Yesterday.
Broadcaster George Hook talks to rona restrictions critic Dr. Vincent Carroll on the impact of lockdowns to cancer victims and to Sunday Times columnist David Quinn on NPHET’s unreliable ‘numbers’.
Previously: ‘I Must State I Have No Confidence In NPHET’
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A scientific approach…
David Quinn.
Rightttttttttt…
Watching George Hook is like watching my father shouting at the telly.
I am surprised at you launching such a personal attack alick- George is an experienced broadcaster which is why he is there.
What exactly dd Vincent or David say that you disagree with?
SOQ has fallen so far down the rabbit-hole that he is willing to die on the hill of George Hook’s appeal as a broadcaster…
Did you even listen to what Vincent Carroll had to say?
I have seen first year secondary school children with longer attention spans.
‘A scientific approach’
‘I’m not a scientist George’… ‘I’m not a scientist David’.
David and George sharing their opinions is not a ‘scientfic’ approach, it may as well be a phone in with Joe Duffy. ‘Looking at a trendline’ is not a scientific approach. How about George gets someone on to talk about it who actually knows something about science rather than someone who used to edit the Irish Catholic? I’d me more than happy for David to lecture me about what Saint Augustine would think of lockdown–indeed I think St Augustine might have some interesting ideas given that he lived through the fall of Rome.
And as for Dr. Vincent Carroll?
Oh fast forwarded him, just went to the clickbait. Too early for popcorn. I like watching David, he gets my blood pressure up, it’s like going for a run, while sitting on the sofa.
And there you have it- the biggest crisis of our lifetimes and you just skip to the person you don’t like- priorities eh?
Farcical comments. Deliberately avoid listening to what the scientist has to say in the main part of the podcast, then attack the show for not having someone on who knows about science while ridiculing the second guest for their religious beliefs unrelated to the discussion.
Oh, I thought he was a medical professional (doctor, GP).
In Ireland a medical professional, acting as a GP is absolutely not permitted to experiment which, amongst other things, absolutely prevents them from being considered as a scientist in that profession.
If you had managed to read what I said, you would have noticed that I was not ridiculing David for his religious beliefs, I was criticising his complete lack of scientific insight. As I said in my comment, David has interesting views on religion that I’m happy to hear, and he perhaps would actually have some philosophical and theological insight into the current situation. But as editor of the Irish Catholic, and in many of his other roles he has taken an anti-science, anti-evidence and anti-quantitative approach to many of his hobby horses. George Hook is telling us that he is offering a scientific approach, and yet, at least half of his program is dedicated to a conversation between a non scientist and himself, a non scientist discussing ‘trendlines’. I am therefore extremely suspect of his choice of guests and the overall thrust of his program. And SOQ, yes, this is the crisis of our times, and so yes, I don’t have time to listen pseudo scientists ranting; the headline for the program mentioned ‘David Quinn’ and I wondered ‘oh, that’s ironic, that’s an unfortunate name for a scientist… or is it the actual David Quinn’. Oh, it’s the actual David Quinn. There are therefore probably better ways to spend 15 minutes than listening to one of George Hook’s likely sub optimal guests then. And what have I done? I’ve burned up those 15 minutes and more tilting at windmills on Broadsheet. sigh.
And as for Dr. Vincent Carroll?
‘half of his program is dedicated to a conversation between a non scientist and himself, a non scientist discussing ‘trendlines’ ‘
That’s not an honest description of the conversation. He does mention ‘trend lines’ at one point – in the context of how, according to the official figures, the numbers of positive test cases were already trending down before level 5 restrictions were ever implemented. You don’t need to be an epidemiologist to have observed that, nor do you need to scientific expertise to appreciate that time and again the official modelling has proven to be wildly inaccurate.
As he stresses more than once in the discussion:
This is the key thing: lay people like you and me are entitled to an opinion. ..We’re entitled to say: “you’ve told us what the risks of not going into lockdown are. Now please tell us what the risks of going into lockdown are.
..What in our view as citizens is the best balance to strike between one side of the equation – the cost of not going into lockdown – and then the other side of the equation: the cost of going into lockdown…
Every person in the country is entitled to an opinion on this. The fact is, scientists don’t even agree about this.. You and I as laypeople are entitled to ask : what is the proportionate approach to this?..it seems to me we’re getting the balance wrong and causing too much damage to the rest of society”
This is a crucial point and as an Irish journalist, it is commendable that he is vocalising this regardless of what his stance on other separate matters may or may not be. Considering that these imposed restrictions are having such devastating consequences for society at large -with some affected more severely than others – we as citizens absolutely have the right to voice an opinion on public health policy; to seek out a range of expert opinion to inform our own; and to call out the government for not producing any cost-benefit analyses to better appreciate the extent of the damage caused by imposing these restrictions.
To dismiss Quinn’s key point as the “rantings of a pseudo scientist” rather than one that is valid and worthwhile making, is exposing your own scientific snobbery, it seems to me.
Two men, angry at their increasing irrelevance, scream for attention.
Three men Daisy- you conveniently ignore the medic.
As above- what exactly is it that Dr. Vincent Carroll said that you disagree with?
Its like Broadsheet every day.. with wimmin
I’m not listening to two irrelevant reactionaries screaming into the void. I have better things to do.
And as for Dr. Vincent Carroll?
As for what Same’oh
he’s a GP
what he can’t prescribe for there and then
in between writing sick notes and taking blood pressure
he Refers to Consultants etc
When it comes to the delay of diagnosis or cancellation of treatments, GP’s are by far the most qualified people in the country to speak about it.
They absolutely should be speaking out- because they can already see the devastating impacts and also- what is coming down the line.
Sleepy George needs to go back to bed.
There is an unconfirmed report that a major Dublin hospital is sending sick elderly patients into care homes, a repeat of last spring.
I find this concerning as any deaths may be used to further the lockdown agenda.
Is there a way this could be verified/dismissed?
Is this coming through on Twitter?
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest- those people are sociopaths.
tis an awful pity you couldn’t supply a source of your “unconfirmed report” because then it’s just another entry for the “overheard on Dublin Bus” book..
lol 28 minutes. It’s always the nutters who have the longest videos. “if you have a spare 293 minutes, check out this video, a real eye opener not he virus hoax”
A Scientific Approach
Two thirds = George Hook & David Quinn
the other a GP
any idea if his attitude to women is any different to the majority on that panel?
syncs in well with this place lately, all the same like
Science according to Sexist Macho Narcissist Cranks
was it for this huh
Time to follow the Countess’ advice – put on the short skirt, walking boots and put the jewels in the bank.
its starting to look that way alright
Ah come on Frilly- if the first thing that crosses your mind while listening to Dr Vincent Carroll is representation then your mind is actively looking for a distraction.
If you really want a gender angle it is that women are disproportionately affect by Lockdown- whiter that be through poverty, domestic abuse or metal health issues.
I’m not looking for the Gender angle
Its the Hook Quinn ‘all men are sacred and can do no wrong, and who do women and the gays think they are with wanting the same rights” angle they both point to that I’m drawing a circle around
And I can assure you nothing crossed by mind while listening to it
cause d’you know why
I didn’t wouldn’t and never will listen to it
BTW, its beyond sickening that you should address me as Frilly
Given your determined and demented efforts to both dox me and call me by many other logins – what were false
You got Frilly shuttered, so what more do you want
your profound hypocrisy and short memory promises me that you’re well met with Quinn and Hook,
and a few others on the Anti Mask Crusade
I addressed you as v but it has been changed- no idea why. As for getting shuttered- I also have no idea what you mean.
I personally couldn’t care less about other politics right now because this is way to serious. We have an unelected medical tyranny and under near house arrest for highly suspect reasons in case you haven’t noticed.
Shuttered – it’s all the concrete they’re pouring up at the Children’s Hospital.
NOT an American, then so, with their insufferable ‘Could care less’.
Bravo!
Whatever gets you through the day Same’oh
to anyone thinking about investing 28 minutes in this, hook begins
“senior citizens are, to all intents and purposes, prisoners in their own homes”
and then it goes downhill from there – waffle, hyperbole and lies
And yet he seems to have found an audience
here as it happens
Groupthink circle jerk in a self congratulatory echo chamber.
to paraphrase a former Taoiseach
That’s Men for ya
Covid death toll in the US now at 250,000