Yesterday.
An exchange between Republican Senator Rand Paul and chief medical advisor to the American President Dr. Anthony Fauci (top) at a US Senate health committee hearing
The pair clashed over whether funding from the National Institutes of Health was used for “gain-of-function” research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The institute, located just miles from the market where the first COVID-19 outbreak was detected, previously received funding from Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Questions remain about the origins of the coronavirus and the ‘lab leak hypothesis’ – that the virus resulted from experiments in the Wuhan lab that ‘accidentally spilled over’.
Fauci and Rand Paul clash over NIH funding for Wuhan Institute of Virology (Axios)
Meanwhile…
I have the data that shows Fauci and NIAID did pay for gain-of-function research and the papers to show it. https://t.co/OVb4CVIK9M
— Dr Richard M Fleming (@Doctor_I_am_The) May 11, 2021
There is no actual proof that the virus ever came from a wet market. Nor did they find the animal they suspected of carrying the virus. This story was all inflated by the CCP and US news media ran with it because they hated what Trump was doing, calling it Kung Flu or whatever. Hating Trump because he is an idiot is not good enough reason to promote lies and cover ups by the CCP. Trump was lied to in person by president Xi, and was dumb enough to believe him back in February 2020.
It came from a Wuhan viral Lab and Fauci is now in trouble for lying about it.
There is no actual proof that the virus ever came from the Wuhan viral lab.
Look harder. I will post links to journalists who have been following this. In the meantime look up Josh Rogin, a Washington journalist, specialist in Asian matters, exposing what is going on between China and the rest of the worlds investigations. He did a huge expose interview on Joe Rogan 2 weeks ago. It was incredible!
Here is news show Rising discussing the Lab leak theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pk0wLN5uuU&ab_channel=TheHill
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No evidence, just a talking head.
Why don’t you look up the scientists and journalists mentioned in the video, then see what you find? If you are sleepy take a nap.
Because I’m too busy. Most of the time when I do follow a document it is either published anonymously or not peer-reviewed. Or if it is reliable it has been completely taken out of context, or says the complete opposite of that they said in the video (I’m looking at you Ivor Cummins)
On of the things in that video accused Dr. Fauci funding “gain-of-function” research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We have Dr. Fauci (above) saying that it isn’t true.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ who do i believe? and why would I waste my time chasing alleged evidence.
There is no actual proof YET that the virus ever came from the Wuhan viral lab.
ftfy
There is no actual proof YET that the virus ever came from a wet market.
ftfy
if any actual proof does emerge that the virus came from a wet market, i’ll eat my pangolin.
According to many scientists who specialize in this, the lab leak is the most likely theory. They say one look at the virus under a microscope shows that it was not naturally occurring, it was tampered with and enhanced min a lab.
We do not have the undeniable proof yet because the CCP spent an entire year cleaning up the scene of the crime before allowing international investigators to examine! Such a farce. Imagine a police force in charge of a murder crime scene doing this?
Really? because according to many, many, many other scientists there is no evidence for man-made tampering in the virus.
Here is just one article:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-origins-misinformation-yan-report-fact-check-cvd
@Cian
Do you think it is easy to find the evidence after an illegal cover up by China? Think about it, it will take time. Finding the direct quotes from the scientists that I am thinking of will take time. Too busy in work today. One National Geographic article does not close the issue at all.
Why would China do this and not let in investigators right away? Because they are guilty of not only this cover up, but kidnapping and disappearing several citizen journalists in Wuhan. Do you trust the CCP?
The difficulty of obtaining the evidence is not itself evidence. Not trusting the CCP is not license to give credence to every single nefarious act they might possibly be covering up.
@Junkface
the evidence is in the virus – not in some files in a lab.
More on this story. The former head of the CDC in the US, Dr. Robert Redfield believes that the virus escaped from a lab in wuhan IS the most likely explanation we have.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/03/26/sanjay-gupta-exclusive-robert-redfield-coronavirus-opinion-origin-sot-intv-newday-vpx.cnn
Also Nicholas Wade, the science writer / editor for Nature and Science magazine. Here is a video going through the further revelations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG7Kxbfp5Oc&ab_channel=TheJimmyDoreShow
..and some people here accuse you of being an hysterical loon for following the logic of deduction and most likely scenario. Eh Rob G?
You present more on the story, this time from the former head of the CDC confirming the lab leak theory and what do you get from all of the clever clogs from 2 days ago?
Tumbleweeds…… [wind howling effect]
From Cian
@Junkface
“the evidence is in the virus – not in some files in a lab.”
Are you sure you understand the concept of crime scenes and forensic evidence? Of course there is evidence to be found at the lab right after the leak. If a country like China, a communist police state, covers up the whole event, not just wiping the lab of evidence, but also arresting ANY citizen journalists in Wuhan. There was 5 or 6 of these people in total, 4 men, 2 women. They had recorded video outside the lab, outside hospitals, all on their phones and posted it online. They were immediately kidnapped by the police, never to be seen again.
Also the former CDC head Dr. Robert Redfield, a respected and qualified virologist thinks that after studying the virus under a microscope that it did not occur naturally, it has been engineered, possibly starting as a corona virus sample from a bat, but advanced further in a lab.
‘US news media ran with it because they hated what Trump was doing,’
This makes no sense whatsoever. What Trump was doing was trying to deflect attention from his disastrous mishandling of the virus, which had nothing to do with whether the virus came from a wet market or came from a lab. Also, there is no actual evidence that the virus came from a lab.
There is no actual evidence of a virus.
FIFY
Ther is no evidence.
FFS
Of course Trump was trying to deflect. He’s an incompetent idiot. He actually asked president Xi for his honest explanation of the virus. Xi told him it was not even airborne!
Establishment went against the lab theory purely because they do the opposite of Trump, for narrative reasons, not truth.
They went against the lab theory because there was and is no evidence to support a lab theory. For your absurd claim to be correct ‘the establishment’ would have to have denied the virus originated in China. Did Trump ever actually claim it was leaked from a lab? How often did he make such a claim? When did he make it? It must have been early and often for it to have influenced the ‘establishment’ in the way you say.
I take back what I said earlier – JunkFace, you are a hysterical loon.
Well fupping duh
It takes one to know one though
Come on Rob G! Watch this story unravel over the next year. What is hysterical about how any of this unfolded? Why did everyone accept the bat or pangolin theory in the wet market? Zero proof for that, and as mentioned finding diseased animals who spread viruses to humans is usually quite straight forward.
What do you have Rob G? What is your explanation for any of this covid 19 outbreak? Labs leak viruses all of the time, human error. The more viruses humans collect, the more likely they will be accidentally leaked.
Every major infectious disease affecting humans over the past 10,000+ years has been zoonotic in origin. It’s you that is making the extraordinary claim, you’re the one that needs to bring the extraordinary evidence.
See my post below Rob G. If you are not prepared to even listen to experts in this area (Josh Rogin on Joe Rogans podcast) then don’t be surprised when the story takes drastic turns that you did not know about.
I am not a journalist, or employed as one. It’s not my job to provide evidence. I did however mention new information I have learned on the subject (from Josh Rogin) in the comments section, in order to have a grown up discussion about how this story is evolving, why did this happen? And how do we stop this happening again? But sure…. call someone a loon because you are not up to speed with the latest developments.
so, what you are saying is that I should disregard the opinion of all of medicine and life sciences practitioners, because you heard some bloke on Joe Rogan’s podcast…
If you are not prepared to even listen to experts in this area (Josh Rogin on Joe Rogans podcast) then don’t be surprised when the story takes drastic turns that you did not know about.
Josh Rogin isn’t an expert. He’s a journalist.
@Cian
“Josh Rogin isn’t an expert. He’s a journalist.”
He’s a journalist who is an expert on Asian affairs, mainly China and Japan but also North Korea. He has also advised presidents in the White house. See, when people talk in long interviews, they cite many different people for opinions they formed, or research they have seen. In this case Josh Rogin reported from scientists in working in Wuhan, scientists from MIT Boston etc. Like I said, if you don’t listen to the information in interviews on certain topics, you will not have a clue what the latest advances on the story are.
And any person who trusts information from the CCP is gullible idiot. They are committing a genocide right now in western China against the Uighurs. Honestly, who the F*** does that in the 21st Century?? Communists with no respect for human rights, or human life. End of.
There are two different ‘lab leak hypothesis’.
1) the Wuhan lab collected a naturally occurring corona virus to study it. This natural virus leaked¹ into the Wuhan population (and to the world)
2) the Wuhan lab collected a naturally occurring corona virus to study it. The lab performed “gain-of-function” research and made the virus worse. This engineered virus leaked into the Wuhan population (and to the world)
¹If this was an accidental leak or not is a different question.
Is there not a third – as in the Wuhan Lab manufactured a non-naturally occurring corona virus – to study it and see what uses could be made of it?
What kind of uses would that be, do you think? Because I genuinely can’t think of any.
Me neither, apart from say, Biological weapons? Who knows. https://www.forbes.com/sites/coronavirusfrontlines/2020/08/21/a-defense-expert-explores-whether-the-covid-19-coronavirus-makes-a-good-bioweapon/?sh=7cf314c67ece
Biological warfare is nonsense, imo.
Trying to weaponise a virus or an illness makes no sense as trying to control it (and spread of it) is impossible. How could it be deployed with any effectiveness at all? How do you control who picks it up? How do you stop it from spreading beyond those you’re attempting use it on? There are far too many variables at play, too many loose ends for that to be a viable suggestion, for me anyways.
That’s a very interesting article, though. I only had the chance to skim through it but look forward to having a proper read later.
P.S. Have you seen Utopia? Well worth the watch. The UK one, not the US remake.
They may not have thought out the final use etc. There wouldn’t be anything stopping them developing something that the timing, or application wouldn’t be fully thought out at a given point in time. As long as the funding for scientific research can cover up the real intent.
Foil hat now put away.
I’ll look up Utopia tonight.
https://youtu.be/uJnN3WMwDsk
It’s amazing. I suspect you’ll very much enjoy it.
I did the politics of nuclear weapons in college and the MAD policy, mutually assured destruction, was what sparked the cold war arms race. And still does. If you f with me, I’ll make sure we all go.
Totally nuts, but that’s what these lads play with. You can’t risk attacking if you know the other side will just press the suicide button.
They all have a lab somewhere doing stupid crap.
So far as I know, the Wuhan lab collects viruses that originate in bats in the north of China. Under the “Gain of Function” virus control program. USA and Russia also do this with viruses. The Chinese scientists engineered more features into the virus as they did to many other corona viruses, in order to find a vaccine for the stronger viruses, meaning that when the weaker natural corona viruses got transferred from bats to the local people, the vaccine would be strong enough to handle a range of corona viruses. The flaw in this program is that viruses always get leaked by someone accidentally in the lab.
Check out #1640 Josh Rogin’s interview on Joe Rogan, he goes through a lot of this in detail for 3 hours.
The idea that I have three hours to listen something, anything, made me laugh ;)
Thanks for the clarification though JF. I find it hard to believe that the virus leaked from a lab, simply because as far as I know(?) there’s no precedent for it. That said, it absolutely would not surprise me to find out the Chinese had attempted to cover up such an incident. They certainly have form for it.
@GiggidyGoo
That is the same as my #2. They don’t create viruses from scratch – they start with a natural occurring virus and modified it.
Slightly different to ‘to study it’ though. If they modified it, then they would have ‘created’ a new and non-naturally occurring final virus.
If it was a “naturally occurring virus” it can’t escape, it’s already out there, so by definition it’s not that. It could be a naturally-occurring recombinant of another of the 4 endemic Coronaviruses but if it’s been isolated & had it’s genome sequenced, we’d know it’s ancestry or the presence of Incompatible Phylogenetic relationships within the RNA structure would be observed, indicating lab origin. I’ve not really searched for this information but it’s not being widely disseminated, for some reason. HCoV-HKU1, a common Coronavirus, which came out of Shenzen, China (about 1,000 km due South of Wuhan) in 2004 also had indicators of lab origin, being closely-related to the mouse Hepatitis virus. If I was a betting man, I would say Sars02 came from a lab, as no evidence has been found of the weaker variants which would’ve preceeded this strain. Then again, while our governments believed China’s fake clips of people falling dead in the streets & followed them into lockdown, I’m not so naive & I don’t trust anything they say. In 1981 Horsepox, the equine version of Smallpox, was eliminated & the virus became extinct. In the early 2000s it was recreated in a lab & live virus is still held in, hopefully secure, labs. Manufacturing viruses in a lab is not science fiction, it’s actually being done on a daily basis to use viruses as vectors in treating Chronic Illnesses. It’s entirely feasable that Sars02 & indeed HKU1 came out of labs.
I remember over a year ago bringing up this same story about Fauci, NIAID, the Wuhan lab, and also the danger that so called ‘gain-of-function’ research posed to the world.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/05/01/fridays-papers-31/#comment-2192132
Someone responded with “poo-stirring with your conspri fruit bat and nut gobspoo-ery as usual”. Par for the course.
Now the likes of the Wall Street Journal are covering it in an article from last week entitled “China, Fauci and the Origins of Covid”
Quote:
“In an exhaustive account of the viral possibilities published this week by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Nicholas Wade argues that the Chinese lab is the most likely source of the world-wide agony.
Left-leaning journalists who don’t like where this story is going may struggle to dismiss the author given his establishment credentials. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists describes him this way:
Nicholas Wade is a science writer, editor, and author who has worked on the staff of Nature, Science, and, for many years, the New York Times.”
The WSJ article links to Nicholas Wade’s piece.
Wade: ” it seems to me that proponents of lab escape can explain all the available facts about SARS2 considerably more easily than can those who favor natural emergence.”
Worth a read to understand why he believes this:
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
Wow some of the headlines from 1 May 2020 haven’t aged well.
The Guardian (and all the UK papers): “We are the peak of this disease, says Johnson”
27,000 dead back then. Currently they are at 127,000.:-(