Taoiseach Micheál Martin at Dublin Castle this morning
‘I think there’s an obligation on all of us to reduce socialisation, to take care of everybody’, Taoiseach @MichealMartinTD says, adding ‘we simply have to limit the increase’ of people needing hospital and ICU treatment for #Covid19 | https://t.co/NBxLyj6g5e pic.twitter.com/rbfuQRXvk4
— RTÉ News (@rtenews) November 16, 2021
This morning.
Via RTÊ News:
The Cabinet will today consider a proposal that would strongly advise people to work from home.
The move is being described as far-reaching and people will be advised to attend a workplace only when it is necessary.
A recommendation that Digital Covid Certificates would soon be required in gyms, hairdressers and barbers will also be considered.
The revised modelling says there is the potential for a large wave of infection, still peaking in late November, or early December, but higher than previous models due to waning immunity from vaccination.
While the peak could be at the end of December, large case numbers would last well into February.
Cabinet to consider work from home proposal (RTÉ)
Meanwhile…
THIS IS MASSIVE. I can’t name the security company but they do security for bars & Nightclubs. They were informed last night that their shifts are being cut by 75% in December. You can read into this what you want. But I’m guessing all my vaxed mates won’t get a pint soon🤔🤣🤣🤣
— Naz🇮🇪 (@Naz119109522) November 15, 2021
Anyone?
Meanwhile…
🚨| NEW: Claire Byrne Live has shown two different results for a question on imposing Covid restrictions to control the spread of the virus. The result posted on Twitter showed just 18% of people believe we need to reimpose restrictions — but the poll on TV showed 64% said yes. pic.twitter.com/Ve6Ww6wkwn
— Politics For All Ireland (@PoliticsFAIRL) November 15, 2021
Is that twitterer’s name an unfortunate accident or is he trying to tell us something?
Naz1 was taken
Sooooo anonymous Twitter accounts supplying random stories claiming to be news with anything to back them up is now taken as newsworthy?
Cool cool cool.
Why not? No less reliable than what comes from official sources these days.
Gather information from all sources and assess its validity in the light of everything else that is happening and of your own experiences and research.
“.. and of your own experiences and research”.
We are all experts now.
‘We are all experts now.’
Research involves looking at as many sources as possible and considering their reliablity. Our own experiences are actually part of research and so are the experiences of other people. Sometimes personal reports are the only way to find out what is actually happening. Goldenbrown makes a good comment below, in this respect.
No, if you don’t hold the relevant qualifications, your “research” is just a hobby and should not be relied on even by yourself.
‘No, if you don’t hold the relevant qualifications, your “research” is just a hobby and should not be relied on even by yourself.’
So that would mean I can’t rely on anything I find in my research, including information provided by people held to be experts – like NPHET, etc.
Incidentally, people have to do research to get the ‘relevant qualifications’ and they continue to do research in areas in which they may themselves not have the relvevant qualifications. That’s one way in which knowledge grows.
“So that would mean I can’t rely on anything I find in my research, including information provided by people held to be experts – like NPHET, etc.”
You can rely on such information to be accurate but you are not qualified to process it and come to your own conclusions. Hence, they do the research and then issue the advice. I’m sure you would say to that that there may be conflicting expert opinions, to which the obvious answer is you should rely on the prevailing opinion amongst the experts, not the dissenting opinion.
“Incidentally, people have to do research to get the ‘relevant qualifications’ and they continue to do research in areas in which they may themselves not have the relvevant qualifications. That’s one way in which knowledge grows.”
Agreed but, as i said above, if your research is not to go towards some recognised qualification or you do not already hold such a relevant qualification, it should not be relied on.
There has been many times when the consensus was wrong, your advice is wrong. For some reason you’re oblivious to the conflict of interest at the core of the matter.
@Chris, I’m not giving any advice so I’m not sure what you mean. Can you clarify specifically who it is that has the conflict?
“you should rely on the prevailing opinion amongst the experts”
The conflict is with the system and it’s aims. This whole campaign is not about the safety of the populace.
So in a nutshell, Chris, you don’t trust anyone with an official role or anyone who has a recognised qualification and whose advice is supported by consensus. I think you are the one with the problem here, Chris.
‘the obvious answer is you should rely on the prevailing opinion amongst the experts, not the dissenting opinion’
So prevailing = correct – I must remember that.
So when the ‘experts’ said the sun went round the earth and the ‘dissenting opinion’ said it was the earth that went round sun, it was the ‘experts’ whom one should have believed?
That’s just an example of scientific consensus changing due to new evidence being produced. Obviously the consensus on how to deal with the pandemic could change, in fact it is continuously evolving. But the armchair scientists on broadsheet (SOQ, ematty etc) don’t get to influence the medical / scientific consensus because they are not qualified to.
The truth doesn’t need qualifications – it is what it is – incontrovertible.
Thats why they call you types ‘truthers”.
No, it’s why the truth is the truth – unwavering, unmoved, unaltered – incontrovertibly solid amid an ocean of lies that cannot erode it.
Ah, jungleman, you’re a hostage to “Expertism”, you think nobody can determine that one number is higher than another, without some expert to confirm it? Nonsense.
There is a little more to expertism than knowing that 2 is more than 1. That’s just foundation-level maths.
But yes, when it comes to global pandemics, I will rely on the experts. That makes sense to most people.
@jungleman We have already been subjected to a devastating protracted lockdown – the longest in Europe. More might be on the way. To this day, the Irish authorities have failed to present the benefits versus the costs of implementing such a draconian regime on the population. Same goes for mask mandates. No risk-benefit analysis presented. No review of the how these interventions have fared has ever been provided to the public. Just: “they work because, we know they work”. Emergency Covid legislation has been rushed through the Dail with no proper scrutiny or meaningful debate, making a mockery of our democratic system.
The public have been treated with contempt by those in authority. Maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to mock those who decided to seek out dissenting expert opinion and, through use of their own critical thinking skills, deemed that opinion to be more credible?
What was it old Albert E. once said: “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth”
Make no mistake, this is a spiritual war between truth and lies.
https://brownstone.org/articles/vaclav-havel-and-the-semiotics-of-public-masking/
That’s a pretty accurate article, Chris.
Thanks.
not condoning it in any way, I hate chitter as much as the next fella
but the one thing I’d say is that throughout my life I’ve had tip offs about various things in this very manner
i.e. an in-the-know who works for some service or support crowd supplying the main operator…usually pissed off because they’ve lost out on work and spills beans
most recent one was EP – I knew months in advance it wasn’t happening
end of day Ireland is just a small town
Exactly. Thanks, goldenbrown.
Did you carry out any due diligence on that account before quoting them as a ‘source’ ? At least reach out to them directly first ?
I only looked at their first few tweets and this kind of talk doesn’t really paint them in a credible light – https://twitter.com/Naz119109522/status/1460387274131136522
Churlish to have a go at them for not using their real name or the unfortunate randomised name they got however.
Ah here, everyone knew EP wasn’t happening.
perhaps jungleman, perhaps..
but I knew because I actually knew ;)
i think you could safely bet a tenner against a kick in the balls it wasn’t going to happen.
reasonable scottser…
but could they have bet the house?
I thought cases were to peak in September, then October, then late October, than November?
It’s almost as if their modelling is absolute crap – so now theyre planning restrictions till February again.
How many years will we lose from this carry on
Their models are always deployed to scare the public, because a model is a prediction it is very hard to contradict (especially when sourced from the authorized experts). Look at any of the models Nolan used to unleash the scary and they were all exaggerated by a factor of 3-4, when the actual data came through. Yet still we’re jumping and saying “how high”.
“..and they were all exaggerated by a factor of 3-4”..
.. because of the measures taken on foot of the modeling, but’s let’s forget that bit.
No I hadn’t. So their models don’t account for, or incorporate, the measures they use them to propose? then the “predictive models” are BS, compiled to justify a course of action rather than predict the future outcome.
My god. If an oncologist tells you that your tumor is going to kill you if you don’t remove it, should you disregard his advice because he is using the fact you will die if the tumor is not removed to justify the advised course of action?
What you say above is utterly stupid.
What about climate action? Climate change modeling is used to justify the changes that the world’s governments now accept need to be made. Should we disregard this modeling because it tells us what will happen if those changes are not made?
‘How many years will we lose from this carry on’
Ever heard of winter hibernation? It used to be for bears, squirrels, etc. Now its coming in for humans, too, with a possible temporary awakening for Christmas. This is the second trial run. If it works, it’ll run each year from the start of the high season for flu/Covid/current-winter-illlness until as late in the next year as possible.
it’s
a lost decade, anyone…?
https:www.ancient-origins.net/news//evolution-origins/human-hibernation-0014700
:-)
Come on, Mr.T, you must’ve got the message about The New Normal by now or are the plans for our future published on the net by an organization that includes billionaires & government ministers, including Irish ministers, among its membership, just another Conspiracy Theory?
Socialising & holidays are being suppressed, deliberately, to “Save The Planet” or rather save it’s resources for exclusive use by the Elites, in their attempt to hoover up as much wealth as possible, for no particular reason beyond avarice & greed.
Covid is a made-up name for a media-created pandemic. The 5% of our hospital beds being occupied by “Covid victims” right now would be occupied by Flu Victims anyway. Even at the absolute height of this Scamdemic, in mid-February this year, there was no unusual pressure on our health system, since the flu had mysteriously disappeared.
By 2030, the UN plans to shut down the majority of our airports & much else besides & unless people stop swallowing those blue pills & believing the Mass Media, which exists to manage us, not inform us, we are heading for a Dystopian Future.
Welcome to The New Normal.
The answer to your question about how many years we will lose to this crap is simple, all of them.
+ 1
Those pesky haircuts are finally being dealt with and those dreadful healthy gym goers.
“but higher than previous models due to waning immunity from vaccination.”
Marvellous things, them Covid vaccines, what they can do for us – push up the curve! We’ve come along way, and for what?
Kind of surprised he said this, is it a soft intro to “My Immune system, the Vaccines do nothing”
+1 Kind of a soft admission of vaccine Antibody Dependent Enhancement, etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine_misinformation_and_hesitancy#Antibody-dependent_enhancement
Somewhat comforting but somewhat the opposite also.
Massive industry now in antigen testing at €7.00 a pop discounted to €5.00
Imagine the moolah
And who will pay ? The business ? The customer?
The government?
Take a bar 200 punters =a grand a day
A great little nation and antigen testing ain’t going to stop this virus
A great little country to do business in
The new RHI scandal.
Antigen test manufacturer gets a 2€ subsidy per test made not sold I assume, seeing as they are not sold directly to consumer but to wholesalers/retailers first.
So they’ll be ramping up production and they dont even need to sell them all, just pocket the subsidies.
Took a while. I wonder who the lucky supplier of the tests is. A builder from Clare? A brother of a Political Party leader? An entertainment company? A supplier of dodgy hand-wash?
Their next concern is global warming and the war on plastic. Now go to any outlet and buy a rapid antigen test: verify for yourself how much, in the content of any antigen test, is recyclable or biodegradable. Multiply that by millions of daily tests performed worldwide and then give me a plausible explanation as to why I cannot buy a disposable plastic cup or straw. Add to that the “disposable” ppe equipment. They are constantly fooling you, every day they raise the bar of tolerance because they continuously see acceptance: until the majority don’t see this we’ll be doomed to this “new normal”
Now closing the night clubs the curfews
It just moves underground
But let’s face it the night clubs should never been allowed to open as let’s face it the policing inside by the operators was virtually zero
I believe In The vaccine I believe in the mask wearing and believe that those who are reckless will have more chance of getting it so personal responsibility
Maybe time special field hospitals are used to exclusively care for those who come down with covid
Today 140 flights arrive into Ireland and each flight packed with possible new cases
So as long as this continues it’s just to keep on keeping on
I give the hospitals a month before they start collapsing
If this country went down the New Zealand route at least we could deal with the present crises and stop new strains coming in
Our best defence is the fact we are an island nation but more complicated because we have a land border
And that’s our weak point
But it’s still not too late and we have pretty much everyone vaccinated that helps prevent you ending up in hospital
The cowardly are a far bigger problem than any virus. Go away with your lockdown (CCP) nonsense.
Masks, Social Distancing & Lockdowns, the Holy Trinity of the Covid Cult all have two things in common. Firstly they do not stop the spread of a Coronavirus. Secondly, they weaken our Immune Systems.
The fake vaccines were never going to work, if it had been possible to cure most Common Colds, it would’ve been done some time ago. If mRNA injections worked they would’ve been commonplace since the mid to late-80s, for various ills, including Cancer.
It’s a scam, right from the first, clearly fake, Chinese video of people falling down in the street & trucks spraying chemicals everywhere, it’s been lies, disinformation, confusion, corruption & propaganda. There was no noticeable increase in total mortality in Ireland (or anywhere else) in 2020, that’s a simply-verified fact.
In reality, one has to sadly accept that if people fall victim to such a clownish con, it’s their own naivety that’s to blame & if you can’t see that Vaccine Passports are nothing to do with saving lives, you’ll get the dystopian future you deserve.