From top: EU Covid Cert; Junior minister Ossian Smyth
This afternoon.
Via Irish Examiner:
There will be a “continuing requirement” on people to provide proof of vaccine status for at least another year, a Government minister has indicated.
Minister of State Ossian Smyth has said the EU’s Digital Covid Cert scheme is due to expire at the end of June 2022, but he expects it will be required beyond that.
“I think that there will be a continuing requirement for vaccination status, if not in Ireland, certainly to travel. And what we have seen with the Delta threat is that a new variant can emerge without warning which is stronger or more contagious and requires new vaccinations to deal with it. So with that in mind, I would expect the Covid certification is going to continue.”
Proof of vaccine status likely to be in place for at least another year (Irish Examiner)
The EU Digital Cert was in the pipeline long before CoVid-19. They merely used the pandemic as an excuse to speed up its rollout. Even if Covid-19 disappeared tomorrow the EU Digital Cert will remain, because its purpose is far more than just CoVid-19.
Whiter it continues to be abused in a way which it was never intended by the Irish government, is another story.
It must be very difficult to live life thinking that everything that happens is part of some big conspiracy set up by the new world order to control your life.
So why keep it? Because something bad may (or may not) happen at sometime in the future?
This is BS
+1 des
What are you afraid of?
ugh. sorry but it’s comment like this that really boils my p*** sometimes
same smartarsed zerosum quipology as a certain other commenter resorts to on here regularly
I think you’re smarter than that realPolithicks
I’m here to advise you that feature creep is entirely possible with a system such as this one and may very well result in abuse of it’s original stated purpose – advance concern, close monitoring and awareness about these matters and the possible exploits against civil liberties within are pretty vital healthy discussion actually
Why do you think that the Irish government would want to continue these restrictions for any longer than necessary?
Why do none of you conspiracy theorists ever answer this question? You seem convinced that the Irish government wants to continue “controlling” peoples lives and movement after the virus subsides, what is this fear based on?
Because they’re making a fortune.
The tender process was paused at the start of covid, allowing the Irish government to give tenders to whoever they want. Mates, themselves, companies they have shares in – who knows.
Also Ireland’s GDP was the only one in Europe to grow in 2020. Thanks to our tech companies, pharmaceutical and medical device companies.
Covid suits us very much.
It’s big business. Also, not a conspiracy. It’s been covered in mainstream news.
I presume that’s for me realPolithicks?
I can’t reply so quickly as many of youse on here because I have a busy house. Junkface had a pretty good reply there.
my simple #1 rule when it comes to your digital footprint – ZERO TRUST. I trust myself, I trust my immediate family, everything else is up for grabs, the State comes near the bottom of the list along with ze stereotypical hacker baddies from movies ;) so I’m sure as hell not going to help arm them with sophisticated digital weaponry, am I?
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, more I’m a hardened cynic, not based off stuff I’ve read but stuff I’ve seen and touched, you’ll just have to take my word for that. I don’t want to be surveilled for any reason and by anyone, I don’t want a future system arbitrarily influencing my life and I believe it’s vital that we resist complete digitization of our lives. at it’s most fundamental level its binary, correct? one or zero. black or white. you’ve seen how polarised things go. human life is analogue not digital. the digital world is just tooling, lets keep it that way please.
(massive simplification) much of the IT community is rooted in understanding 3 versions of platform…the previous version, current version and next upcoming version. well I’m thinking past that upcoming version. you probably know that AI/ML can do some impressive things with a lake of data today. we can already reach reasonably accurate conclusions using seemingly disconnected unrelatable data. well you ain’t seen nothing yet. meanwhile humans aren’t necessarily compatible with that. do you look forward to a time where the RSA revokes your driving licence at 63 years of age due to “safety concerns” the system calculated for you? have you ever tried to have a reasonable argument with a computer? you know how it goes.
as for the State and Government, you know what these constructs are already capable of doing to it’s citizens, you see on a daily basis what self-interested parties inside the tent get to do at your expense….exploitation of digital systems for personal benefit comes in lots of different shapes, I’ve seen all sorts already in my professional life. buy into a complete digitization of your life and you are owned. period.
disappointing
but I have your number now
I’ve seen some good discussions on this topic on the Triggernometry youtube channel. I agree that controlling the population in the internet and AI facial recognition technology age is worrying idea. We can see how to successfully run a police state like in China, and it seems like a nightmare as they have a social credit system. I’m not a fan of the system in Germany either, where you must register your address each time you move with the local gov’t agency. Disputes over bills with energy or communication companies can harm your (financial record) ability to rent a new apartment or house, even if you are in the right! It seems to put power into the hands of very big corporations, crushing the little guys rights. It’s troubling. I think we are at a crossroads in civil rights/human rights. I got vaccinated fully, I think that people should.
We are at risk of handing too much control over to the political class. Governments and ideologies can change quickly, everyones data is floating around on google and apple apps. It only takes a few Putins, Orbans or Trumps to start using people’s data against them.
The truth is that tech companies have too much power, they need to be turned into essential services like electricity companies. People’s entire careers depend on them. There is a lot of work to do, to clean up this mess and give the public some peace of mind.
good comment
“ they need to be turned into essential services like electricity companies.”
This ^ ^ ^
The whole place is a disaster because of social media and these companies.
Italy were using vaccine passports as far back as the 1700s. Even then the EU plot was in motion.
So what’s it’s purpose according to you?
I honestly don’t know but what rankles with me is they way in which this Smyth cowboy is attempting to say that it is all about CoVid-19- it isn’t.
EU Digital Certs were planned years ago- fact.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/10/07/whyisthistrending/#comment-2250774
Here’s an old comment of mine proposing an explanation for what’s now coming to pass.
Further responses are worth reading too from E’Matty.
October 2020:
‘I agree with what Cummins says in the video but I think there must be a further element to the situation to explain why the government have continued down this path despite it causing so much damage to the economy.
Since initially being spooked into putting the country into lockdown, I think they’ve been swept up into a larger collective plan by the transnational capitalist elite class to use the pandemic to radically re-shape the world’s economies. They openly call it the “Great Reset” over on their Weforum website (although it’s of course portrayed as a wonderful solution to meet the current challenges faced by humanity)
According to what I’ve read, part of the plan involves putting populations under hitherto-never-seen levels of surveillance. The end goal will be to digitally monitor all aspects of a person’s life, of entire populations, in order to predict future behavior and control outcomes. Huge profits will be extracted by trading on these future outcomes.
I suspect at a certain point early on in the pandemic the government committed to getting the Irish population to opt in to “digital health passports” which is a fundamental first step in the wider “Great Reset” plan. In the early days,with fear levels at their highest, it may have seemed a readily attainable goal but as the pandemic waned things have become more complicated.
Perhaps the government has been assured of continued access to loan funding as long as they stay on board with the program which now seems to have taken the form of grinding everyone down until, with a bit of nudging, a majority readily opt in to these “digital passports”. The passports will be increasingly touted as the way back to a sense of normality for society…’
For travelling abroad – fine.
Each country can set their own conditions for entry. That’s their right.
Domestically, It’s already falling apart.
I’ve been in several pubs and restaurants over the last while with no cert and no problem. The Irish are too chilled for this crap.
I’ve heard from friends who have been “asked” for theirs, that most places aren’t even scanning them anymore, you could show them any old QR code on your phone. With the exception of meeting one or two little hitlers I’ve heard.
Box ticking exercise as predicted.
Thought this was very funny though.
https://twitter.com/JosephMcgucken/status/1423986573687803905?s=20
Excellent. :-)
Totally agree with insistence on Digital Cert for travel – I’ll be using mine soon for this very reason! Nationally, I am not too fussed. My local hostelry does scan rigourously but all this will soon be very moot and very unnecessary.
Richard Chambers tweeted the latest figures for vaccine uptake. Even I am surprised at these figures.
Massive
18 – 29 – 78%
30 – 39 – 86%
40 – 49 – 90%
50 – 59 – 95%
60 – 69 – 96%
70 – 79 – 99%
80+ – 99%
He doesn’t sound like he wants them to expire in year. Like our ever-renewing lockdown legislation. Says it all really.
Having committed to taking millions more jabs from Pfizer .. they have to keep some way of coercing people to use them.
I guess the threat of catching covid, risking serious illness or death isn’t incentive enough to take a vaccine?
not really it appears, given the calls to vaccinate to “protect others”. Most I know who have gotten it got it “to travel”, or to be able to attend their babies birth in hospital (quite a few of these, lots of friends having babies at the moment), or at their parents behest to “protect them” from infection. Almost no young people I know are getting it as a result of any fear of personal danger from the virus.
“Almost no young people I know are getting it as a result of any fear of personal danger from the virus.”
No, because, unless there are underlying conditions, there is little personal danger. They are getting it because they recognise that if you are part of a society, you have responsibilities to that society. Just as that society has responsibilities to you.
Does those ‘responsibilities’ include being forced into a global medical experiment with unapproved medical compounds?
Is this an anti-vax news site or something?
It didn’t used to be, it used to be a funny entertaining site with interesting posts but they’ve gone down the conspiracy rabbit hole and well, you can see the results.
That’s a nonsense comment.
Thank you both.
I came to have a read of Aoife’s poetry, which is lovely, and browsed a few of the articles here. A number of them seem to carry a strong anti-vaccine sentiment, or at the very least (going by comments) a narrative which seems to lean towards that of the conspiracy theory, and thought I would ask.
Man On Fire, may I ask why you feel the above comment is nonsense? Thank you in advance.
it’s a nonsense comment because it’s replete with conditioned terms like “anti vaxxer” and “conspiracy theorist”, which are derogatory terms used to denigrate and demonise anyone who deviates from the “Official narrative” on anything. Thaolidomide victims, Valproate victims, Pandemrix victims would all be called conspiracy theorists and fools for daring to claim their meidciation had caused such harm. Now, unless you believe that the State and Officialdom have an actual monopoly on truth and facts, this is a ridiculous position to hold in any democracy. If you disagree with the State you are automatically wrong and must be condemned and socially excluded. Where have we seen this kind of behaviour before?