative things clown man? You cannot be taken seriously when you just ignore most of the facts e.g. you keep bleating on about how good the Tories are, 1% ahead in latest poll. Why don’t you mention or comment on the resignation of Welsh Tories in last few days? If iot was the leader of Welsh Labour you would be spouting on. You’re incapable of debating obviously.

        2. Charger Salmons

          Here’s a novel idea. If people in the 27 countries of the EU nations are angry at the total failure of the European Commission over the procurement and roll-out of vaccines they should vote those European Commissioners out of office.

          Oh, wait ….

          1. Joe F

            So Bozo is at -20% in approval ratings clown man. Any comment on that, seeing that you were very keen a few days ago to show a poll with Tories 1% ahead of Labour. Any comment on Bozo’s approval ratings then Admiral?

        3. Charger Salmons

          Compare and contrast the Eurointelligence article with the EU bottom-licking stuff that has appeared in the Irish Times which is predictably on-message from Brussels.
          The level of journalism in this country is dire.

          ‘ AstraZeneca has made a right mess of its Covid vaccine programme to date.

          After early disquiet around communications over a halt to trials following an adverse reaction, it then made a hash of reporting results. They were stellar but confusing. It later transpired that the best figures critically did not relate to older patients and in fact evolved from an initial dosing error during the trials process.

          Now, on the cusp of what it hopes will be approval for its vaccine from the European Medicines Agency this week, it has suddenly told the EU to expect only 40 per cent of agreed supplies in the first quarter.

          The EU, understandably, is not impressed. Having paid a three-digit million euro sum upfront to pre-book production capacity and fund advance manufacture of doses, it wants its vaccine.

          And finger-wagging by Pascal Soriot, the AstraZeneca boss, as he publicly admonished “me-first” governments at a World Economic Forum event amid the wreckage of his own company’s contract commitments has not helped.

          Cheap and easy to handle, AstraZeneca was to be the game-changer in the ongoing battle to get the pandemic under control and return crippled economies to something approaching normality.

          The supply issues suddenly mean that it is less likely. That role increasingly looks set to fall to the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen jab.

          It too will not be troubled by the need for ultra-cold storage temperatures. Even better, it will likely be the first vaccine approved for use in Europe that involves just a single injection, greatly simplifying the logistics of a national vaccine rollout.

          According to data from the Financial Times and Duke University, the EU is among the biggest purchasers of the J&J/Janssen jab, well ahead of orders form the US, the UK and elsewhere.

          Trial data is expected within days and the vaccine is likely to secure US approval next month. The task for the EMA will be to see how far it can go to streamline its consideration of the vaccine without compromising safety and the necessary rigour of the approval process. ‘


          1. Joe F

            That’s fine Admiral Nelson, you keep cherry picking, ignoring all that’s going on around you. This working remotely from here is great, gives me a lot more freedom and time to reply to your nonsense.

          2. Charger Salmons

            Another take on the EU/AZ row from ITV’s Robert Peston’s Twitter feed.
            Again, where is the Irish journalism on this ?

            ‘ The important difference between AstraZeneca’s relationship with the UK and with the EU, and the reason it has fallen behind schedule on 50m vaccine doses promised to the EU, is that the UK agreed the deal with AZ a full three months before the EU did.
            This gave AZ an extra three months to sort out manufacturing and supply problems relating to the UK contract (there were plenty of problems).
            Here is the important timeline.
            In May AZ reached agreement with Oxford and the UK government to make and supply the vaccine.
            In fact Oxford had already started work on the supply chain.
            The following month AZ reached a preliminary agreement with Germany, the Netherlands, France and Italy, a group known as the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, based on the agreement with the UK. The announcement was 13 June.
            BUT the EU insisted that the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance could not formalise the deal. The European Commission insisted it should take over the contract negotiations on behalf of the whole EU.
            So were another two months of talks and the contract was not signed till the end of August…
            What is frustrating for AZ is that the extra talks with the European Commission led to no material changes to the contract, but wasted time on making arrangements to make the vaccine with partner sites. The yield at these partner sites has been lower than expected.
            AZ says its contract with the EU – as with the UK – was always on a “best effort” basis, because it was starting from scratch to deliver unprecedented amounts for no profit.
            AZ is not blaming the EU. But it does not understand why it is being painted as the “bad guy” given that if the deal had happened in June, when Germany, the Netherlands, France and Italy wanted it done, most of these supply issues would already have been sorted
            According to AZ, the EU claim that it pays less to AZ per dose, and that is why AZ “works harder for the UK than for the EU”, is “completely incorrect”. It charges the same price to all buyers, wherever they are in the world, subject to small adjustments due to local costs. ‘

      1. Joe F

        Well clown man, any chance of you commenting on where the UK stands on the table for deaths per million population from virus? No, of course not, you just completely ignore that because it doesn’t look good. Two and a half times the Irish rate. Admiral Nelson would be proud of that?

    3. Kingfisher


      taxi drivers
      security guards
      lorry drivers,
      care workers
      sales assistants

      Are there figures in Ireland? Taxi drivers and truckers, but not bus drivers? Sales assistants – to be expected, they talk to thousands of people every day; and of course nurses and care assistants are by definition working with infective people and infected people.
      The one that puzzles me is security guards, unless it’s the case that a lot of these are double-jobbing and it’s their second job that puts them at risk.

      1. Charger Salmons

        To be a little clearer these are very early figures from the start of the pandemic up to April 2020 and for where professions were recorded on death certificates.
        There have been around 95,000 UK deaths with C-19 recorded on death certs since then so the true figures for professions won’t be known for another year.


        1. Kingfisher

          Thanks, Charger. How odd that in this world of instant data it takes a year to sort figures from the electronic records! It’s one of the great mysteries of technology, like how my bank can snatch money out of my account within minutes, but can’t move money when I ask in less than five working days.

          1. Charger Salmons

            I’m not exactly sure about the process but Births, Marriages and Deaths are recorded locally before stats are collated on a national basis.
            I don’t think they specifically set about to record professions in a way that could provide instant data – merely these being the annual stats on deaths by profession.

        2. Joe F

          Great figures for the UK there Admiral? The 100,000 figure will be passed probably tomorrow or Wednesday. What a shocking indictment on Bozo. Still as long as Tories 1% ahead in polls that’s all that matters to you. By the way, no mention from you about the Tory leader in Wales resigning in the last few days. Just another example of you turning a blind eye to negative Tory stories. If it was the Labour leader in Wales you would have been bleating on about it old boy.

    4. Charger Salmons

      Charger’s Vax Facts™ #38

      Israel has now delivered at least one Covid-19 jab to 44% of its population.

      1. Joe F

        So much for Charger Vax Facts. Any chance of looking at facts for UK deaths from virus? Or are you in denial Admiral Nelson? I should think so. Anyway you just carry on regardless like the Daily Express, Bozo 1% ahead in the polls is much more important (leaving out his -20% approval ratings of course). UK 5th highest out of 221 countries listed for deaths per million population doesn’t bother you Admiral? Marvelous.

      1. Charger Salmons

        The German Health Ministry has knocked the story on the head.
        Seems the hack confused the 8% that refers to the number of 56 to 69 year olds in the study and not an efficacy rate of 8%.
        Face – meet egg.

        “The Federal Ministry of Health cannot confirm current reports about a lower effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

        “At first glance it seems that two things were confused in the reports: Around eight percent of the subjects in the AstraZeneca effectiveness study were between 56 and 69 years, only three to four percent over 70 years (MHRA Approval Public Assessment Report).

        “However, this does not indicate efficacy of only eight percent among older people.”

        1. Charger Salmons

          “Is it true the Oxford vaccine is only 8% effective?”
          “Well that’s hardly any better”

          I’ll get me leather trenchcoat.

          1. Joe F

            So over 100,000 dead from the virus in England & Wales. Shocking figures that you just ignore Admiral Nelson. Wonderful job your hero Bozo is doing.

        2. Joe F

          Any chance of you commenting on the death rate from virus in UK? Actually I’ve just seen updated figures – New data shows there have been 103,704 fatalities in England and Wales linked to the virus since the pandemic began.
          Figures were terrible, but these figures show an even worse situation. No chance of you updating us with this, so I will.
          You’re just incapable of posting in any other way that a Little Englander would clown man.

  2. Hank


    His soundbites always come across like an angry Irish mammy..

  3. Charger Salmons

    Boris enjoying a vaccine bounce in the polls – so much for the idea he’s a beleaguered PM under fire from all sides.
    The BOGOF Taoisigh would sell each other down the road for numbers like this.
    Oh wait …

    Westminster voting intention:
    CON: 42% (+2)
    LAB: 37% (-1)
    LDEM: 8% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)
    REFUK: 3% (+1)

    Chgs. w/ 18 Jan

    To show how hard an uphill battle Sir Kneelalot faces here are Labour’s general election results over the past 42 years:
    Lose( 165 seats behind Cons )

    Boris is box office baby.

  4. ian-oh

    Who within the 18-65 category believes they will be getting the vaccine from the government this year?

    I do not. I fully expect to have to pay privately (even though they insist that will not be the case we all know what Michael Martins promises are worth – an overflowing toilet).

    I’d imagine for the bulk of us, we will still be in lockdown this time next year.

    1. bisted

      …agree ian-oh…I live on the border and increasingly see the penny dropping regarding having the best of both worlds…despite having more vaccine options than if I was based in Dublin, I fully expect to be offered the vaccine if I’m prepared to pay…

      1. Charger Salmons

        The idea forming now that there will be no sun holidays abroad until 2022 in either the UK or Ireland is going to be hard to take.
        If people are vaccinated and the host country will accept a recent PCR test and infection rates and fatalities plummet like they did last summer I’m not sure people will be cushty with that.
        There was a second night of rioting, described by police as the worst in 40 years, in Amsterdam and several other Dutch cities last night over a 9pm curfew.
        Jeez, if I was in Amsterdam at 9pm I’d be too off my nut to go outside.

        1. Joe F

          So you just are incapable at posting anything negative about the UK clown man? Janey it sounds like Utopia the way you describe it. Funny, when you claim to be from there, that you have decided to live here in Ireland. Explain that. Silence again from Mr Nelson.

      2. VAnon ™

        Said as much on last week’s BS.tv

        Anyone one that wants it after all the O60s, Vulnerable, Underlying symptoms, Essential Workers, are complete
        And has 85 ish yoyos will get one

        My instinct is that one of other Pharmas /local Plants will produce under licence
        from Pfizer or Moderna
        Or – most likely
        Another Vaccine nearing approval stages
        say the single shot Johnsons Baby
        Will increase supply so much there isn’t enough practitioners on the Public Payroll and Volunteer rosters to staff the Vaccination centres, and keep them flowing, as such

        Already lads are asking to be added to the Vax Pack with the GPs & Pharmacists here
        So you can expect Vets & Dentists to be included by the end of the week

        By September, at the latest, I reckon anyone rolling up sleeves for their annual Flu shot will offered a Covid-19 top up
        You know like when you’re offered extra insurance when you by a fridge-freezer?

        Don’t be surprised to see those Drop in, test-your-blood-pressure -for-free caravans, or Blue Cross Converted busses and Ambulances selling flu shots + C19 Top ups in Supermarket Carparks by Halloween

    2. Broadbag

      With no underlying conditions (so far!) I think Nov/Dec if lucky but more likely early next year, there are many clusterfubbs to endure before they get down to the likes of me.

    3. Cian

      At the current rate (143,000 doses in 24 days) there would be 1,087,000 people vaccinated by year end (2 doses each). This could vaccinate everyone in Ireland that are 62-years-old and older.

      Or, considering that healthcare workers and other are getting a vaccine too, it would be the 65+ and HC workers.

      This is based on the current roll-out rate (that is limited by supply). If supply increases (which it should) they should definitely start the 18-65 group in 2021.

      1. ian-oh

        Based on the current rate it may be over 2 years before I get it. I have resigned myself to semi permanent lockdown.

        The average person will not be getting the vaccine either this year or most likely next year either.

        The HSE is not known for being either overly concerned with peoples health or efficiency and as for the current government? No confidence in either.

        1. VAnon ™

          You can also wait that same amount of time on the list for an MRI / Ultrasound

          Or you can pay for one and get an appointment within 6 weeks, or earlier if you’ve put your name on the standby cancellation

        2. Cian

          Based on the current rate it may be over 2 years before I get it.
          Based on the current rate – yes. But when the supply increases there is no reason to think that the rate won’t improve.

          (also Ireland seems to be reporting on 1st dose only – so it isn’t directly comparable with other countries that are reporting just on doses)

          1. ian-oh

            There is every reason to think this will be woefully mismanaged and that some of us will be needing a Covid 20 or 21 vaccine by the time its available.

            As I said, no confidence in either the HSE or current government.

            Expect lots and lots and lots of stories of people who are friends with the right ‘sort’ getting bumped to the head of the queue over and over and over again.

            I am genuinely considering going and trying to catch it, because there is no way I can spend another 2 years locked away like this. I’ll either catch it and recover with some sort of protection or die but at least it will be an end of sorts to it. Not joking either.

          2. Charger Salmons

            Honestly, you really,really,really don’t want to catch it.
            A good friend of mine in his late 30s caught it last year and spent 10 days in an ICU convinced he was going to die.
            Even now he can barely climb stairs without getting out of breath.
            And this is a tough mofo who ran marathons for fun and didn’t have a thing wrong with him.

          3. ian-oh

            Just because we are the ‘best’ doesn’t mean much if the rest of starting sub par.

            So yes, if I do not see access to a vaccine within the year I’ll go catch it and let the chips fall where they may. I’ve did my bit, I’ve been careful and considerate, stayed home, masked up, sanitised and distanced but its time to decide whether I want another 2 years locked away or roll the dice and see what happens. This is what I have to resort to.

            As usual, my government is nowhere to be seen when I need them. Never got anything from them I didn’t already pay for multiple times over not just for myself but probably for several others I’d imagine.

          4. ian-oh

            @Charger, good friend of mine, sounds similar to yours but in his mid 40s caught it before Christmas.

            He’s dead now.

  5. GiggidyGoo

    Outbreaks in…
    Nursing Homes
    Meat factories.

    Well, you can’t close the first two down, but the beef barons you certainly can (given that you can force builders out of a job, and they are usually in fresher air) Slaney Meats, Bunclody has an outbreak 40 odd cases, and ABP Bandon with 66. And their solution? Work on with a smaller staff. Coveney s brother needs his supplies eh?

      1. ian-oh

        Breathing is also essential. Unless you are on minimum wage and apparently operating with ineffective PPE and working conditions. Which would appear to be the case with the case numbers coming from meat processing plants.

        But hey, someone is getting rich, what’s a few immigrants clogging up the healthcare system? Plenty more immigrants (in some cases, literally floating) in the sea

          1. GiggidyGoo

            You can survive quite easily on vegetables. Meat isn’t essential. Being housed it though. It takes a mix of new housing and second hand housing.

          2. Cian

            Food is temporary; I will eat everything in the house within a few days and will then need to buy (then eat) more.

            Housing is permanent. My current dwelling will last the duration of the lockdowns.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            But you were saying that meat is essential. It’s not. Food is – meat isn’t. Housing is.

            Jesus, Cian, so many attempts to distract/divert. C’mon.

          1. Cian

            by that argument no food is essential.
            I’m sure i could find people that haven’t eaten X for 40 years (where X is each food type).

          2. GiggidyGoo

            No particular type of food, on its own, is essential. Food though, in some format, is essential. Why are you trying to distract, divert etc?
            Don’t be going down the Charger ‘write to annoy’ road for gods sake.

  6. Commenter #1


    Called it!

    13’15” of Tomorrow Tonight: Bodg…John Ryan- “…a lot of the skeptics would say…”.

    The old plausible deniability is important to maintain.

    Why do I do this to myself?


  7. Dr.Fart

    I cant believe theyre still only in “talks” stages of how to handle border travel. It’s nearly a FULL YEAR! Varadkars reasons for not doing it last night were pathetic. “It’s a huge operation” .. yea, the rest of us work hard, no reason why you shouldn’t, it’s been 9 years in Government, probably due a bit of graft. flute.

  8. Gabby

    So New Ross hits the news with a mysterious spiritual image on a wall. Has dear Banksy ‘turned’ and made a discreet visit to the Wexford town? Maybe he’ll head for Ballinspittle next.

      1. Crocodile Dundalk

        “Everyone’s at it mate”

        No they’re not. Only countries beholden to Israel and Saudi Arabia are.

    1. Charger Salmons

      You think mortality rates in the UK or Ireland are something to joke about ?
      There’s already one idiot who does that on here every day.
      Stay classy.

  9. Joe F

    Oh you’re getting very sensitive altogether Admiral Nelson. Am I beginning to annoy you? You’re such a hypocrite (plus racist). You keep bleating on about the lack of vaccines administered here, in Europe, etc. You’ve no bother joking about that clown man. Bit of the old double standards there old boy.
    Anyway, since you brought up mortality rates, let’s discuss them. The good old UK have now surpassed 100,000 deaths. A terrible statistic and not one I have any pleasure in writing about – in general discussion. However, in the context of all the nonsense you post, clown man, I reserve the right to use it to counter your bile. And you better get used to it old sport. Some people on here are suggesting I (and others) should just ignore you. I would agree with them in most circumstances, but I’ve decided by man marking you, I will get up your nose more.
    You are a nasty piece of work. Absolutely disgraceful what you posted a while back. While defending the crime rate in the UK, you stated that most of it was carried out by blacks and other immigrants. Unlike your “Charger Vax Facts” they are facts, check the history on here. You can’t press Ctrl & Z and undo a comment like that.
    I shall await your reply with interest. Oh wait……

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