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Germany could shut down Telegram if the messenger service popular with far-right groups and people opposed to pandemic-related restrictions continues to violate German law, Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said in remarks published on Wednesday.

“We cannot rule this out,” she told Die Zeit weekly. “A shutdown would be grave and clearly a last resort. All other options must be exhausted first.” She added that Germany was discussing with its partners in the European Union how to regulate Telegram.

Germany doesn’t rule out closing Telegram, says interior minister (Gulf News)

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  1. SOQ

    VPNs at the ready so.

    Interesting that they do not report on HOW people opposed to pandemic-related restriction continues to violate German law.

    Is the scene being set so that any criticism of vaccine mandates and passports is to be banned?

    1. K.Cavan

      Well, SOQ, we’re watching governments painting themselves into a corner, the reason Telegram even exists is because of the insane levels of censorship on the “mainstream” platforms, where people with no qualifications get to shut down eminent virologists, epidemiologists & immunologists.
      The bigger picture is that bodies like the EU, UN, WHO, etc exist outside Democratic control & norms but not beyond the influence of truckloads of cold, hard cash. This needs reform, it’s a runaway train of blinkered, cosseted bureaucracy & endemic corruption.
      Off with their heads!

  2. Zaccone

    This is pretty horrifying. Imagine someone claiming a year ago democratic European country would be talking of banning access to messaging apps to prevent people from talking about issues the government doesn’t like…

    Its extreme totalitarian state behaviour, the person suggesting it would have been rounded on as a complete conspiracy theorist.

      1. K.Cavan

        Anyone for “two years to flatten the economy”. Which, of course, is what The Plan was, all along. The Great Reset is the consumer version of an agreement called The Going Direct Reset, agreed by the heads of the G7’s Central Banks, in 2019 during a meeting at the wonderfully-named Jackson Hole.
        It all seems unimportant enough until you think about the fact that our currencies are mostly digital already & that “Digital Currencies” are only different in the way they allow governments to track & control people by controlling how & where they spend their UBI.
        Imagine being told “here’s your UBI but the economy is a bit sluggish, so if you don’t spend it by the end of the week, on approved products, it will be deleted”.

        1. Nigel

          Any remember The Madness Of King George? The two guys that used to go in front of the King saying ‘The King! The King!’ Every time someone mentions The Plan, i hear them saying ‘The Plan! The Plan!’

    1. GiggidyGoo

      “ A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”

    1. Nigel

      Imagine if, in the 1930s, the German state had somehow managed to issue a ban on Nazi propaganda, say a partciluar Nazi newspaper that was filled with anti-semtism.

      Mind you, the Nazis would have loved that. They were constanrtly claiming their freedom of speech was being attacked and supressed. ‘It’s like 1930s Germany!’ they kept saying, and then they’d wink.

        1. Nigel

          You’d have been there saying ‘Screaming Hysterical Wokery,’ no doubt. ‘In supressing the Nazis they’re acting like Nazis!’

          1. just millie

            I’d stop responding to that one, if I were you Nige. S/he appears to be cretin of the highest order and actually smug about it.

      1. SOQ

        In a funny way- this is super advertising for Telegram because people who never even heard of it will now be popping in for a nosey.

        1. Nigel

          Is it, though? Right wing social media sites set up because other social media sites won’t let Nazis on aren’t the most wholesome of places, nor the most secure.

          1. SOQ

            Have you ever even used it or are you just believing what you are told again?

            I follow people like Robert Malone, Peter McCullough. Mike Yeadon etc- they are all on it and none of them are ‘far right’- or if they are, they hide it well.

          2. Chris

            A clear distinction between now and the 1930s – is that their is no international banking backing – for any movements that push towards individual national interests. The National Socialists had funding from German industrialists & Swiss/Wall Street banking.

            Totalitarian regimes are very expensive to establish:

            “Men under pressure are first dehumanized and only then demoralized, not the other way around. Organization and specialization, system, subsystem, and supersystem are the consequence, not the cause, of the totalitarian spirit.”

            —Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans.

            I think Brexit was more of a zoning issue than anything else – putting London City Inc beyond EU scrutiny, giving finance another hidden lair. Their citizens are under the same duress however, as the rest of the internationalist order.

          3. Nigel

            You should probably have a look at where the funding for covid disinformation and anti-pandemic-measure politicians is coming from. And Brexit, while you’re at it. Let me know what you find out, I’m curious.

            Oh and Telegram itself. The funding there might be interesting. If we’re talking abut establishing totalitarian regimes.

          4. Nigel

            Why would I use a social media site set up by people mad at Twitter for banning Nazis? (And banning them poorly at that.)

          5. SOQ

            You didn’t even know what Telegram was two weeks ago ya ejit.

            And if you moral compass is dictated by the likes Twitter and YouTube who ban world renown experts in their fields, then you are naïve to the point of stupidity.

  3. crimsonmoon

    Everyone here and on twitter crying this was a third reich like approach you clearly have no idea about who is using telegram in Germany to spread lies and hate. It’s mostly neo nazis and far right groups, using fear mongering to draw in the uninformed who just want to believe in something bigger that’s causing their misery. All the anti-lockdown demonstrations are riddled with “Reichsbürger” and other people wearing banned symbols. If you’re not German and haven’t lived there, maybe don’t start calling everyone a nazi. The interior minister is very much out to prosecute the far right that’s been creeping back in over the past decades.

    1. ANO

      Agreed with pretty much all of that but there’s still a conversation to be had about citizen’s rights to unmoderated, unmonitored electronic communication.

      Speaking personally I’d ultimately lean more towards the need for some kind of oversight but I can certainly understand the other pov.

  4. K.Cavan

    These are extremely stupid politicians, Germany simply doesn’t have the ability to shut down people communicating, they might as well try to enforce a ban on people talking about Covid on public transport or some equally quixotic tilt at some windmills.
    Mix equal parts authoritarian bluff with zero knowledge of the internet to frame these comments, perfectly. Out on the wilder, rat-licking, conspiritard edges of the net, however, lots of people think Germany will blow & serious violence & mayhem will ensue, can’t see it myself.
    Nein, nein, nein.

    1. SOQ

      I know a gay man who is just back from Dubai- he was living there. I asked what they do without the likes of Grindr and he just laughed- he said they just change their locations to other places.

      They have actual virtual cities planted elsewhere on the globe and then just remote into them. Where there is a will there is a way etc.

  5. K.Cavan

    So, everyone on twitter & everyone else, really, hasn’t got access to the information you have, crimsonmoon?
    Your comment has a strong flavour of the delusional, with a touch of paranoia & a large dollop of the usual Screaming Hysterical Wokery that labels anything outside the lunatic corral of Progressivism as “Far Right”. If some sort of burgeoning Far Right movement (tee-hee!) is actually using massive government repression to stir up support for the reconstitution of the NSDA, maybe the government should stop acting exactly like Nazis, no?
    I won’t even mention that halfway through your diatribe, you seem to be having a go at yourself for labelling people as Nazis.
    Whoops!

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