Bryan Wall tweets:
Here’s a @RENUAIreland candidate openly mocking Trans people. Nice bunch.
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Bryan Wall tweets:
Here’s a @RENUAIreland candidate openly mocking Trans people. Nice bunch.
So what?
Just good to know what kind of pondscum they have over at Renua.
As a Kildare man, helps me decide who to vote for.
Or not, as the case may be
so bullies are not the kind of people anyone decent wants to vote for
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see him openly mocking trans people. Is he not openly mocking NWCI whoever that is (national womens council of ireland?), Did they make some sort of statement recently? Why did he say Sunday specifically.
needs a teeny bit more context.
The context is that the Women’s Council of Ireland published an electoral feminist manifesto and invited election candidates to sign up to it, and publicised those who did. That doesn’t really put any more of a positive spin on this clown of a candidate though.
It’s Sunday because he tweeted on Sunday (see the date at the bottom of his tweet).
Beyond that, his ‘I identify as a Woman’ clearly mocks trans people, while sending to the NWCI (you are correct in identification) also trolls them. This shows him to be a misogynistic as.. … person also.
As to the NWCI statement, they put out one on Friday encouraging more women in politics: https://www.nwci.ie/learn/article/we_need_more_women_in_local_politics
At what point has this individual said he is mocking “trans” people, (whatever trans people are; is it a subscription based club?)
Genuinely, where are there insults, insinuations or other suggestions of where the mocking of a those “trans” people you talk about…..this whole society appears to be based on what one assumes and never directing a question of intention at the author.
I don’t really care who the tweet is directed, I would love to understand how and why people can assume ones intentions without ever asking; but always telling others what the 3rd party’s intentions were.
When it comes to judging intent in people making fun of trans people, it helps to know who trans people are, so I could see why you would find this difficult.
You really did choose an appropriate username.
Not nearly as mad as the Renua candidate in Dublin who claimed that priests who abused adolescents boys were homosexual rather than paedophiles and suggested the gay community needed to take responsibility for it.
“its the gays fault priests molested children” seems just the right mix of completely mental to be a renua angle.
in fairness a priest (male) sexually abusing boys would be a homosexual (and criminal) act
No a homosexual act is between two adults of the same sex. Sex with a minor is neither homosexual nor heterosexual, it is peodophilla.
He pushed this logic to suggest that the gay community should stand up and take responsibility for what its members did to the church.
From what I can gather, the NWCI released a brief pdf ‘feminist manifesto’ for the local elections, asking that candidates get behind several ideas they outline in said manifesto. fairly benign stuff but they seem to have been brigaded by the usual faceless anti-choice, anti-identity-politics-unless-it’s-my-identity lot.
the trans reference above seems apropos of nothing in it, really, and just seems to be the usual ‘what’s to stop anybody nefariously identifying as a woman 30 seconds before taking advantage of that [bar the enormous social taboos of doing so and the effort and lack of such bad faith that accompanies actual self-identification]’ stuff. what would one expect from a pig but a grunt?
fwiw, the tweet/author in this post from last week is openly derisive of trans people/’identity politics’ in the same way:
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/05/03/social-justice-league-endgame/
Oh the cesspit of stupid humans on twitter…..
Maybe he does, and you’re all just assuming gender – tut-tut…
Also retweeted by GO’D.
That’s when you know you’re tweet is saying something terrible.
I wonder will BS cover the uproar over that gowl advertising on Dublin Bus?
Where on earth did she get the money for that, I wonder…
Bloody hell.
https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1125724159764570112
lol, one of the replies: “Time to take back Ireland for measles and polio!”
I ‘identity’ as an illiterate.
he is trans-literate
While he may be “openly mocking” trans people, he may also be drawing attention to the ridiculous nature of the current trans rights debate, where it is seen as a human right to “identify” as anything you desire, and to then inherit the rights of that group of people you “identify” as
Im off to “identify” as an MEP and demand a massive pension for never turning up.
All he’s highlighting, it turns out, is how stupid this is as an understanding of the issue. This is the cruel alt-right parody of what ut us to be trans.
Precisely.
This is why Renua are so popular in the polls, not this crass attempt at ‘humour’ which is quite petty, its the idea that this is what people want in an elected representative – a child with too much time on their hands trying to score cheap points off a quite emotive issue.
I think a correct term is ‘clown’ and that is me being incredibly generous – I can think of a few other things I could call him.
I mean that’s like responding to people getting their appendix out by saying: ‘The ridiculous nature of appendix rights where if you happen to have an appendix and you display certain symptoms then you can just go and have it taken out I’m off to the doctor to describe the symptoms of being an MEP and demanding a massive pension and never turning up.’
Ara its just a case again of people taking too much of an interest in other peoples lives and choices. Why do I care if someone identifies as a washing machine? Not to be glib, Im not trying to minimuse how people feel when they are not physcially what they feel.
Let them off. What business is it of mine? What impact does it have on my life? Why do I want to control other peoples feelings? It is the same as this cultural appropriation mallarkey. Move on….
I’m really not sure what the crux of your argument is here. It’s not entirely clear. Maybe try again?
The main crux of my argument is that just because someone “identifies” as being part of a group of people, it doesn’t mean that they should inherit the rights of those people they claim to “identify” as.
I’m speaking here particularly about women. Just because someone “identifes” as a woman, I’d doesn’t mean that they should inherit the hard won and protected rights that women have based on their sex.
what rights are those in particular
equal ones ?
should it matter if they aren’t equal rights
There’s a lot of rights women would like to keep.
The right to segregated same sex space such as changing rooms, domestic violence/rape crisis centres. The right to segregation in sports to ensure that fair and safe conditions for competitors are upheld.
It would also be nice for women to not be openly abused and harrassed both online and in real life for stating the above. or in general, you know not being harrassed online or in real life is pretty much a given for men, would be nice if women didnt have to put up with it.
can’t we make the whole thing neutral and crack on with mutual respect,
apart from sports where obviously there are physiological advantages,
They’re people, BS. They get the same rights as everyone else, including access to health care.
Thats true Nigel they are people. They should and do have the same rights to healthcare as anyone else.
They are also biologically male and should not have access to healthcare or spaces that are specifically for women.
Janet, im pretty sure a woman in a rape crisis centre, or domestic violence refuge might not like to have men in their close personal space. Some things need to be segregated based on sex, not gender or “gender identity”
Should there be neutral or shared spaces people can choose to use? sure. but there’s a very important word in there CHOOSE!
I’m just dreaming of a Utopia where you wouldn’t fear someone based on their sex ( men get abused too)
choice is the best we can hope for now
The end result if this, of course, is that teansxwomen arecdenied access to public toilets and changing rooms or access to shelters or rape crisis centres, so no, they don’t get the same rights at all.
Ideally yes Janet, there would be a world where people were not abused…or where people were not subjected to harrassement based on their sex, wouldnt it be lovely for a woman to wear what ever she wanted without the fear of being harrassed on the street or in a nightclub etc?
There’s also a utopia where common sense prevails, and just because someone says they feel like they are a woman they are not automatically given the same protected rights as a woman.
No Nigel, the end result is that women are supposed to be accepting of a transperson in their protected spaces such as rape crisis centres or domestic abuse refuges.
What should happen is that the centres who offer these services offer the same supports to transpoeople as they do to women/men while also respecting the personal boundaries of everyone, there is no reason why a transperson who needs the support of a rape crisis centre isnt given that support, but they should be given this support within the realms of their sex to ensure that the support the other vulnerable people are receiving is not hindered.
Trans woman aren’t men pretending to be women in order to get into women’s toilets. Body dysmporphia is a recognised medical condition and trying to diminish it or or trivialise it or to suggest that there’s some ulterior motive at work in order to deny trans women the right to access public toilets, ffs, just puts trans women in danger of physical or verbal attack.
I never alluded in any of my posts that transpeople were just pretending to be men/women.
It doesnt matter if they are suffering from a psychological disorder or they have ulterior motives, they are biologically the sex they were born as. As such same sex segregation, especially in vulnerable places like rape crisis centres should be enforced.
As for the issue of toilets/changing rooms, i agree with the idea that there should be “gender neutral” or shared facilities, but they should not replace single sex facilities, as this takes away the choice of a woman or a man to only share a space with people of the same sex. If someone has no problem sharing facilities with someone of a different sex then they can choose to use a shared facility.
No, you didn’t slide at all, but hey… thaaaat’s Nigel.
It’s not a psychological disorder, it is a recognised medical condition, and it matters. So now trans women are going to get hunted from toilets and rape centres? All because of some unjustified scaremongering that they’re a threat? Good stuff. Not at all hateful.
Its the childish that really gets me.
Another gobshaw on the internet complaining about people complaining and then labelling those complaining (on the side he isn’t of course) as being snowflakes and completely missing the thundering irony.
Anyway, nobody voted renua, nobody is voting renua and nobody will be voting renua – in sufficient numbers to get elected that is.
We have enough childish simpletons in public office, Seamus can get the boat so he can.
Well Nigel, I would say it is a psychological disorder, as people with gender dysphoria or body dyorphia often state they “feel like” they were born in the wrong body. So that’s a psychological disorder, not to say it’s not a medical issue, as of course psychological issues are medical issues in the same way physical issues are.
So by your logic women who feel uncomfortable with a male person in their space, for instance a rape crisis centre where maybe a male presence might damage or inhibit their recovery should be thrown out to suit a man who “identifies” as a woman?
Should a politician who is physically male identify as a trans woman to qualify under the Dáil election quota for a party’s women candidates? And if she does, a) would that be acceptable b) if not, on what grounds would it be unacceptable?
why was there a necessity to identify as female at all in politics,
oh yeah cause it wasn’t aloud before for wemon to even vote,
maybe if there was equality to start with all these conversations would be rendered mute
Fair point.
thanks :)
Because if you’re pretending to be trans just to qualift for a quota you’re a fecking scumbag. If you’re just making a big show of doing it as a way of mocking women in politics and/or trans people, you’re also a fecking scumbag.
Yes. But I didn’t say the politician was pretending to be a trans woman. I was saying she was identifying as a trans woman. Not the same thing at all. What’s wrong with that? Would you want to exclude her?
You phrased it poorly, then. I don’t see why not? With everyone making such a big brave fuss about excluding them as if they’re carrying plague or something, being inclusive would be a strong statement.
Great. So politicians should identify as trans woman (if they previously lived as male) to take up those places earmarked for cis women.
the1937 constitution was seen as progressive offering the recognition of the woman in the home, we were lauded by Europe,
how about we rewrite it seperating church and state and and giving equal rights to all humans…father’s too,
not amendments,
we could stick in a few clauses too about politicans keeping promises or docked pay..
would you get paid in any other job for incomplete projects?
e Janet…how award(e)
I realize off topic, but I don’t care if you have 5 Willy’s and 3 heads and one boob on your back if you actually sorted out the housing situation, health-care etc,
No. Trans women should be able to be openly trans women and run for political office without fear of being mocked or abused just for being a trans women. If cis female politicians want to show inclusiveness, then they should treat them as they would any other woman.
I agree Nigel. Male politicians who want to identify as trans women should, of course, stand for election. And, naturally, could fill some of the quotas for women that political parties are required to meet. It’s just logical.