Can You Tolerate This?


This afternoon.

The health secretary told Sky News consent will be sought from parents of 12 to 15-year-olds over COVID jabs as it has been “for decades”, but that if a child is believed to be competent enough to make the decision themselves, they “will prevail”.

His comments suggest most individuals in this age category will be able to give their own consent to receive the COVID-19 vaccine if parents object to the jab.

There you go now.

COVID-19: 12 to 15-year-olds to get ‘final say’ over COVID jab if disagreement with parent occurs (Sky News)

Gillick competence test?

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93 thoughts on “Can You Tolerate This?

    1. SOQ

      What I don’t get is why are they so hell bent on injecting children? There will be injuries and there will be deaths with absolutely no benefits to them- so why?

      It’s twisted and sick.

    2. Micko

      They’ve dug their heels in so much that they can’t be seen to be wrong now.

      Anyone here advocating for this mess would have been absolutely disgusted by some of the things we’ve allowed over the past year and half.

      Closing society down
      Crushing small businesses,
      Arresting people for having gatherings
      Shaming people on the national news for travelling abroad
      Charging people for not wearing a piece of cloth on their gob
      Having piece of paper or an app to say where you can or can’t go
      Having the Guards arrest people for going outside a certain distance
      Forcing kids to wear masks for 6 hours a day
      Firing people for not getting medical procedures
      and now injecting children with medicine that won’t help them and only helps old people.

      Can anyone here say that if presented with these options 18 months ago they would have
      been “Yup – sounds great. Sign me up”?

      You’ve come a long way baby…

        1. K. Cavan

          Yes, Nigel, almost. There was, of course, a Pandemic on TV but like everything on there, it was fictitious.

        2. Cui Bono?

          The word pandemic means nothing anymore because the WHO changed the criteria several years ago so that not even 1 person needs to die from a virus and they can still declare a pandemic. You should research the Swine flu scam – it’s a similar story to this covid scam. It’s real but not that bad.

          Anyway the population continues to increase this year as it did last year.

          1. Micko

            Don’t worry Nigel, we made about 140 million new people to replace them.

            Meet the new boss
            Same as the old boss…

          2. Micko

            55 million of us are replaced every year…. Barely an inconvenience.

            Do you realize
            That everyone you know someday will die?
            And instead of saying all of your goodbyes
            Let them know you realize that life goes fast
            It’s hard to make the good things last
            You realize the sun doesn’t go down
            It’s just an illusion caused by the world spinning round

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      and order at the bar, married and join the army , sure why the hell not

    1. SOQ

      You are actually arguing that children should be injured or die now? Because make no mistake, that is what is going to happen.

      As above- twisted and sick.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          I don’t want anyone dying from covid, or from very rare reactions to the vaccine.

          Conspiraloons seem to be okay with the former.

          1. SOQ

            The British government’s own advisors have stated that the risks to children are higher than the benefits.

            Children WILL get injured from this decision and children WILL die from this decision and no amount of deflection will hide the fact that you are in support of it.

            So own it.

          2. Cian

            “The British government’s own advisors have stated that the risks to children are higher than the benefits”
            Wrong. They said the benefits weren’t sufficiently higher than the risks.

        2. goldenbrown

          Daisy, I can’t figure you out at all, except for one thing: you appear to be the proverbial dog with a bone with this particular subject

          I put it to you that this state-led drive (clearly) to vaccinate children makes no sense, none

          I consider myself a sane evidence based professional person, not an anti-anything looper, I am only interested in the health, safety and welfare of my children

          To date not one single solitary argument made on here/anywhere has convinced me to have my 12 y/o vaccinated and whatever about the various literature available and media opinions out there my family GP has said no… it’s no, I’ve written about this before.

          what convinces you so much that I should drag my child into this? or any other happy healthy child? I’m not interested in attacking you but I’ve never read any solid explanation from you for your position and I’m wondering if you have one to offer.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            She doesn’t.
            I’m sure she will have no problems giving a power of attorney to her 12 year old grand-daughter, when the time comes for the nursing home and her own injections.

          2. Micko

            “ what convinces you so much that I should drag my child into this?”

            For each a road
            For everyman a religion
            Face everybody and rule
            Fupp everything and rumble
            Forget everything and remember
            For everything a reason

            She got it…

          3. SOQ

            The person behind the Daisy character is a narcissist, and probably a sociopath.

            The subject matter doesn’t count as long as they feel they have won the game- it’s probably the only real emotion they feel- bless em.

            Kind of weird how many personality disorders are popping up these days eh?

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      The same antichoice groups behind the insidious anti Trans campaign will use Gillick to stop teenagers from taking the Pill which will lead to them stopping teenagers from accessing abortion care.

    1. Zaccone

      This is a rather interesting question…

      Though I suspect in that case it’ll be “your parent knows best”.

  1. Fergalito

    I too am confounded as to why this age group require vaccination against the expert medical advice provided to the (in fairness) Tory scum. Rather than discuss consent surely the rationale for going against expert advice and proceeding with this plan would be a better service of interests.

    But what would I know, fool that I am.

    1. Micko

      “a special officer for the board of health shot a man who refused to wear a mask as well as two bystanders.”

      I wonder what you guys will be coerced into doing?

      And I had to laugh:

      “ “Today we can look back and see that they flattened the curve”

      ‘Flatten the curve’

      How quaint…

  2. bisted

    …g’wan the Greta generation…hope…the biggest danger with this demographic was that they might decide that their vaccination might deny someone more deserving…I’ve been in awe of this generation…can’t wait until they can vote!

    1. SOQ

      If you think it is right to inject children with an experimental vaccine so you can feel safe and you can you feel secure then you are the problem, not a virus.

      1. bisted

        …it doesn’t matter what you or I think…it just matters what the 12yo+ think…they will be able to make their own decisions…’your sons and your daughters are beyond your command’…you will off course be able to apply your magnet test to identify errant tykes…

          1. GiggidyGoo

            We went down that road a week or two ago – you high-tailed it from that conversation. Try harder.

          2. bisted

            …I’m sure your logic behind taking the vaccine was flawless…and apologies for not cataloging your reasoning…but a vaccinated ratlicker…

      2. Sten

        @Soq You keep saying that people are “injecting their children” so that “you can feel safe”.

        What you seem not to realise is that most parents of children under 18 are in the 30-50 age bracket. The virus is not a huge risk for them individually. I think when they make the decision it’s not so that they can feel safe themselves.

        I think it would be more correct to say (if you must use such inflammatory language) that people are “injecting their kids so that older and more medically vulnerable people can feel safe.”

        But put this way, your argument that it’s done for selfish reasons is undermined though.

        (Before responding, please note that I am not giving my view either way, I’m just trying to understand others reasons for their decisions. Also, this constant repetition of a clearly false motivation, projected by you onto your “opposition”, only makes you come across as a non-rational agitator and undermines your credibility.)

        1. SOQ

          @Sten- make no mistake about it- asking young people to risk their health in order to protect older is selfish- particularly when the medium and long term effects are unknown.

          That this fact leaves some people uncomfortable is not my problem because they do not have a monopoly on the moral high ground- injecting children for no benefit is as unethical and immoral as it gets.

          Particularly now as it is becoming quite clear that these vaccines do not afford any notable level of inoculation against the actual SARS-CoV-2 virus- there is no communitarian argument.

        1. SOQ

          Round in circles we go- it has never been used for vaccines before- that is the very definition of experimental.

  3. Madam x

    There’s Some c**p written on this above. It’s not an experimental vaccine. Secondly why vaccine children unless long COVID is thought to be an issue.? I suggest you vaccinate until we know for sure. To listen to some you would think they prefer millions of deaths instead of repressing the virus with vaccination. Look at Idaho or any mid West state in the USA where anti vaxers held sway. Hospitals struggling to cope. Has common sense left the planet completely.

    1. SOQ

      mNRA has never been used in a vaccine before- what else could it be if not experimental? There is NO medium or long term safety data- NONE- they have no clue what the longer term side effects could be, so the safe option is to not inject children- at all.

      This demographic of 12 -15 year olds are of little risk of CoVid-19 so why risk their health? It is completely irresponsible to do so- it is criminally reckless.

      1. TheFerg

        SOQ schooled me on this point a few weeks ago, (fair play). Although there have been many millions of vaccines administered we do not know/can not know of long term affects.

        Also, is it a vaccination if the disease has virtually zero chance of harming you?

        (We’ve a family gathering on Saturday, 3 siblings with kids, let’s see how it ends up!)

  4. ce

    Headline, first thought Manic Street Preachers, the band

    Reads comment section, next thought, manic street preacher the phenomena

    Carry on…

        1. Slave to the Rhythm

          Have you eaten a few space biscuits this evening?
          Many of your posts are best understood in that context to be fair.

  5. K. Cavan

    When adults were persuaded, bribed, pressured, lied to, coerced, bullied, shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, excluded, punished, criminalised & dehumanised to take the Fake Vaccines for the Fake Pandemic, you can be sure it was not “for our own good”.
    In the case of this attempt to push toxic experimental gene treatments on our children, they don’t even attempt to make that argument & admit it has zero health benefits for children, so you can be damn sure that it’s meant to harm them & everyone knows it certainly will harm them, even kill some of them.
    If a single child is harmed by these injections, nothing short of criminal proceedings against those responsible will be acceptable. No excuses, full liability, with the death sentence specially restored for such inexcusable, vile criminality.
    Anyone who supports this is mentally ill, very, very stupid or evil beyond imagining.
    All the Covid Cultists can ponder which of those categories they fit into.

  6. johnnyAppleseed

    It’s not China
    Ok it is China but they didn’t do it purpose
    Don’t wear a mask doctors and nurses need those
    They don’t stop the spread anyway
    No wait they do stop the spread
    You might not need them soon
    No wait, better double up to be safe
    10 days to flatten the curve
    No wait, it should probably be 14
    hmmm better make that 30
    90 days should flatten it
    Ok good job cases are going down
    Uh oh we got too complacent they’re going back up
    Vaccines might take up to 3 years
    Oh wait here’s a vaccine after a few months
    It’s been rigorously tested, promise
    The vaccine stops covid!
    Sorry, I meant to say it stops the SPREAD of covid
    That is to say, it will keep you out of the hospital if you get it
    But only for the original strain
    The Vaccine will only be necessary for at risk groups
    Oops, I think ever adult will need to get the vaccine
    Better vaccinate the kids just to be safe
    2 shots should do it
    I mean 3
    Actually it’s looking like 4

  7. f_lawless

    Flashback to October 2020:
    Kate Bingham, head of the UK government’s vaccine task force, unequivocally states:

    “People keep talking about ‘time to vaccinate the whole population’, but that is misguided. There’s going to be no vaccination of people under 18. It’s an adult-only vaccine, for people over 50, focusing on health workers and care home workers and the vulnerable.”

      1. Slave to the Rhythm

        That’s true, the All Blacks really did annihilate them in the Bledisloe Cup and the Rugby Championship

  8. Donker

    Some seriously embarrassing comments in this thread.
    SOQ – I’m scarlet for you. Was there a touch of projection when you said “The subject matter doesn’t count as long as they feel they have won the game” ?

    1. SOQ

      Donkey- you are the one posting under numerous usernames, not me. Young people are going to get injured and some are going to die- do you understand that?

      This is not some stupid narcissistic head game on the internet, it is the real world where people will spend the rest of their lives regretting having taken that injection.

      Although given a few of the comments in this thread, it is quite obvious that at least one person’s grasp of reality is at best- loose.

      1. Charlie

        Oh Javid! :-). Javid is Johnny Sensible compared to some of the knuckle draggers on here these days. It’s an epidemic.

          1. Fred

            You are cooking on gas big dog, good to see you out the kennels, as big R keating sung on the explicit b side, life is a mf’ing rollercoaster.
            Truth getting closer than Glenn now, wuuuuu huuuuuuu!

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