Warning issued to ‘rogue operators’ in hospitality industryhttps://t.co/Hs4etYpz3r
— Adrian Cummins 🇮🇪🇪🇺 (@adriancummins) July 20, 2021
Rogue operators” who “step out of line” from government guidelines to stop the unvaxxed from entering restaurants will be closed down immediately, Adrian Cummins (above) chief executive of the Restaurants Association of Ireland warned earlier
Absolutely disgusted driving to work now. An association threatening its own members if they don’t implement policies almost every bar & restaurant disagrees with
I can not do this on my own. Your silence to date is exactly why we are here now
You simply must stand up now!
— Paul Treyvaud (@PaulTreyvaud) July 20, 2021
This morning/afternoon.
Meanwhile..
Representatives from the restaurant and bar sector will this evening meet Government officials as work continues on guidelines ahead of the anticipated reopening of indoor hospitality next week.
The question of whether or not there will be time limits on the indoor service in bars and restaurants will be examined.
The issue of social distancing requirements, along with air ventilation measures, are also up for discussion.
The expectation within Government currently is that indoor hospitality will reopen next week for fully vaccinated people and those who have recovered from Covid-19.
This is contingent on President Michael D Higgins signing the necessary legislation, which was passed by the Dáil and Seanad last week.
Talks on reopening indoor dining for fully vaccinated (RTÉ)
Warning issued to ‘rogue operators’ in hospitality industry (Irish Times)
“Recovered from covid” Maybe I missed it but who gives out the recovery cert?? GPs I see are not keen. How do you prove you had COVID if you got it from a partner who was diagnosed positive but you never got formally tested. These rules are becoming nonsensical now.
You can’t prove you had Covid because you didn’t get tested.
Perhaps you just had man-flu.
What if you got a private sector test, like hundreds of thousands of people have so far, and tested positive? How is the HSE going to verify that?
They aren’t. Why should they?
Why shouldn’t they?
Yes its not like this is the HSE’s idea or anything- so anyone who didn’t get tested by them can just go sit outside so.
Clueless incompetence doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Because they’ve promised to issue covid recovered certificates to anyone who tested positive, to allow them to dine indoors?
Nothing to do with the HSE
https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1417511380840820736
Well I’ “recovered” from Covid in January. But apparently my antibodies and T cells stopped working last month as I passed the 6 month threshold. (Yay Science)
Ah well, looks like forging of the the super secure Covid pass is in order. I just need a photocopier to implement my cunning plan. Muhahahahaha!
I “Recovered” From Covid And I Didn’t Even Get A Stupid T-Shirt.
https://youtu.be/s29RKnB7l7o
Paul Treyvaud is just another empty vessel, throwing a tantrum into the void. Didn’t he say he was opening on July 1st “no matter what”?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/chef-says-he-will-open-his-restaurant-on-july-1st-no-matter-what-1.4492285
Brilliant title!
Cummins association can’t close down a business. And an association supporting an ‘imperfect’ bill to the detriment of its members doesn’t bode well for him.
The gumph on their website…
‘The Restaurants Association of Ireland was formed in 1970 with the initial goal of forming a strong lobby that would represent the industry at Government level on issues of importance to the Irish restaurant industry.’
The Independent has a different story. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/restaurant-body-files-lawsuit-against-state-over-discriminatory-indoor-dining-rules-40556391.html
So, which is true?
I was gonna say. How can they close anything down?
They’re just an association. What a tool he is
yup
open up a so much as a coffee stand and yer mans sales rep will start cold calling you on a daily basis lol
a clever aggressive “annual fees” style sales and marketing wheeze
nothing more nothing less
Protection money, packaged as goodies.
ah the oul “Restaurants Association Of Ireland”
a unelected unmandated construct that just turned up one day looking for a problem (and fees) that didn’t exist and now find themselves at the centre of a national narrative
you’d swear they were the ITGWU the way they’re banging on…but they’re not, lol
Cummins was out when the mask “guidelines” started too, telling everyone unmasked customers would not be welcome in any of “their [RAI]” restaurants. Doin’ a grand job for the State authorities – not so sure about for his clients though, who pay their subs to cover his salary.
*checks comment section to see who’s attempting to defend the indefensible*
Ah yes the usual suspects at it again: glib replies, ad homiimen attacks. Same old same old..
But why is it indefensible? You may not agree with it but you understand the rationale. Just because you label it indefensible doesn’t mean it is. The UK, Benelux and France are all going the way of vaccine passes so it is not like Ireland is an outlier or the Irish hospitality industry alone will have to impose these rules. The govt clearly need the association on board to implement these rules. According to recent data covid spreads more rapidly among the unvaccinated which could take up hospital space. Those claiming to be “freedom fighters” are the ones we need to protect from themselves and the harm they could do to others. Vaccinated mixing in doors poses far less of a threat, add in the unvaccinated and they will not only infect each other but also some of the vaccinated (but fewer than if they were not vaccinated).
I don’t honestly know if the association is going to shut operators (do they have that power?) or is he passing on a message? Do you or someone else want the association to rail against public health measures that are understandable?
“But why is it indefensible?”
Because what’s happening here is more in line with a totalitarian police state. It’s the antithesis of liberal democratic society when the state is attempting to coerce the public into having an experimental medical procedure in order to partake in everyday public life.
“According to recent data covid spreads more rapidly among the unvaccinated which could take up hospital space.”
This is just a regurgitated politicised pseudo-scientific narrative. If the vulnerable are already vaccinated, why would those who aren’t vulnerable take up hospital space? Are you implying the vaccines don’t work? We can’t lose sight of the fact that for the vast majority of the public, Covid-19 ranges from mild symptoms to none at all.
And yet you provide no evidence that covid does not spread more rapidly amongst the unvaccinated. Greater covid spread among the unvaccinated is observed across many countries. Forgive me for the assumption, but I assume you are one of these types against the “mainstream media” (I never understood why people write MSM when mainstream is one word) but here you go:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/unvaccinated-are-new-vulnerable-reid-warns-as-delta-variant-prompts-case-surge-1.4622194
It is not just Ireland and that can be observed across several territories.
Totalitarian state? Are you talking about the public health measures? No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. It is not be an experimental medical procedure, there is no procedure. It is not a lobotomy.
I know you really want me to say that vaccines don’t work. I know but I am sorry… Look at the evidence. They do. I can’t say they don’t work because that would be false. They work, look at the numbers across so many countries. It is just a fact. Will their effectiveness remain the same – I don’t know. Will a new variant emerge that is resistant – I don’t know.
But no one said they eradicate covid. Great numbers of unvaccinated indoors/large numbers/inclosed spaces can still pose a threat (less so than before) to the vaccinated and an even greater one to themselves.
F_lawless, you are not the downtrodden, you are not a victim of discrimination or a totalitarian state, your choice to live in fantasy land that this virus does not exist or does not spread more rapidly and can still impact the vaccinated has consequences. You are not a freedom fighter. You disagree with public health measures. You know that these public health measures have a basis in rationale. You have vaccine hesitancy which is completely fair and your choice. But the public health measures are to protect against the virus.
The person who it is most difficult to argue with here is Micko. He wants to see the long-term impacts of the vaccine and that is fair but as far as I can see he accepts that comes with consequences. Be like Micko, he doesn’t want to take the vaccine either but he doesn’t portray himself as a member of the French Resistance.
You sound hopelessly naive . I’m not going to waste my time responding to much of what you wrote. To be frank, your comments read as though they’re coming from the mind of a juvenile trying to sound like an adult.
I asked ” Are you implying the vaccines don’t work?” To challenge the illogical nature of your stance. If we go by the assumption that the vaccines are effective, then, considering that the vast majority of vulnerable people are already vaccinated, who is going to take up more hospital space, as you say? The younger section of the population and aren’t suddenly at significant risk to Covid-19 as much as the likes of Paul Reid tries to spin it.
Also it’s a fallacious argument to say that what’s happening is justified on that basis that similar things are afoot in other countries. Liberal democratic societies around the world are being systematically eroded.
As Jonathan Sumption, ex-UK Supreme court judge, put it in a piece titled “Liberal democracy will be the biggest casualty of this pandemic”:
“Liberal democracy breaks down when frightened majorities demand mass coercion of their fellow citizens, and call for our personal spaces to be invaded. These demands are invariably based on what people conceive to be the public good. They all assert that despotism is in the public interest…
..Many people believe that it is OK to be like China for a time, because when the crisis ends we can go back to being like Britain again. These people are making a serious mistake. We cannot switch in and out of totalitarianism at will. Because a free society is a question of attitude, it is dead once the attitude changes.”
“ The person who it is most difficult to argue with here is Micko.”
You should meet my wife… she never has any problem – on any subject! ;)
But yeah. Again I’m deferring the whole thing two years.
And I’m going to be keeping a close eye on Israel and their birth rate. They’ve jabbed the most young folk so far.
Once I see that there are no issues and their birth rate doesn’t fall off a fecking cliff I’ll consider the vaccine. Around 2023 I think.
But I wouldn’t take ANY new drug that I didn’t know the long term effects of.
Oh and it not just that I don’t WANT to take it. I shouldn’t NEED to take it as I’ve already beaten Covid and my immune system has learned how to beat it. (T shirt in the post)
A fact the Irish government seems to have ignored (yay science)
Micko, I actually find your commentary really boring, and infuriating, I would not even bother arguing with you, at least f_lawless puts up the odd source for us to evaluate, and a lot of the time, the argument they make is plausible, even if the actual evidence for it is whimsical whereas you are the equivalent of every boring oul fella down the pub with a story to tell, (if you let him)
anyway…i’m sure you are nice lad in real life … at least for the first pint of scrumpy, after that I am fairly sure I would be looking at my watch….or remembering that I left the bun in the oven…
Yeah ok dude. This is the second post just this morning you’ve tried this with me.
I know you REALLY want this back and forth between us to happen.
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Psss… It’s not gonna happen. You don’t really have any opinion on anything.
‘Are you implying the vaccines don’t work?’
Why do people who ask this question or variations of this question enjoy showing that they either don’t know how the vaccines are said to work, or are pretending not to know? Which makes you wonder how much of their position on the whole covid issue is based on deliberate selective ignorance or a pretence of ignorance.
The data from Israel would appear to show the vaccines don’t work
https://twitter.com/subwave/status/1414632962767917058
Data from CSO shows COVID numbers are essentially fake news anyway.
2020 was a record breaking year for mortality in Ireland. In fact, a government report shows that some of last year’s rates were the lowest of all time.
Every May, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) publishes its Vital Statistics Yearly Summary. This report contains data about births, deaths and marriages in Ireland for the previous calendar year. However, since this year’s edition (containing data for 2020) was published on 28th May, there has been a distinct lack of interest shown by the normally enthusiastic news services.
Usually Ireland’s media is delighted to give coverage to one of the CSO’s most popular titles, with most outlets carrying at least one piece about it each year. However, the Yearly Summary for 2020 has been mostly ignored: neither RTE nor the Irish Times, for example, ran their customary pieces about the report this year.
Considering the latest Yearly Summary contains the most comprehensive data currently available about mortality in Ireland for last year, the first year of the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic, this lack of interest is curious to say the least.
Full details / analysis here: https://notesfromthenewnormal.com/?p=559
Draw your own conclusions as to why the MSM ignored it.