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50 thoughts on “Jeff Bin In?

    1. Kin

      Ah come on there are two at it
      Remember since the Northern Ireland assembly has been in existence a good five years it was closed
      DUP Sinn Fein Both as bad as each other

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    2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      catch yourself on Sara,
      although the whole vendetta sketch is making me think you’re a Nordie yourself

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        1. Kin

          Much like the same mentality used here to describe catholics
          Then of course my religion being Jewish
          Nazis call us dirty Jewish dogs sara

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        1. Termagant

          Somewhere in the region of its casual omitting of any reference to Brussels’ reluctance to actually come to the table with anything other than an our-way-or-the-highway position

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          1. Fearganainm

            Can you provide examples of such behaviour?

            According to all factual reports the EU has been rather generous with extensions, modifications to checks etc. Those concessions are a matter of public record.

            The EU has been very patient with regard to Johnson’s government taking up the responsibilities that they bargained for, committed to and signed up to. Are you suggesting that the inevitable consequences of the deal that the UK negotiated are somehow the fault of the EU?

            The EU says renegotiating the text of the protocol is out of the question, but set out new proposals, including:

            * an 80% reduction in checks on food products arriving in Northern Ireland and halving the amount of paperwork

            * reducing the customs information firms need to provide

            * passing legislation to allow the trade in medicines between GB and Northern Ireland to continue

            * relaxing rules so chilled meats, such as sausages, could still be sent across the Irish Sea

            In return, the EU wanted extra safeguards to prevent products from Great Britain crossing into the Republic of Ireland.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53724381

          2. Fearganainm

            Of course they won’t renegotiate the protocol. It’s part of the binding deal that the UK signed up to. You do understand how international agreements work? The UK negotiated and agreed to the protocol. Johnson boasted of how he’d secured a great deal. Why on earth do you expect the EU to tear it up and renegotiate parts of it?

          3. Termagant

            What does it matter what the EU are willing to offer if it’s not what the Brits want? That’s exactly the behaviour I described. “This is all we’re willing to do, take it or leave it, there will be no further discussion”.

          4. Fearganainm

            Why it matters is that the EU is expecting the UK to abide by the deal that it negotiated and signed.

            Are you seriously suggesting that one side can begin picking and choosing which elements to honour of a contract it has signed?

            Or are you suggesting that it is perfectly fine for the UK to sign deals with accompanying obligations and then break them? You don’t think that other countries that the UK is seeking trade deals with might be interested in that point being clarified?

        2. Termagant

          “Why on earth do you expect the EU to tear it up and renegotiate parts of it?”
          Because they’re presenting themselves as the eminently reasonable side of the issue, and it’s what an institution with a genuine interest in making the situation work would do? This is international law, not the terms and conditions on your phone bill, everything is up for negotiation as long as parties are willing to negotiate.

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          1. Mad

            Don’t waste your time Termagant
            Only if you have an article to send about the Eurovision runners and riders or about Peter Andre’s balls etc – that’s more Fearg’s thing

          2. Fearganainm

            They did the negotiating and then signed off on a deal.

            If ‘buyer’s remorse’ is a thing we can only offer sympathy – there is no obligation on a party to an agreement to have to cast it aside and start again because the other party gets cold feet about aspects of it. That’s not how deals or international law work.

            There are mechanisms within the protocol for resolving problems. They don’t include ‘rip it up and start again’.

          3. Termagant

            No, we can offer to renegotiate the terms of the deal. That’s within the power of the EU. The only reason why we couldn’t is choosing not to. And deliberately choosing not to is exactly what I accused the EU negotiators of in the first place, to which you took much umbrage. There is no OBLIGAtiON to renegotiate, but there is the ability, and the EU is unwilling to exercise that ability. Not forbidden, not incapable, unwilling.

          4. Fearganainm

            You don’t renegotiate a deal you signed off on.

            You seem to be trying to push a case that the object of negotiations is to give the UK what it wants.

            Following years of negotiations the UK signed a deal and said that it was great.

            It’s a legally binding international agreement. That the UK wanted and got. Why should the EU bin an agreement that was years in the making?

            Why can’t you accept that the UK has to honour commitments that it made?

            And why are you ignoring the concessions that the EU offered during the most recent discussions around the protocol?

          5. Termagant

            The object of negotiations is to arrive at a solution amenable to all parties.
            You keep labouring this point that the EU is not legally required to renegotiate. I agree with you completely that the EU doesn’t have to renegotiate, I never said that it did. What I said was that the EU is refusing to renegotiate. They have chosen to set out the terms they are willing to accept and engage in no discussion over them. They are willing to accept things THEIR WAY

            or the Brits can take the HIGHWAY out of town

            Do you disagree that this is the case? Not the rightness or wrongness of it. The simple fact that while the EU don’t HAVE to renegotiate, they COULD, and are CHOOSING not to.

          6. Fearganainm

            “The object of negotiations is to arrive at a solution amenable to all parties.”

            Which was done. And signed off on. The UK-EU deal, remember?

            Johnson said that it was a great deal.

            Some of his colleagues – not anyone from the EU – said that he signed it with no intention of implementing parts of it.

            You seem to be under the illusion that having signed a binding international agreement one party – the UK – can keep coming back for more. That’s not how mutually agreed compromises work.

            The negotiation around the UK-EU deal was done and dusted and signed off by both parties. No country or alliance is going to want to sign any deal with the UK if it’s not worth the paper it’s written on.

            The UK owns the deal it signed up to. All you are doing is arguing in support of their willingness to flout international law and to make binding agreements some kind of farce that can be renegotiated again and again.

            I don’t know how you expect the EU to have any confidence that the UK is any kind of honest broker. The UK signed a deal after years of negotiations. That’s it, over, a done deal as Johnson boasted. Now let him implement his obligations under it – the EU has only a responsibility to its member states, it doesn’t exist to give the UK what it wants. The UK got what it wanted and will have to learn to live with it.

          7. Termagant

            I’m not interested in any of that. I’m not going to read it.

            Do you agree that the EU has chosen not to renegotiate or not? Very simple question. All I want to hear from you.

  1. Dave

    Even the northern business people are saying that they’ve never had it so good, but good ol Jeffery just puts the head in the sand and says no , I’m going back to London

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  2. stephen moran

    It is precisely because the Protocol is working as it was intended that is causing the Brexit ultras consternation – Northern Ireland is like the placebo and its fine whilst GB is on the old hardcore Brexit meth and after two years even Beaker labs can see which patient is thriving and which is shriveling up like Peter Andre’s tackle. The rest is just dry ice, mirrors and Vaseline on lens from the self delusional revisionist amnesiacs in the Northern Taliban and the ultras. Someone should open a unicorn petting zoo for then as that pesky Protocol is throwing a lot of shade on their sunlit uplands and cramping their buccaneering spirit.

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  3. Mad

    I like the DUP
    They make me feel good about myself
    And remind me of the Catholic Church
    Soon to be just as irrelevant
    “Pale, stale and male” as Naomi Long put it

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  4. Fearganainm

    Ireland says UK risks sending message it will break treaties in Brexit row

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/15/ireland-says-uk-risks-sending-message-it-will-break-treaties-in-brexit-row

    “…Signs that the government was rowing back its rhetoric on the protocol came amid mixed messaging over a trade war, with Johnson allies claiming he had a “conciliatory” call with Ireland’s taoiseach last week. However the Irish Times on Saturday reported Irish sources describing it as “the single worst call he has ever had with anyone”…”

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  5. Fearganainm

    Boris Johnson poised to give green light to bill on Northern Ireland protocol

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/15/boris-johnson-poised-to-agree-controversial-bill-to-suspend-parts-of-ni-protocol

    “…It comes as it emerged business leaders in Northern Ireland have urged Johnson not to take unilateral action on the protocol, in a private letter to Downing Street. A source confirmed the letter from the Northern Ireland business Brexit working group, an umbrella organisation of 14 business bodies, told the prime minister there was the prospect of a deal with the EU…”

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    1. Fearganainm

      Let’s change the protocol, not scrap it, says Johnson ahead of NI visit

      https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/lets-change-the-protocol-not-scrap-it-says-johnson-ahead-of-ni-visit-41652602.html

      “The Northern Ireland Protocol will not be scrapped, Boris Johnson has indicated to unionists, but it must be fundamentally altered, regardless of whether the EU agrees. In a lengthy article for the Belfast Telegraph ahead of flying in for talks with Stormont’s leaders on Monday, the Prime Minister set out his policy on Northern Ireland in more detail than ever before — urging the DUP to restore devolution, making clear he is not going to alter the first minister title, and committing to legislate within weeks for abortion, an Irish language act and a Troubles amnesty…”

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