I’m a family of 4 that used to eat out every week, but because of covid certs that’s 4 covers lost out 1-2 times every week since July to local restaurants, 4 tickets to the cinema, 4 to do pretty much anything…. And they wonder why businesses are quiet. Share your story too.
— Girlireland37 🌸 ☘️ (@h_irish37) December 13, 2021
Clare: “Family of 5. Went into M&S on Grafton St during the summer, spent €300+ on clothes for an upcoming wedding. Tried the café upstairs. Turned away as one of us didn’t have a cert. Asked if we could sit in the outdoor section, was told no, because of an earlier rain shower.”
Sandie Byrne: “Family of 4, would usually eat out a couple of times per week, I now refuse to give money to anywhere that asks for cert – not even for takeaway. In addition eldest is in last year of university, his whole class are planning to leave this “Kip” as soon as they graduate.”
KezG: “Same here cinemas at least 2/3 a month dinner out once a week and would go away for a night once a month to hotel not done this now since July/ august would always buy vouchers for local restaurants at xmas for friends and family but I’m not supporting them at all this year.”
Freedom Over Fear: “Same here we’d go out at least twice if not 3 times per week for food & drinks, one trip to the cinema and shopping for 3 of us ( average spend per outing €100) we don’t bother now we’ve cooking nights, take away nights and movie nights & save a fortune.”
THisisme: “Family of 3. Used to go out to breakfast most wknds. My daughter loves the cinema but can’t go now. I’d fly home (UK) a lot. didn’t fly back the first 18 months & can’t afford all the testing. My parents have missed so much of their granddaughter’s life.”
Ros Hutchinson: “We used to eat out a couple of times a week plus frequent trips to theatres and cinemas.Also multiple weekends away in hotels in U.K. particularly London. Haven’t eaten in a restaurant, attended any indoor events or stayed in a hotel since March 2020.”
Anne O’Brien: “Family of 5 and we’d eat out 2/3 times a week. Also would holiday in Ireland 3 times a year for 3 nights. Tbh, it doesn’t bother me anymore, I buy good wine and make nice food and we have friends over.”
FIGHT!
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This is a bunch of people I hope I never get to meet in real life. KezG. People are so bloody entitled.
Is it just me or do all of these “comments” sound like horse manure?
It’s never just you! Also, I’m shocked that Sandie the Psychic didn’t see it coming!
Liam, why do they sound like horse manure? My partner and I eat out 2/3 times a week and we stay in a hotel every other weekend, sometimes more frequently. He’s jabbed, I’m not, and while our choices have been limited since the vax passports were made mandatory but not compulsory, we’ve stuck to our more regular haunts and the staff appreciate our visits, especially with the imposition of the latest restrictions – probably even more so after next Friday.
We both work very hard and the hours are long, I’m sure we’re not alone in that, but it enables us to spend our money as we please.
anyone who refuses to go to a place because they ask for covid certs is being angry at the wrong people. by asking for certs they’re simply following the rules that government told them to. they don’t want to risk being caught by an inspector and being closed down. bad mouthing them and wishing them to lose business is insanely selfish.
Spot on Dr.
But by not going, they’re putting pressure on the restaurants, which will in turn put pressure on the politicians. I don’t agree with the bad mouthing, unless the establishment has itself bad mouthed someone or some group on their facebook / twitter etc.
If the owner is a complete bell-end like Ger Whelan of Whelans Bar on Camden, they deserve all the abuse they get.
I don’t think it is a question of being angry, it is a repulsion at taking part in a system which supports such discrimination. You may say that is just Indological but to most of us, equality is part of our DNA, and everyone has a right to spend their money where they choose.
Although as below, I do agree that people should try to be a little more understanding of the impossible situation business owners have been placed in.
*ideological
You’re a good guy, really, your heart is in the right place, but seriously this is not discrimination pal.
No offence but is usually those who are doing the discriminating who are the first to claim there is none.
Michael McNamara challenged the government to produce the evidence that Vaccine Passports reduce infection and he was met with a deafening silence. Up north people were told that the reasons for introducing ‘papers please’ was “confidential”.
If they have evidence then let them publish it because otherwise, it is just coercion and yes- discrimination.
Ah it’s not fella
It might be misguided, unfair, wrong even – have adverse consequences to be fair
But it’s not discriminatory
You can choose to participate in it if you want.
Taking away people’s freedoms until they comply with your wishes is not a choice- it is bullying.
Maybe it is, but not discriminatory, thanks for backing me up on that.
Essential Meaning of discrimination
1: the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination
You are claiming it is the practice of FAIRLY treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people- maybe you could help us out here- on what basis?
Because the governments won’t bloody answer.
On the basis they choose not to observe completely voluntary public service guidelines
It clearly discriminates against anyone exercising their Constitutional right to bodily integrity and to decline medical treatments. Treating a person negatively for exercising such rights is discrimination. Oh, you’ve the right go do this but if you do, the State will penalise, punish and exclude you from society. If they did the exact same to a religious group, it’d be accepted as clear discrimination. Like the bloody soup kitchens demanding one convert to the Church of Ireland to get their soup. Yeah, you can easily convert but one has a clear right to choose ones own religion.
On the basis they choose not to observe completely voluntary public health guidelines….
this is not discrimination, it does not apply to a person’s race, colour, religion nor specifically to members of the travelling community, discrimination has a legal definition and what you provide does not meet it, it would be better to lobby to change the law if you have a bone to pick with the application of public health policy
“discrimination has a legal definition ”
The travelling community was only added fairly recently to that list.
By your logic, any Traveler who faced discrimination before the point it was added to the discrimination list – wasn’t actually discriminated against.
So, just coz it isn’t written down, doesn’t mean it isn’t discrimination matey
;)
It’s not discrimination. The rule is applied equally to everyone that as soon as you get vaccinated you can do x. Being unvaccinated is not an essential biological or cultural state, it’s more like a driving license than, let’s say, being a member of the traveling community.
You’re so quick to indulge your persecution complex, which is such a strange thing to do. As uh oh said, it might be unfair, not right, or many other things….but objectively there is not an ounce of discrimination afoot.
It’s a real display of how ignorant you’ve been for your whole life up until about the realities of modern discrimination that you would call it so.
Tell me this:
If a nudist entered a restaurant/pub and was refused service (and/or arrested) would that be discrimination?
Is a club having a “no runners” policy discrimination?
Is a pub having a “no alcohol for under 18s ” policy discrimination?
I feel bad for you Micko
Honestly, you seem like a nice fella, but just not that advanced in your reasoning
As I wrote none of the things listed above are discrimination, and when the law was changed re Travellers, it was not retrospectively applied either.
So not sure why you are offering such a flimsy, straw man argument,
Well in fact, it’s because you are not capable of anything else.
“The rule is applied equally to everyone that as soon as you get vaccinated you can do x”
So basically “as soon as you do as you’re told you can do x”
Absolutely astonishing that statement seems so ok with you…
Cian, I suppose it would depend. Do I have to have the runners internally?
uh ho –
I am not a “nice fellah”. Don’t feel bad for me.
Lol do you really need me to type out ‘x’ = indoor dining / cafes for the next few weeks of the worldwide pandemic? Is there no reason left around these parts? You should take a couple of days off, you’re getting yourself really hyped up.
“you’re getting yourself really hyped up.”
Wait until I start using THE CAPITALS!!!
You think it’s the next few weeks… ah bless…
Just two more weeks… one final push… nearly there…
Ah bless yourself.
Whether it will be just a few more weeks or longer, there is a general move towards more things being open, in a longer margin I mean. I don’t have my finger totally on the pulse of what’s going on in Ireland because I’m not on de island myself, but I don’t think government are denying businesses the opportunity to open fully just for the lols. They tried opening before, and things didn’t work out as hoped. Hopefully they’ll try again soon. I’d love for everyone to be able to go out and enjoy themselves wherever they are. You’ve a bad attitude today and the loudness that you’re performing at isn’t fun for anyone else, you can see it yourself in the comments.
When you go to an hotel with a PCR test and you’re told by an auld fellow that he’s just following government orders and you cannot enter the restaurant, it feels very much like D I S C R I M A T I O N and nothing to do with health.
I’m not surprised people on here say it’s not the D word, that it’s something else, few of you have never experienced discrimination in your lives. You know it when you come up against it, the haughty tone, the change in voice when they ask you are you vaccinated and the look of total disrespect when you answer truthfully. The shame pours over your body and soul, it is what it is. Today it’s for a vaccination, yesterday they just didn’t like how you spoke or the look of you.
Ok another one that doesn’t understand discrimination lol. The worst forms of discrimination do not necessarily require a tone or a change in voice, rather they manifest in more plain but devastating ways. Being denied equal opportunity in healthcare, employment, housing, access to loans…being able to marry the spouse of your choosing, and all the benefits that go along with that. Having to leave the country of your birth for fear of being killed due to an unchangeable aspect of your sex. These are items of discrimination.
On the lower end of things, access to businesses and so on can be discriminatory but only if they are caused by an aspect of your personhood under which you can be discriminated. Your choosing not to have a vaccine does not make the grade here.
Again this willingness to describe this temporary problem as discrimination shows your total carelessness towards the members of your own society that can and do suffer discrimination. Awful stuff.
“They’re just doing what they’re told”
Godwinning here, but isnt that the line used by Nazi collaborators during Nuremberg trials? “Just following orders” – not exactly of the same seriousness but the principle is the same.
There are plenty of establishments not enforcing the passes, so its clearly possible to refuse to enforce it – most prefer to attempt to remove any agency from themselves, and say they do it because someone else told them.
I think there is a certain amount of businesses’ who are so close to the line that they are prepared to take the risk- at least that way they have a fighting chance.
Something the media and politicians will never factor in when the talk of ‘compliance’ of course- because they have no clue about the hardship small businesses are enduring- nor do they care less.
They could start a GoFundMe scam. It’s the cool thing for restaurants to do now!
I know ridiculous. Like people hating on Vichy France when they should have aimed their ire at the Nazis themselves.
Geez the Celtic Tiger is roaring again, I wonder if there is a correlation better the wealth to eat out a couple of nights a week & being self entitled
right there …Irish mentality
when your expectations in life are so low that eating out is a big deal, notions etc,
Do you know on the continent it’s really not a big deal, it’s not fancy, it’s not some kind of entitlement, it’s good. Jesus raise the bar a little, life is for living. You earn the money, you spend it how you like and fupp the judging curtain twitchers this nation seems to breed.
* it’s just food
It is just food
Well said, Janet.
I was talking to a pub owner from up north recently about passports there and he is a real predicament. On one hand he doesn’t want to turn people away while on the other, he could face a £10 k fine if caught more than once. His personal opinion is like mine- that it is all stupid nonsense- but that doesn’t change the dilemma he is in.
And I expect that is how most of these business owners are feeling- they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t. No matter what they decide, someone is going to get offended, which is the worst possible situation anyone relying on good will for their trade could be in.
All because of a decision made by a bunch of cowardly politicians who’s incomes won’t be affect in the slightest either way.
Did he have a pint in each hand?
Family of X, delighted that indoor spaces are restricted to those who take the community responsibility of getting vaccinated. Wonder if all these kids dying to get out of this kip will only travel to countries with open policies on vaccination and mask wearing…
Boo Hoo etc.
The community responsibility of being just as infectious is it? There is no communitarian argument for passports- none.
There is. You are constantly corrected. You constantly ignore it.
Any research on the subject does not factor in the waning effect, which we now know is rapid.
Otherwise, there should be a strong correlation between increasing vaccination rates and declining infection rates- which there is not. The unvaccinated can only be blamed for so long.
Your claims are based on dubious claims from vested interests and real world evidence e.g. Waterford and Gibraltar prove the vaccines are useless at preventing transmission.
‘Real world evidence’ – selective, decontextualised, unexamined and chosen to fit your conclusion.
Family of three, been out eating and drinking the whole time because unlike most compliant people, we have a set of balls between us and have no problem looking a jobsworth in the eyes and bare faces lying to them about our vaccination status – while smiling of course.
The smile always sells it :-)
Yeah sure,when and where in Dublin did this work recently,table for 3 please,,,,no…no…..but I have my s**t eating GRIN on……..
You eat s**t?
I knew New York cuisine was bad – but holy moley
l-)
I’m embarrassed for your child,I truly am,she’s old enough to know,I would have been mortified,totally confused to be dragged into lies by my Dad,absolutely horrified.
Agree, she’s the real victim here, but we can’t choose our parents, sadly.
Ooooh
Well played lads. I always enjoy the “you’re a bad parent” shaming card. That’s a good move. Should always be used in moderation though. Two at the same time is a bit much
I think you’ve sacrificed your Queen…
Also, if the rest of society and media trying to shame me into complying with moronic edicts didn’t work – what makes you think that will? ;-)
Nothing – don’t give a crap about you or what you do Micko, it’s a free country, feel sorry for your kid though at least one of their parents is an ingrained ignoramus
What?
How dare you talk about my wife in that way sir!!!
She’s a woman of unquestionable virtue and intelligence.
…i often feel sorry for those kids,the dad shouting outside,causing a scene or worse involved in his patholigical lies,dragging kids to places that neither belong nor are welcome….cmon its gonna be a laugh where are your BALLS kid ….ah ive big enough swinging pair for the whole family,ah cmon…eh dad really again with this…
let me in
lemmein mister
i know the owner
let me in
im on the list
do you know who i am
im 6’2”
but im grinning
“…i often feel sorry for those kids,”
But not for the kids you might potentially run over in your car while driving around off your bin on weed eh?
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Ooooh – the shame card IS a good card to play
Ho ho ho… still grinning
100% johnny
Micko Junior is going around telling everyone at school, you should see me da, he tells people lies and has balls, meanwhile the Principal is listening to this going on and going, ah jaysus, that’s that swivel-eyed loon that was at the gate last week…
“100% Johnny”
This was your first mistake uh ho
Never go FULL Johnny…
“Micko Junior” eh?
Junior is reference to the male of the species only – non?
Interestingly, I also note the way you referred to my daughter as “she” initially in your post up above and then you caught yourself potentially mis-gendering her (shock horror ) and referred to her as “their” later in your subsequent post.
A genuine mistake or self regulation and self correction on your side?
You decide your level of compliance ;)
meanwhile the other kids are going, your Da’s a mad oul yoke he is, they’re saying that on Broadsheet an all
Oh… it’s school yard stuff you want then is it my lad?
Johnny Johnny Johnny!
Look what Uh Ho said about you over here today. – he said you’re lame.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/12/14/shoot-the-messenger/#comment-2378550
Unless of course you like being compared to an old ageing rocker – in which case – double thumbs up!
yeah I hear her Da is ma’ ou’ of it, he is, he goes around telling other Mas he has big balls an all
“her Da is ma”
True – we are very progressive.
I’m wearing my wives underwear right now.
Need to have the last word always fella? What a delicate little flower… so much for balls
probably while the kid is puzzled asking why they’re going to a restaurant, because they never used to eat out before. But Daddy wants to do some weird smug crappola to some waiter who can’t even afford his rent.
indeed.
Yes,
McDonalds was all she ever had before. She’s really taken to the caviar though… what a star she is.
Also, if you actually read what I said before ye jump on the bandwagon there el Doctoro Farto – I said I “lie” to the waiter and then smile.
Not some “weird smug crapolla”. That would kinda defeat the purpose of – ye know – “getting to eat indoors” now wouldn’t it.
Jeez… you guys…
Everything about this comment is contemptible.
beyond repulsive, especially the utter lack of compassion for restaurant workers
Yes, I always feel compassion for the restaurant workers as they are made to wear masks as they serve me.
There is some amount of empty space floating around in your brain
Interesting theory
Did you know that 99.9999999 percent of YOU is empty space?
https://www.sciencealert.com/99-9999999-of-your-body-is-empty-space
Psst… me too
……the bare faced lying part is easy believe,in fairness.
And yet comment below comparing people who are hesitant about taking an experimental gene therapy with no long term safety data to paedophiles is not?
Oh it is, but I don’t respond to people who type things like that SOQ
At the end of the day we’re all trying to make sense of an imperfect world here man
Probably but you allege kids wearing masks is child abuse, so you’re a pair.
Of course it is child abuse and a lot of parents obviously agree- interesting how there is word of primary school children any more eh?
We will just chalk that one up to the paramilitary organisation known as the ICA then.
See? You love revolting your comparisons. You’ve no grounds to complain about others.
Sure- being compared to a paedophile is just fine then.
Doesn’t seem to enter your head that calling people who put masks on their children child abusers might be deeply wrong on a number of levels, does it? You quite like how outrageous and inappropriate it is, obviously, since if you can’t persuade people of your deeply inane views you can at least provoke a reaction by being inappropraite and outrageous.
Yes, you mentioned before how you use your size to intimidate lowly menial service staff.
What a hero.
And, I’ve explained that I try to bend down to make them feel better Nilbert – but they are STILL terrified of me!
One fainted once
Now I know why the Gruffalo cried…
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Also “lowly menial”? Interesting choice of words there Nilby
You used the term ‘jobsworth’ -…
Look at all the attention you’re getting today Micko, you must be over the moon!!
“lowly menial”, yes that is exactly what your post implies you think of them? You missed that did you?
still… look at all the attention!
“You used the term ‘jobsworth’ -…”
Yes. Yes I did. well done. That is describing someone attitude. Their way of seeing and behaving the world.
“lowly menial” describes something else – now doesn’t it.
Oh what a meritocracy we find ourselves in boys.
“Look at all the attention you’re getting today Micko”|
Well, we could stop replying to each other?
You go first 3…2…1…
Notice how the antivax people all have to crow about themselves, ematty is the smartest, micko is a giant among men, soq has told us (no idea why) that he’s savage in the sack.
Low self esteem and denial go hand in hand apparently. Interesting.
Micko also has balls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVBfEE7batM
Laughing all the way 1212
Also Papi: Please study sarcasm and irony.
We’ll have an exam in the morning.
I’m eight foot nine and have a black belt in sarcasm, Mick, you’re just hiding behind that because you got called out, megaballs.
A black belt you say. Oh good
How are you on Irony?
“you got called out,”
Called out you say? You sound like a Traveller lad “calling out” other travellers on Youtube.
Screaming “I called you out – I’ll figh any man” while waving their fists etc etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44dtHz1QbFQ
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Unless of course you are member of the traveller community, in which case I respect and honour your rich culture and heritage. ;)
Phew… think I covered myself there eh…? Wouldn’t wanna be engaged in ACTUAL discrimination or anything.
soq has told us (no idea why) that he’s savage in the sack.
I misread that as “average in the sack” and was wondering why you’d boast about that! LOL
Lot of explaining for a guy with huge balls and not afraid of anything.
Lot of explaining.
Yes- When you’re explaining, you’re losing
A family of 3. We eat out twice a week. (a lunch and a dinner). We are happy to support local cafes/restaurants during these tough times. We will also tip the staff generously. We also do a lot of activities and day trips across the country. To the entitled a-holes, this is just basic living. Not sure why dropping a fifty at the local chipper is seen by some as some sort of an act of god-line intervention. Get over yourselves. Given the number of unvaxxed pr*cks, you’re in the minority. The local gastropub is doing just fine without your business, you aren’t that special.
“ Given the number of unvaxxed pr*cks, you’re in the minority. ”
True. And if history and culture had taught us anything, it’s that it’s always proper and correct for the majority to pee on the minority.
:)
Im vaccinated, so dont fall into the simple-minded anti-vax title. Have no intention of engaging with COVID passes and find them disgusting.
Well the vaccine lowers transmission and people knew the risks of not getting the vaccine so diddums
The same whine about rights anti vaxxers make was the same argument advanced by paedos who said their rights are infringed
Jesus wept, what a comparison
+ not cool
It’s just pathetic that someone would think thats anywhere near a comparison, loons on all sides.
I’d have more sympathy for restaurant and bar owners at this time if they all weren’t such a collection of money-grabbing rip-off bar-stewards.
Anyone who charges €28 for a steak they bought for a few euros in Lidl or €25 for a bottle of Chilean cooking wine can fupp right off as far as I’m concerned.
As can those turds who say you must vacate your table by a certain time.
Or automatically add a gratuity to the bill while still leaving the tip line open.
And those greedy pub owners – who’ve enjoyed a very comfortable lockdown with full PUP and additional monthly bungs of 10% of their previous year’s turnover – can do one to the sound of the world’s smallest violin.
Hello hospitality industry.Welcome to Karma
…+1 Gearoid…I love pubs…I missed them desperately when they were closed…but the scalping of the poor customer has been obscene…I’ve gone from 7 days to 3 days and soon to 2…my days of being a regular are gone…
Ah Jesus Gearoid.
A great restaurant is lovely experience.
Tasty food, fab wine, good company, table service, friendly staff, trying something new on the menu and of course the general atmosphere – walking in and the lovely smells hit you as they waft from the kitchen, your mouth salivating in anticipation of the tasty dishes you’re about to have.
Lovely stuff…
I think you’re paying for the experience.
Shame you don’t suppprt them more,like by oh I don’t know….eh going and eating,by walking in….
Wha?
I’m in them all the time. See post above re: set of balls
I agree entirely Micko.
Trouble is most restaurants in Ireland are over-priced with poor quality food.
The last time I ate out the two most exotic things things on the menu were lamb shanks and chicken curry.Those two main courses,a couple of desserts,two coffees and a bottle of average Chilean red came to more than €100.
Pub owners charging nearly six euros a pint who can’t be bothered to offer free WiFi and look at you like you’re an alien if you enquire about food.
I have zero sympathy for these gougers.They reap what they sow.
I agree but a lot of people are employed in the sector
At the end of the day no one’s making you pay €40 for a Lidl steak
I wrote €28 for a steak – you increased it to €40.
Obviously you’re in the restaurant business…
Ha!
Ah fair enough Gearoid. Crap restaurants suck.
Maybe I just eat at a higher class of rip off gastropub than you Gearóid.
You pay €40 for a steak in a GASTROPUB?
Jeez lad,someone is have a very good laugh at your expense.
Gearóid, *maybe* your meal truly was exotic in that the lamb was from New Zealand and the chicken curry was from the Taj Mahal – not the one on Dorset St, obviously…
Won’t somebody think of the carbon footprint!
Please don’t share your story …
I’ve been to restaurants, cafes, cinemas, theatres, hotels, pubs and each experience has been made all the more pleasant knowing self entitled whingebags aren’t being allowed to ruin it. Poor staff having to deal with all those Karens, demanding to speak to the manager, believing because they’ve a bit of cash to throw around that the world revolves around them and that they’re doing you a favour by deigning to dine in your establishment. I get the vibe that some of them were entitled nightmares before the covid certs came in and probably treated retail and hospitality staff like dirt.
Talk about projection.
Talk about predictable, my sad little SOQpuppet.
Yes and predictable too- from the person who supported passports, then claimed there was no evidence she supported them, to now supporting them again.
I used to be indecisive but now I am not sure eh?
Keep throwing those tantrums. They’re tastier than any indoor cup of coffee!
No tantrums darlin- just pointing out your twisting is all.
I love that I can trigger you so easily.
Yes well- narcissists are like that.
Sit, Ubu, sit.
Grow up.
Triggered.
Sing along there Charlene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgIk2b68gQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrh4r2JJBxA
Very good. I hadn’t heard that one.
This is really exciting.
Sandie Byrne, you can fupp right off out of this alleged kip with your bell-end son and his inconsiderate chums.
She must be someone who came of age during the Celtic Tiger. Before that, everyone planned to leave this kip after finishing school.
And takeaways don’t require covid certs because you’re not eating on the premises. Antis spew some absolute bullpoo.
I hear they let those kinds of people vote now too
I often wonder how psychics vote… seeing as they know the outcome and all.
They use woo
be a terrible shame if someone contacted these moron’s employers and let them know they’re dangerously unvaccinated…….
Employers? You think those fantasists work?
Over 80 per cent of people in Ireland aged over 18 are fully vaccinated. Thankfully the people in this post are a small minority.
So you think it is only the unvaccinated who aren’t bothering eh?
‘Thankfully the people in this post are a small minority.’
The majority of people in this post seem to be vaccine-pushers, Stephen, and they are pretty unpleasant towards people who dare to disagree with them. Thankfully, I have found that this type of person is in a minority amongst the people I know, who mainly favour letting people decide for themselves and who, on the whole, have only had the vaccine so they don’t get discriminated against. I do know some who are viciously vaccine-pushing but I avoid them like the ‘plague’, which they are preaching about.
I like your world view John
You’re a good bloke. ;)
Tune – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBAgAxn1x4
Yeh, like the drug-pushers, the vaccine-pushers are the ones who should be kept away from the general public and then people could make up their own minds, based on all the evidence, not just the narrow range of information provided by the pushers (be they offical pushers or their fans).
Ill tell you what anti vaxxers are..a pack of selfish kings
Well done on wrecking everyone else’s lives as you choose to follow a false prophet like Delores Cahill
The science is there….I’ve posted the papers and links here
If you dont want it then live with the consequences of your actions
I would go onr further and do what the Austrians did
I’m watching mental health of family and friends go awry and the perpetual whingers can think of is not being able to eat out
Get over yourselves
Being “forced” to eat/drink off the premises is EXACTLY THE SAME as being sent to Treblinka.
There’ll be a rally soon where they’ll stand outside the Ivy screeching paedo at anyone inside.
Ah Fluffy, You sound like that lady waving the shopping bags around in that “I hear you’re a racist” bit in Father Ted.
“Good for you Father! You tell em! The Greeks, Father!!! The Greeks – a pack of selfish kings” etc
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And for the benefit of anyone who ACTUALLY has been living on an Island for the past 30 years ;)
https://youtu.be/6zkL91LzCMc?t=117
@ fluffybiscuits
Mental health, why is that?
You know it was the government who imposed the lockdowns and restrictions as well as pushing vaccines.
You’ve been played like a harp.
BTW what do you call someone who didn’t get the flu jab, are they anti-vax or just not vaxxed?
You’re spewing phrases posted in the media, simple words which allow you to place people in a box.
You might engage with that thing between your ears before replying.
Fliuffy – you lost any credibility with your earlier post above. …………..
“The same whine about rights anti vaxxers make was the same argument advanced by paedos who said their rights are infringed”
Sometimes it’s advisable to quit digging.
I’m talking about the turmoil I’m seeing first hand. Anti vaxxers are reservoirs for both variants and increased transmission levels
The comparison to paedos is quite apt…they see themselves as both not being a danger to society and feel their rights impinged. Covid is ripping it’s way through the kids at the moment
And as for lack of credibility….those in glass houses etc
You do see the paedo comparison as being a red herring much like a lot of nonsense peddled those Dolores groupies on facebook…..Paedo rights and antivaxxer rights are tautological
OK, so you’ve given us a glaringly mulit-coloured version of the world. Now put down your kaleidoscope and come back to reality. It would help if you first defined what you mean by an ‘anti vaxxer’ so we know who it is that you claim ‘are reservoirs for both variants and increased transmission levels’ and then a bit of evidence to substantiate your claim would not go amiss.
At the moment your post just reads as a bilious rant. Take a leaf out of f_lawless or Cian’s books and, in normal tones, back up your assertions with information that can be considered rationally.
@John
The kicker is I have but its painted as mainstream media in collusion
There is no reasoning with a nest of vipers
@ fluffybiscuits
I’m afraid I couldn’t make head nor tail of your response but it didn’t seem to give your definition of ‘anti vaxxer’ or to provide evidence for your claims about the people to whom you are applying the term.
Hardly worth asking what the ‘nest of vipers’ refers to. You obviously are more adapt at throwing insults and aspersions around than you are at giving reasoned arguments. That doesn’t do your case any good.
As I say, quit digging
Expert after expert is now saying that vaccinated can be just as infectious but sure don’t let science or data get in the way of your prejudice. There is no correlation between vaccine and infection rates- AT ALL- if anything quite the opposite.
Comparing people with paedophiles says way more about you than anyone else and shows how desperate you are becoming in your rush to defend this corruption- and that is exactly what it is.
And for the record- there is quite a number of gay men involved in the freedom movement- why? Because like myself they have been around since the HIV/AIDS scandal- you really need to cop yourself on.
@SDQ Trying being at the forefront. Your patronising tone should be kept for chatting in the hair salon
I used a huge hysterically inappropriate analogy as that is exactly what it feels like when you talk with anti vaxxers. No reasoning ever works
It’s not that long ago since we gay men were accused of being paedophiles Fluffy- but I agree-, it is a hugely hysterically inappropriate analogy.
You realise vis a vis your hysterical reactions to the posts that it’s just as bad.
No- I am just sick and tried of the mud slinging. There are many educated intelligent people within the freedom movement- including some who are experts in their fields, but you won’t hear of them unless you really look for them.
You’re some man to raise questions about the credibility of others…
Not about you though. you haven’t any. No question about that.
Making friends online again then Giggigy?
Testing 1-2-1-2. Scan man
You never answered me about your loser protest yesterday dude: no one gave a truck in the end?
Can anyone name a SINGLE pub or restaurant gone out of business because of COVID?
Yes, the cafe that used to be the most popular one in our town and another one that we used to go to regularly. That’s just off the top of my head. I expect I could find others, if I thought about it, but you only asked for one so I’ve already doubled your requirement.
A cafe without a name going out of business? Might want to look at the marketing strategy there, Smurfit….
Market Square Cafe and On the Way – you asked if I could name them not that I should actually do so. As you probably didn’t know the places anyway, I didn’t see that you needed the names – after all, they are closed down now so you can’t eat at them any more, sadly.
Donaghmede Inn went whallop
Probably not a bad thing though… was an awful kip.
Dusty Bin they used to call it.
Oh and the Gym in Raheny too
What about the Wander Inn? Is that still going?
3Qs in greystones.
I’ll miss their chocolate fondant.
Fintan getting a kicking in the Irish Times today. When middle Ireland IT letter writers have had it with the anti-vax name-calling by official Ireland, you know the game is up.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/the-three-anti-vaccine-types-1.4754336
“A piece of writing which was crude, simplistic, and highly offensive to many thinking people who are perfectly entitled to give due consideration to what medication they or their children take and how the Government they elected manages a crisis.”
“Old man shouts at clouds”
On top of the Sinn Fein inroads into the middle-class, the IT must be considering moving Presbyterian Notes to Twitter subscription-only….
He got largely destroyed in the comments section.
It was also a ‘subscriber only’ article…
IT will be rethinking things. Good news
Let’s try reasoning again
The vaccine has been proven to cut deaths interalia reducing transmission. Did you see the graph where Bulgaria has a high rate of deaths in line with low vaccination inversely proportional to Ireland with low deaths and high vaccine take up.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-in-lead-with-vaccination-coverage-and-lowest-death-rate-in-eu-1.4736775
The same has applied with studies placing the vaccine at the forefront of reduced transmission
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Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
As the immune system more rapidly takes out covid thus people are not as likely to spread. And I do note part on Breakthrough cases
So are we going to play soggy biscuit over Dolores or talk…
I don’t think anyone is a fan of Delores, man.
And yes, the vaccines are great at saving the people who need them. But they also (in very rare cases) kill and injure people
Mostly young people – who were at statistically no danger in the first place.
And it will also kill children. And some countries are mandating it.
So I don’t care… I don’t care if it does what you say it can,
…all the old people can fupp off – children come first.
@ Micko
‘all the old people can fupp off – children come first’
I hope you don’t mean that Micko. Everybody matters. However, it is wrong to use the ‘killing Granny’ argument to force a new technology on whole populations. Offer it to the elderly and vulnerable but don’t force them. They can have their own reasons for saying no; I have several reasons. Those who are at low risk should not be being given the medication and this would, of course, include children.
Everyone matters John – and I’d agree with what you’ve said there.
But as you’ve also said – we don’t use children to protect anyone else.
So, when that’s on the table – yeah old people (and anyone else) can fupp off.
Yes, I can certainly agree that we all have a duty to protect children and definitely not to use children to protect us. From that point of view, the need to protect adults is secondary (regardless of whether the ‘vaccine’ would actually protect them) – though we need adults around to look after the children!
We are on the same side with this, though. Don’t give children the medication and certainly don’t do it under the guise of saving other people (of whatever age).
Indeed John.
And yes, medicine and vaccinations are wonderful things. And if my child was at risk, you can bet I’d be the first in the queue with her.
But she’s not and when I see places like New York mandating vax passports for 5 year olds
well…
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/12/14/nyc-vaccine-mandate-expands-to-kids/
“Those 5 and older now need to show proof of one vaccination dose to dine indoors, go to the movies or other performances, and also for school activities, like sports, dance and band.”
So get injected or miss out on culture
The death rate due to the vaccine in UK if you consider the number vaccinated is 1600 out of 50000000
That’s 0.0032%
https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/
I made the same argument against lockdowns. That more people would be hurt and killed by lockdown than saved over the long run.
I was called a monster.
Now it seems that it’s fine for people to make the opposing argument.
Now that we both agree that lives are ok to be sacrificed for the “greater good”, you’re a monster too. We’re really just debating numbers.
The mantra of “every life matters” didn’t last long did it?
What a lie you told yourselves – It was always “MY life matters, so we better lockdown – coz I could die”
Tbh I think the lockdowns have caused a level of PTSD
We could unlock society and charge those anti vaccinated higher taxes that way we all get our freedom they bear the cost
“I think the lockdowns have caused a level of PTSD”
Wouldn’t disagree there. I’ve a pal who runs a counselling service.. He’s out the door with biz. He can’t keep up and since everyone’s now back at work they all want to see councillors after 7pm. He could work till midnight every night he says.
I already pay for health insurance for my family – will I get that back under your new Utopia, or will it just be folks who burden the HSE? ;P
@ fluffybiscuits
‘charge those anti vaccinated higher taxes’ – I interpret this as meaning those who have not been vaccinated, ‘anti vaccinated’ being a term that doesn’t make sense and ‘anti-vaxx’ being applied to people who have been vaccinated but who question mandates, etc, not just to the unvaccinated.
This is, of course, a totally immoral suggestion, especially as some people are unvaccinated for reasons of health and as the taxes paid by the unvaccinated are already being used to pay for vaccines which they are not having. Additionally, I think this would be hard to apply, particularly as the definition of ‘unvaccinated’ changes with each booster campaign and age cohort.
Punishment for people who are exercising their moral and legal right not to be vaccinated is unjust and putting yet another punishment on them is, of course, more of the same. However, it is just the sort of suggestion that one can expect from those who espouse your viewpoint.
Do we want to park all this debating and organise a piss up somewhere out doors with cans…Broadsheet beers, quite happy to park my differences (after all tis the internet)
I’d come
We should defo organise it
Give me a shout on twitter @fluffy_biscuits !
North cider or south cider?
Linden Village or Merrydown…?
decisions, decisions…!
:)
Ha ha
Do we dare?
Hope you’re wearing a mask
Alas… I shall not
I will however be dressed very snazzy wearing a suit and a fedora, sporting a red carnation in my left lapel and carrying a leather briefcase.
I’ll just walk up to everyone I meet and say things like;
“The Belgians say the weather in Bruges is unusually warm for this time of the year…” and see if they reply with the correct passphrase.
Shouldn’t take to long to find some of the Broadsheet crew – I estimate 5 -7 hours – tops
lol
Did you miss the rendezvous with Johnny and V yesterday?