As much as he was an absolute pill, I do miss Charger in some ways as we could all lay into the UK over Afghanistan and he would fight the good fight to try to defend the indefensible. I think everyone pretty much just agrees about it so it ends up being an echo chamber.
So will we all kill each other over vaccines and covid?
I could try to be Charger for a day. He did something stupid with commas if I remember. And he would call people “wet” which I never understood. And he created that fake woman to compliment himself.
Actually no, covid is better.
Cú Chulainn
Marvellous…
Steph Pinker
Haroo, have you bothered to read the front pages of the newspapers?
Get a life.
Man On Fire
Brilliant Steph as always..
Agnes
No strings attached.
Eres El Haroo … con la caricatura…. La “H”…..etc?
Not so full. If it does happen, the decision would apply to people 16 and older.
Man On Fire
Lol @ Oro,
If you bothered to look through the Google hits for Pfizer approval you’ll see their media machine trying to bully the fda into fully approving it every single month of this year so far.
Still on emergency approval pending review.
Mr. T
I think their indemnity for the shot would be gone if the vaccine got full approval?
Clampers Outside
The first couple of shots done were under the indemnity so it won’t matter, I believe.
goldenbrown
I’m sick to the pit of my stomach
the media coverage of what’s going down in Afghanistan is massively sanitised….you don’t have to look far for evidence of the hell that’s unfolding…no doubt at all in my mind to save the like of Biden and Johnson’s blushes
I’m trying to get my head around all of it – is this the US demonstrating to NATO that it ain’t worth the paper it’s written on without them…so pony up? because it seems deliberate as opposed to being pure rank incompetence satirised by Iannucci.
or have I got that wrong…that simply the lives of those unlucky enough to be trapped in Afghanistan aren’t worth the paper they’re written on?
whatever the scene it’s clear to me that the US aren’t really committed and there isn’t any rescue plan
Maybe Bezos or that Musk pr–k can come up with some dazzling techno wheeze to save the day, wha?
jungleman
It’s simple, the Americans do not care.
goldenbrown
that piece in the FT….there’s one standout line…sez Jens Stoltenberg, NATO Sec Gen:
“The paradox is we have more planes than passengers”
Rosette of Sirius
I’m completely with you on this. I can barely talk or type about this let alone watch the various news reports on television. I have friends who were able to leave. But I also have a few who are not able to leave – or won’t. They are safe. They are in a different city to Kabul what have been under Taliban control for a long time now so that was their norm.
My first time in Afghanistan was nuts. The compound I was staying in was right beside the compound of a large American evangelical christian nonprofit. That day their compound was attacked by RPG was insane. I’ve experienced a fair bit of gunfire on my travels, and bullet proof vests and helmets are bloody heavy. But the bank and explosions RPGs make was a new one on me. Had to quickly bug out after that and my mission came quickly to an end that day.
Anyways. I returned a few more times over the years and made some very good friends. As you can imagine, growing up in a country in constant conflict can make or break people. My friends are resilient and strong. They’re low key enough to stay under the Taliban radar and continue their work.
But, the apoplectic rage I feel about all of this is genuinely hard to articulate for me.
Man On Fire
US pandering.
Handing over cup de sac Afghanistan to the Chinese. Arming the taliban for yet another proxy war.
All the while protecting their beloved heroin based pharmaceutical industry by fomenting a coup in Burma last March.
Man On Fire
“cul”
GiggidyGoo
Almost one fifth of the population on a hospital waiting list.
That’s the result of Varadkar, Harris, Holohan and Co.’s ‘professionalism’.
Another milestone for the blueshirts terms in office. It should be a millstone around their necks.
(Narcissist incoming….)
Otis Blue
Not forgetting Paul Reid. Covid has been a real boon for this guy, masking systemic problems and his own inadequacies. He comes across as a lavishly paid PR man rather than a CEO. We need far fewer press conferences and tweets and much more in the way of strategy and reform.
GiggidyGoo
Correct. €420,000+ per annum plus an army car and driver. That would finance a lot of nurses who actually work.
Cian
The role of CEO to the largest company in Ireland (100K employees; €20bn budget) only pays €420K?
The FAI paid John Delaney more than that to…um… what exactly did he do?
Otis Blue
John Delaney isn’t relevant to this point. A more apt comparison for the HSE would be the NHS which employs over 1.3m people and whose CEO earns around £200,000 pa.
As it happens I’ve no problem with the salary for the HSE CEO. It’s a complex, perhaps even an impossible job. I just don’t see that Reid does much to justify his tenure in the role. Perhaps I’m missing the much needed structural reform and change management that he’s set in train.
GiggidyGoo
The usual deflect eh Cian? ‘Only pays’? John Delaney etc.
Cable Guy does well for himself in industry he has no qualifications in, or previous working knowledge of before being appointed.
Anybody who displays any semblance of critical thinking is a RWNJ according to you left-wing authoritarians, but just like everywhere else, you are losing.
Huge crowds on the streets of Melbourne it appears- not that it will be reported in the lamestream of course.
It’s not shown here but it appears the police were actually forced to retreat.
SOQ
It was my understanding that the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines had been withdrawn but it appears not because pharmacists are complaining that they have not been redistributed to community hubs?
It is my understanding that the HSE have told J&J and AZ that they don’t want any *new* supplies of those two vaccines, but will continue the rollout with with Pfizer and Moderna only.
Cian
Based on this from last Sunday: HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid has said that Ireland will cease further deliveries of AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines.
It comes as the EU focuses its efforts on acquiring mRNA vaccines.
Mr Reid said there is currently a strong availability of mRNA vaccines in Ireland and therefore further deliveries of AstraZeneca and Janssen will be suspended for now.
I heard the Pfizer doses are due to expire in August.
Cian
What do you mean?
Each dose (or batch of doses) of a vaccine (or any medicine) has a different expiry date.
Man On Fire
You know exactly what I mean..
It’s batch of doses.
Do you know how many doses per batch?
Oro
You and the other anti-vaxxers on here are a batch of doses.
Man On Fire
Stench of desperation off that comment.
Cian
I don’t know what you mean. You can tell by the way I said: “What do you mean?”
You said “I heard the Pfizer doses are due to expire in August”.
Do you mean that every unused dose of Pfizer in Ireland will expire in August? Or “some” unused doses are due to expire, and if the latter *how many* will expire. 1% or 99%?
Unless you quantify how many doses are due to expire – your statement is essentially meaningless.
Man On Fire
Yeah yeah sure you don’t, perhaps I should have worded my statement with “its my understanding..”, like yourself..
And yes, I think that it’s all doses currently in stock.
I’m open to being wrong here so if you know something I don’t re dose expiry I’m all ears..
Cian
I heard the Pfizer doses are not due to expire in August.
Cease further deliveries = has withdrawn them from future use once current batch is gone.
Yellow pack mRNA’s due in from romania. Deal announced 2nd July or so. 7 weeks down the line we are still ‘due’ them. Keystone Kops once again . https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/hcpinfo/covid19vaccineinfo4hps/pres5.pdf
Who, from Ireland, is actually monitoring what we are getting, and taking care of the logistics?
Cian
Wow. Ireland is literally top 5 of the world table for vaccination and GiggidyGoo is complaining.
GiggidyGoo
Another Cian whooosh moment.
World table? Punching above our weight? etc. etc.
Yellow pack mRNAs, announced with great fanfare 7 weeks ago. No sign of them yet.
Cian
Oops. We are 8th in the world for population vaccinated. 4th in the EU. HSE have done a brilliant job.
So?
Anybody can sue anybody else in America. All you need is money.
Man On Fire
It’s designed to provoke a reaction, 100m will definitely turn heads.
See Denmark and Portugal for legal rulings which went against the respective governments.
SOQ
My guess is the front line doctors want to get a legal ruling on the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine and they are going after CNN to force them to prove that it does not work.
If the court decides that there is sufficient evidence that it does work, and awards Stella damages – then that takes it all into a new legal situation.
Nigel
A legal ruling on the efficacy of HCQ? That’s almost as good as a ruling from Trump. No court is going to issue a legal ruling on whether a treatment is medicaly effective or not, they make legal rulings not medical ones. If that’s the basis for their case, no court will touch it.
Cian
Looking at the filing, she is going down the defamation route.
CNN said: “She’s a doctor from Houston who also believes that women can be physically impregnated by witches in their dreams … That’s Dr. Stella Immanuel who also has a ministry who promises on her own YouTube page quote deliverance from spirit husbands and spirit wives parentheses incubus and succubus …
This doctor Immanuel apparently believes that lusting after movie stars can conjure demons that can make women physically pregnant with demon babies by impregnating them in their dreams …”
And the defence is that CNN showed youtube videos that “created a defamatory implication by omitting facts relating to Dr. Immanuel’s personal religious and spiritual beliefs, such as the biblical foundation for her ministry, the healing and spiritual nature of her prayer, and the fact that the statements, cherry-picked by CNN from Firepower’s vast library of spiritual ministry, had nothing to do with her medical practice, credentials and opinions.”
In addition to climate influences, other factors that play an important role in the risk of flooding are reduced retention due to straightening of watercourses, the construction of weirs, the loss of water meadows and wetlands, and increased surface sealing (21,24). https://www.climatechangepost.com/germany/river-floods/
Nigel
Yes. hence the importance of watecourse and wetland preservation and restoration as a means of reducing floods and other climate change effects – and boosting carbon retention in the case of peat bogs.
That was my first though too.
But on reading the article it says there were more people out:
“The authors said the study was the first to look at the prevalence of cycling injuries that resulted in ED attendance during lockdown and said the fact there was no increase was in the context of greater use of bikes at a time when broader travel was ruled out due to public health restrictions.
It said there was more recreational cycling and fewer collisions with motor vehicles.”
Nigel
Quite the opposite, actually.
Man On Fire
So lockdown are good for road safety of cyclists. Is that the gist yeah?
Nigel
You really just didn’t bother reading the article you’re commenting on, did you?
Man On Fire
Do you agree there was less vehicular traffic on the road the past 2 years?
Nigel
Less vehiclular traffic, more people cycling, fewer cycling injuries, therefore….
Hurrah for Florida. You want to be like Florida??
Currently in their third wave of Covid deaths! And, even with vaccines, this wave is their highest yet!
Last two waves peaked at ~180 deaths per day (7-day average) they are now over 300 deaths/day and still rising.
…just remind us Giggser…why did you take the vaccine?
GiggidyGoo
Remind me why you think i’m an anti vaxxer.
GiggidyGoo
@Nigel.
A yes or no answer will suffice to this question.
Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?
Oro
Does this answer your question?
“In July, people who were not fully vaccinated were nearly 3 times more likely to test positive for COVID-19. Additionally, they were hospitalized for COVID-19-related illnesses at a rate 3.7 times higher than people who are fully vaccinated. People who are fully vaccinated also saw a 10-fold reduction in risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to not fully vaccinated people.”
@Oro
A yes or no answer will suffice to this question.
Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?
Is it that difficult to give a straight yes or no answer
?
Oro
You’ve a habit of arguing/misunderstanding your way through the most redundant and stupid points and framing it as a ‘gotcha’ moment. It’s like your fight with Cian last week when you just didn’t understand additive figures or the meaning of the ‘>’ in relation to numbers and congratulated yourself on your victory when you were so far off radar.
These vaccines are saving enormous amounts of pain and suffering. They were never touted as having a 100% success rate so your focus on acting as if this is some sort of personal discovery on your part is just embarrassing. Maybe just stick to the nicknames, at least that stuff (dreadful as it is) is up to interpretation.
Nigel
Shouldn’t you answer my question first? I’ve asked it twice, and it actually contains the answer to you question.
GiggidyGoo
I take it then that neither of you are prepared to answer the, very simple, question.
The question is ‘Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?“
The answer is yes.
Is the vaccination saving people? The answer is yes, we are told.
Your question Nigel. “A fraction of the people who died from covdi were unvaccinated, therefore vaccines don’t work? 300 deaths a day seems like a lot. Ya – so what!
Most unvaccinated people who caught Covid didn’t die. True or false?
Your post, Oro again dodged the question. Are you such a coward that you couldn’t give a straight answer? Obviously yes. I do believe too that my point to Cians diversion etc. was well made.
Oro
You’re not understanding it – in that what you consider to be your ‘question’ is a false position.
The central issue is the efficacy of these vaccines – which you are trying to somehow draw into disrepute via the extremely rare deaths of people that have been vaccinated. The vaccines were touted as having somewhere between a 90%-100% rate of stopping people from dying from Covid-19. This endpoint has been met, in that vaccinated people are dying at rates of up to 10x less than those that are vaccinated. Therefore the vaccines are 100% successful in meeting the endpoint that was set out initially. Comprendez?
I don’t think you’re intellectually able to understand the parameters of what you’re trying to argue, and you confuse yourself into a position of being correct, when you couldn’t be less correct.
I don’t think there’s much point in dragging it out much further with your inane comments about dodging questions, especially since you won’t answer Nigel’s.
Nigel
You’ve managed to argue yourself into the proposition that the relatively small number of people who die of covd is so significant that it means the vaccines don’t work, and that the much larger number of unvaccinated people who die of covid is of no signifigance at all. I can’t wait to see where you’re going with this.
GiggidyGoo
@Oro – another long post of….nothing.
Of 70 covid deaths between May 14 and July 13 in Ireland, fully vaccinated accounted for 12 of the deaths.
Do the maths.
My question was precise. There was a definite yes or no answer. You chose to obfuscate rather than answer.
Writing a long reply with nothing of note in it actually shows up your own intellectual inabilities – have a re-read.
(Nigel’s question was asking me whether the vaccines work or not. You obviously didn’t read my last post fully – or else you couldn’t understand it).
Oro
That’s a very small sample size. Also Ireland’s vaccination group is top heavy in older people more at risk so that would affect the numbers. Look at any society that’s more vaccinated and look at sample sizes there.
Your question was bogus, since your implication is false. I’ve also already addressed it two comments ago. The vaccines were never intended to stop all deaths, therefore extremely low numbers of vaccinated people dying was always going to occur, without compromising the efficacy of the vaccine. That’s all there is to it. You also didn’t engage with Nigel‘a full question.
Btw NYTimes says approval coming early this week, will catch up with you then ;)
GiggidyGoo
@ Nigel. We see where you’re going with it. Anything but address the very simple question which required a yes or no answer.
Your argument seems to be that no one who was vaccinated died of covid. Is that it? That’s another yes or no answer. If you need to get the last word in (as is your want) maybe just answer yes or no.
Nigel
So you think that when I say less vaccinated people died of covid than vaccinated people I’m somehow saying no vaccinated people died of covid? Incredible.
GiggidyGoo
Thing is Nigel – you didn’t answer the question. How about answering it with a yes or no answer,
Yourself and Cians twin have a fierce aversion to answering clearly.
Nigel
You didn’t answer mine but you don’t hear me whining about it.
GiggidyGoo
@Nigel. Read back. I answered your question. You’ve no excuses therefore to answer my yes/no one.
Nigel
Read back I answered your question before you even asked it.
GiggidyGoo
Nope. You didn’t. I’ll ask it again then. Maybe you’ll tell us yes or no this time?
Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?
Nigel
Instead of asking a question that’s already been answered, could you actually go ahead and make whatever point it is you’re trying to make? Or do you actually have a point?
GiggidyGoo
I’ve made my points.
i.e. Covid-vaccinated people die from Covid. That’s the subject question you seem loath to avoid answering. – ‘Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?’ Do you agree or not? You haven’t answered it.
here’s another point’
‘The vast majority of people who were unvaccinated and caught covid …..didn’t die. They weren’t even hospitalized.’
Do you agree with that statement? Yes or no again
Instead of running from the questions, perhaps you’d be so good as to answer instead of displaying your penchant for having the last word based on frivolous avoidance?
Nigel
You have already said both those things, and I have responded to them without contradicting or disputing the basic facts. Do you keep repeating yourself because you have nothing else to say? If you wish to elaborate or build on those points or respond directly to the points I have made without repeating yourself yet again, feel free to do so. Or are you unable to engage without arbitrarily restricting mine or Oro’s answers to simple ‘yes or no’ responses?
SOQ
As you know well Cian- there is zero scientific evidence that vaccine passports have the slightest impact on transmission rates.
Of course one thing always conveniently omitted is that Florida has the highest elderly therefore at risk population in the US.
Nigel
Which makes it the most homicidally insane state to pass actual laws against basic pandemic measures.
Man On Fire
Masks, yawn
SOQ
Vaccine Passports never were and never will be “basic pandemic measures”, especially when they do not offer any actual evidence of inoculation.
My point is that if all this authoritarian anti scientific BS was necessary, then Florida should be at least twice the national fatality rate- but it is not.
Oro
For the week ending 8/14/21 Florida had 4.6x the national fatality rate based on the numbers here – maybe you should glance at some information before posting?
Just for some more context for the previous four weeks Florida’s death rate is still over 4 times that of the national rate.
Oh and the CDC haven’t updated just yet but the week ending august 20th (that means this week) the amount of people that died in Florida doubled.
As much as he was an absolute pill, I do miss Charger in some ways as we could all lay into the UK over Afghanistan and he would fight the good fight to try to defend the indefensible. I think everyone pretty much just agrees about it so it ends up being an echo chamber.
So will we all kill each other over vaccines and covid?
I could try to be Charger for a day. He did something stupid with commas if I remember. And he would call people “wet” which I never understood. And he created that fake woman to compliment himself.
Actually no, covid is better.
Marvellous…
Haroo, have you bothered to read the front pages of the newspapers?
Get a life.
Brilliant Steph as always..
No strings attached.
Eres El Haroo … con la caricatura…. La “H”…..etc?
Full approval incoming.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-08-20/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-poised-to-get-full-fda-approval-next-week?utm_id=35897&sfmc_id=2418209
Not so full. If it does happen, the decision would apply to people 16 and older.
Lol @ Oro,
If you bothered to look through the Google hits for Pfizer approval you’ll see their media machine trying to bully the fda into fully approving it every single month of this year so far.
Still on emergency approval pending review.
I think their indemnity for the shot would be gone if the vaccine got full approval?
The first couple of shots done were under the indemnity so it won’t matter, I believe.
I’m sick to the pit of my stomach
the media coverage of what’s going down in Afghanistan is massively sanitised….you don’t have to look far for evidence of the hell that’s unfolding…no doubt at all in my mind to save the like of Biden and Johnson’s blushes
I’m trying to get my head around all of it – is this the US demonstrating to NATO that it ain’t worth the paper it’s written on without them…so pony up? because it seems deliberate as opposed to being pure rank incompetence satirised by Iannucci.
or have I got that wrong…that simply the lives of those unlucky enough to be trapped in Afghanistan aren’t worth the paper they’re written on?
whatever the scene it’s clear to me that the US aren’t really committed and there isn’t any rescue plan
Maybe Bezos or that Musk pr–k can come up with some dazzling techno wheeze to save the day, wha?
It’s simple, the Americans do not care.
that piece in the FT….there’s one standout line…sez Jens Stoltenberg, NATO Sec Gen:
“The paradox is we have more planes than passengers”
I’m completely with you on this. I can barely talk or type about this let alone watch the various news reports on television. I have friends who were able to leave. But I also have a few who are not able to leave – or won’t. They are safe. They are in a different city to Kabul what have been under Taliban control for a long time now so that was their norm.
My first time in Afghanistan was nuts. The compound I was staying in was right beside the compound of a large American evangelical christian nonprofit. That day their compound was attacked by RPG was insane. I’ve experienced a fair bit of gunfire on my travels, and bullet proof vests and helmets are bloody heavy. But the bank and explosions RPGs make was a new one on me. Had to quickly bug out after that and my mission came quickly to an end that day.
Anyways. I returned a few more times over the years and made some very good friends. As you can imagine, growing up in a country in constant conflict can make or break people. My friends are resilient and strong. They’re low key enough to stay under the Taliban radar and continue their work.
But, the apoplectic rage I feel about all of this is genuinely hard to articulate for me.
US pandering.
Handing over cup de sac Afghanistan to the Chinese. Arming the taliban for yet another proxy war.
All the while protecting their beloved heroin based pharmaceutical industry by fomenting a coup in Burma last March.
“cul”
Almost one fifth of the population on a hospital waiting list.
That’s the result of Varadkar, Harris, Holohan and Co.’s ‘professionalism’.
Another milestone for the blueshirts terms in office. It should be a millstone around their necks.
(Narcissist incoming….)
Not forgetting Paul Reid. Covid has been a real boon for this guy, masking systemic problems and his own inadequacies. He comes across as a lavishly paid PR man rather than a CEO. We need far fewer press conferences and tweets and much more in the way of strategy and reform.
Correct. €420,000+ per annum plus an army car and driver. That would finance a lot of nurses who actually work.
The role of CEO to the largest company in Ireland (100K employees; €20bn budget) only pays €420K?
The FAI paid John Delaney more than that to…um… what exactly did he do?
John Delaney isn’t relevant to this point. A more apt comparison for the HSE would be the NHS which employs over 1.3m people and whose CEO earns around £200,000 pa.
As it happens I’ve no problem with the salary for the HSE CEO. It’s a complex, perhaps even an impossible job. I just don’t see that Reid does much to justify his tenure in the role. Perhaps I’m missing the much needed structural reform and change management that he’s set in train.
The usual deflect eh Cian? ‘Only pays’? John Delaney etc.
Cable Guy does well for himself in industry he has no qualifications in, or previous working knowledge of before being appointed.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pat-hickey-interview-shane-ross-is-wrong-im-not-a-patsy-to-putin-or-any-dictator-40773113.html
Pat Hickey, Paul Williams trying it on still.
Chay Bowski too. ROFL.
‘Rain falls on peak of Greenland ice cap for first time on record
Precipitation was so unexpected, scientists had no gauges to measure it’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/rain-falls-peak-greenland-ice-cap-first-time-on-record-climate-crisis?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1629461732
For the Tom McDonald (singer) fans out there, it turns out that the Tom McDonald that plays for my Aussie Rules team is a bit of RWNJ, too.
https://twitter.com/TomMcDonald92/status/1427098428849328130
Anybody who displays any semblance of critical thinking is a RWNJ according to you left-wing authoritarians, but just like everywhere else, you are losing.
Huge crowds on the streets of Melbourne it appears- not that it will be reported in the lamestream of course.
‘Lots of Nazi propaganda at today’s lockdown protests in Australia.’
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1429021628508237824
One sign is ‘lots’?
“Lamestream”
Hmmm… someone else uses that phrase a lot, trying to think who it is…
Probably a certain drag queen- whom insisted all the hookers got stabbed.
Shocking stuff in Melbourne today.
https://www.tiktok.com/@tyson_melbourne/video/6998813353674083585
This is the original of that video
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2990045517928529
It’s not shown here but it appears the police were actually forced to retreat.
It was my understanding that the J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines had been withdrawn but it appears not because pharmacists are complaining that they have not been redistributed to community hubs?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/pharmacists-in-vaccination-centres-warn-martin-donnelly-of-doses-going-to-waste-1.4652314
It is my understanding that the HSE have told J&J and AZ that they don’t want any *new* supplies of those two vaccines, but will continue the rollout with with Pfizer and Moderna only.
Based on this from last Sunday:
HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid has said that Ireland will cease further deliveries of AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines.
It comes as the EU focuses its efforts on acquiring mRNA vaccines.
Mr Reid said there is currently a strong availability of mRNA vaccines in Ireland and therefore further deliveries of AstraZeneca and Janssen will be suspended for now.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0815/1240941-covid-ireland/
I heard the Pfizer doses are due to expire in August.
What do you mean?
Each dose (or batch of doses) of a vaccine (or any medicine) has a different expiry date.
You know exactly what I mean..
It’s batch of doses.
Do you know how many doses per batch?
You and the other anti-vaxxers on here are a batch of doses.
Stench of desperation off that comment.
I don’t know what you mean. You can tell by the way I said: “What do you mean?”
You said “I heard the Pfizer doses are due to expire in August”.
Do you mean that every unused dose of Pfizer in Ireland will expire in August? Or “some” unused doses are due to expire, and if the latter *how many* will expire. 1% or 99%?
Unless you quantify how many doses are due to expire – your statement is essentially meaningless.
Yeah yeah sure you don’t, perhaps I should have worded my statement with “its my understanding..”, like yourself..
And yes, I think that it’s all doses currently in stock.
I’m open to being wrong here so if you know something I don’t re dose expiry I’m all ears..
I heard the Pfizer doses are not due to expire in August.
So no link Cian. Just a weak response.
Typical really.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/millions-of-covid-19-vaccine-doses-around-world-to-expire-2021-8%3famp
Cease further deliveries = has withdrawn them from future use once current batch is gone.
Yellow pack mRNA’s due in from romania. Deal announced 2nd July or so. 7 weeks down the line we are still ‘due’ them. Keystone Kops once again . https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/hcpinfo/covid19vaccineinfo4hps/pres5.pdf
Who, from Ireland, is actually monitoring what we are getting, and taking care of the logistics?
Wow. Ireland is literally top 5 of the world table for vaccination and GiggidyGoo is complaining.
Another Cian whooosh moment.
World table? Punching above our weight? etc. etc.
Yellow pack mRNAs, announced with great fanfare 7 weeks ago. No sign of them yet.
Oops. We are 8th in the world for population vaccinated. 4th in the EU. HSE have done a brilliant job.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
So, you’re proving what you wrote earlier to be a….. lie?
tsk tsk
Dr. Stella Immanuel, Hydroxychloroquine Advocate, Sues CNN, Anderson Cooper for $100M
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Dr.+Stella+Immanuel%2C+Hydroxychloroquine+Advocate%2C+Sues+CNN%2C+Anderson+Cooper+for+%24100M
Pick you own source- so no accusations of bias.
So?
Anybody can sue anybody else in America. All you need is money.
It’s designed to provoke a reaction, 100m will definitely turn heads.
See Denmark and Portugal for legal rulings which went against the respective governments.
My guess is the front line doctors want to get a legal ruling on the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine and they are going after CNN to force them to prove that it does not work.
If the court decides that there is sufficient evidence that it does work, and awards Stella damages – then that takes it all into a new legal situation.
A legal ruling on the efficacy of HCQ? That’s almost as good as a ruling from Trump. No court is going to issue a legal ruling on whether a treatment is medicaly effective or not, they make legal rulings not medical ones. If that’s the basis for their case, no court will touch it.
Looking at the filing, she is going down the defamation route.
CNN said: “She’s a doctor from Houston who also believes that women can be physically impregnated by witches in their dreams … That’s Dr. Stella Immanuel who also has a ministry who promises on her own YouTube page quote deliverance from spirit husbands and spirit wives parentheses incubus and succubus …
This doctor Immanuel apparently believes that lusting after movie stars can conjure demons that can make women physically pregnant with demon babies by impregnating them in their dreams …”
And the defence is that CNN showed youtube videos that “created a defamatory implication by omitting facts relating to Dr. Immanuel’s personal religious and spiritual beliefs, such as the biblical foundation for her ministry, the healing and spiritual nature of her prayer, and the fact that the statements, cherry-picked by CNN from Firepower’s vast library of spiritual ministry, had nothing to do with her medical practice, credentials and opinions.”
…same old quackery…yawn…
https://southerntrust.hscni.net/our-hospitals/daisy-hill-hospital/
Kim Stanley Robinson: a climate plan for a world in flames
https://www.ft.com/content/ff94df96-b702-4e01-addd-f4253d0eecf6
‘The lesson from German floods: prepare for the unimaginable’
https://www.climatechangenews.com/2021/08/20/lesson-german-floods-prepare-unimaginable/
In addition to climate influences, other factors that play an important role in the risk of flooding are reduced retention due to straightening of watercourses, the construction of weirs, the loss of water meadows and wetlands, and increased surface sealing (21,24).
https://www.climatechangepost.com/germany/river-floods/
Yes. hence the importance of watecourse and wetland preservation and restoration as a means of reducing floods and other climate change effects – and boosting carbon retention in the case of peat bogs.
‘Cycling injuries fell during lockdown as fewer cars on the road’
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40363283.html?type=amp
Or less people out cycling.
That was my first though too.
But on reading the article it says there were more people out:
“The authors said the study was the first to look at the prevalence of cycling injuries that resulted in ED attendance during lockdown and said the fact there was no increase was in the context of greater use of bikes at a time when broader travel was ruled out due to public health restrictions.
It said there was more recreational cycling and fewer collisions with motor vehicles.”
Quite the opposite, actually.
So lockdown are good for road safety of cyclists. Is that the gist yeah?
You really just didn’t bother reading the article you’re commenting on, did you?
Do you agree there was less vehicular traffic on the road the past 2 years?
Less vehiclular traffic, more people cycling, fewer cycling injuries, therefore….
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=florida+will+fine+any+business+or+school+5000+each+time+it+requires+a+vaccine+passport+or+proof+of+covid-19+vaccinataion
The link says it all- great stuff.
Hurrah for Florida. You want to be like Florida??
Currently in their third wave of Covid deaths! And, even with vaccines, this wave is their highest yet!
Last two waves peaked at ~180 deaths per day (7-day average) they are now over 300 deaths/day and still rising.
https://datausa.io/coronavirus#cases
Were all those deaths of Covid or with Covid?
It was with, em, vaccines. Cian finally realizing that vaccines ain’t working.
(the term ‘vaccines’ used loosely. )
The vast majority of those deaths are in the unvaccinated.
“The vast majority of people who have died from COVID-19 were unvaccinated. Fatal cases of COVID-19 among unvaccinated people are either very low or virtually zero in 48 states.”
18 Aug 2021
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-by-the-numbers-vaccinated-continue-to-be-protected#Vaccinations-and-breakthrough-infections
While vaccinated people….are also dying.
“And, even with vaccines, this wave is their highest yet!”
Clearing out the convalescent homes just like in NY..
Vaccinated deaths are a fraction of unvaccinated… therefore vaccines don’t work?
According to the kaiser family foundation…
ROFL
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2019/03/inv000400
@Nigel. The vast majority of people who were unvaccinated and caught covid …..didn’t die. They weren’t even hospitalized.
You can turn facts and figures to suit any argument.
A fact is that vaccinated people have died of covid.
A fraction of the people who died from covdi were unvaccinated, therefore vaccines don’t work? 300 deaths a day seems like a lot.
That doesn’t counter my post.
Vaccinated deaths only being a fraction of covid deaths doesn’t counter your post saying the vaccines don’t work?
…just remind us Giggser…why did you take the vaccine?
Remind me why you think i’m an anti vaxxer.
@Nigel.
A yes or no answer will suffice to this question.
Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?
Does this answer your question?
“In July, people who were not fully vaccinated were nearly 3 times more likely to test positive for COVID-19. Additionally, they were hospitalized for COVID-19-related illnesses at a rate 3.7 times higher than people who are fully vaccinated. People who are fully vaccinated also saw a 10-fold reduction in risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to not fully vaccinated people.”
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/news/releases/081921.htm
@Oro
A yes or no answer will suffice to this question.
Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?
Is it that difficult to give a straight yes or no answer
?
You’ve a habit of arguing/misunderstanding your way through the most redundant and stupid points and framing it as a ‘gotcha’ moment. It’s like your fight with Cian last week when you just didn’t understand additive figures or the meaning of the ‘>’ in relation to numbers and congratulated yourself on your victory when you were so far off radar.
These vaccines are saving enormous amounts of pain and suffering. They were never touted as having a 100% success rate so your focus on acting as if this is some sort of personal discovery on your part is just embarrassing. Maybe just stick to the nicknames, at least that stuff (dreadful as it is) is up to interpretation.
Shouldn’t you answer my question first? I’ve asked it twice, and it actually contains the answer to you question.
I take it then that neither of you are prepared to answer the, very simple, question.
The question is ‘Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?“
The answer is yes.
Is the vaccination saving people? The answer is yes, we are told.
Your question Nigel. “A fraction of the people who died from covdi were unvaccinated, therefore vaccines don’t work? 300 deaths a day seems like a lot. Ya – so what!
Most unvaccinated people who caught Covid didn’t die. True or false?
Your post, Oro again dodged the question. Are you such a coward that you couldn’t give a straight answer? Obviously yes. I do believe too that my point to Cians diversion etc. was well made.
You’re not understanding it – in that what you consider to be your ‘question’ is a false position.
The central issue is the efficacy of these vaccines – which you are trying to somehow draw into disrepute via the extremely rare deaths of people that have been vaccinated. The vaccines were touted as having somewhere between a 90%-100% rate of stopping people from dying from Covid-19. This endpoint has been met, in that vaccinated people are dying at rates of up to 10x less than those that are vaccinated. Therefore the vaccines are 100% successful in meeting the endpoint that was set out initially. Comprendez?
I don’t think you’re intellectually able to understand the parameters of what you’re trying to argue, and you confuse yourself into a position of being correct, when you couldn’t be less correct.
I don’t think there’s much point in dragging it out much further with your inane comments about dodging questions, especially since you won’t answer Nigel’s.
You’ve managed to argue yourself into the proposition that the relatively small number of people who die of covd is so significant that it means the vaccines don’t work, and that the much larger number of unvaccinated people who die of covid is of no signifigance at all. I can’t wait to see where you’re going with this.
@Oro – another long post of….nothing.
Of 70 covid deaths between May 14 and July 13 in Ireland, fully vaccinated accounted for 12 of the deaths.
Do the maths.
My question was precise. There was a definite yes or no answer. You chose to obfuscate rather than answer.
Writing a long reply with nothing of note in it actually shows up your own intellectual inabilities – have a re-read.
(Nigel’s question was asking me whether the vaccines work or not. You obviously didn’t read my last post fully – or else you couldn’t understand it).
That’s a very small sample size. Also Ireland’s vaccination group is top heavy in older people more at risk so that would affect the numbers. Look at any society that’s more vaccinated and look at sample sizes there.
Your question was bogus, since your implication is false. I’ve also already addressed it two comments ago. The vaccines were never intended to stop all deaths, therefore extremely low numbers of vaccinated people dying was always going to occur, without compromising the efficacy of the vaccine. That’s all there is to it. You also didn’t engage with Nigel‘a full question.
Btw NYTimes says approval coming early this week, will catch up with you then ;)
@ Nigel. We see where you’re going with it. Anything but address the very simple question which required a yes or no answer.
Your argument seems to be that no one who was vaccinated died of covid. Is that it? That’s another yes or no answer. If you need to get the last word in (as is your want) maybe just answer yes or no.
So you think that when I say less vaccinated people died of covid than vaccinated people I’m somehow saying no vaccinated people died of covid? Incredible.
Thing is Nigel – you didn’t answer the question. How about answering it with a yes or no answer,
Yourself and Cians twin have a fierce aversion to answering clearly.
You didn’t answer mine but you don’t hear me whining about it.
@Nigel. Read back. I answered your question. You’ve no excuses therefore to answer my yes/no one.
Read back I answered your question before you even asked it.
Nope. You didn’t. I’ll ask it again then. Maybe you’ll tell us yes or no this time?
Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?
Instead of asking a question that’s already been answered, could you actually go ahead and make whatever point it is you’re trying to make? Or do you actually have a point?
I’ve made my points.
i.e. Covid-vaccinated people die from Covid. That’s the subject question you seem loath to avoid answering. – ‘Are Covid-vaccinated people dying from Covid?’ Do you agree or not? You haven’t answered it.
here’s another point’
‘The vast majority of people who were unvaccinated and caught covid …..didn’t die. They weren’t even hospitalized.’
Do you agree with that statement? Yes or no again
Instead of running from the questions, perhaps you’d be so good as to answer instead of displaying your penchant for having the last word based on frivolous avoidance?
You have already said both those things, and I have responded to them without contradicting or disputing the basic facts. Do you keep repeating yourself because you have nothing else to say? If you wish to elaborate or build on those points or respond directly to the points I have made without repeating yourself yet again, feel free to do so. Or are you unable to engage without arbitrarily restricting mine or Oro’s answers to simple ‘yes or no’ responses?
As you know well Cian- there is zero scientific evidence that vaccine passports have the slightest impact on transmission rates.
Of course one thing always conveniently omitted is that Florida has the highest elderly therefore at risk population in the US.
Which makes it the most homicidally insane state to pass actual laws against basic pandemic measures.
Masks, yawn
Vaccine Passports never were and never will be “basic pandemic measures”, especially when they do not offer any actual evidence of inoculation.
My point is that if all this authoritarian anti scientific BS was necessary, then Florida should be at least twice the national fatality rate- but it is not.
For the week ending 8/14/21 Florida had 4.6x the national fatality rate based on the numbers here – maybe you should glance at some information before posting?
Just for some more context for the previous four weeks Florida’s death rate is still over 4 times that of the national rate.
Oh and the CDC haven’t updated just yet but the week ending august 20th (that means this week) the amount of people that died in Florida doubled.
You’re really partaking in 2+2=5 stuff today.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-print-florida-coronavirus-friday-aug-20-20210820-7zv67ko4vbcrzedjnpchgjxo3i-story.html
Clearing out the convalescent homes just like NYC yeah..
Useless eaters are useless eaters in north County Louth- no trees- just a weird statue with no context and a catholic graveyard.
Cians twin is busy.
You and the US far right certainly agree on that. But I wouldn’t put money on covid deaths under deSantis not being undercounted.
Partisan as always…
YAWN
Yes, it is.
BURP