Paul Reid, CEO HSE
This morning.
The Chief Executive of the Health Service Executive Paul Reid has said that as of this morning, almost 65,000 12- to 15-year-olds have registered online for a Covid-19 vaccine.
Via RTÉ:
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, Mr Reid said this reflects “a very strong point” in the vaccination programme.
He said 6.28 million vaccines have now been administered here, with over 80% of adults fully vaccinated and almost 90% partially vaccinated.
He said the vaccine uptake in Ireland has been “phenomenal” as they move through the age groups, and the benefits are “really strong“.
“What we have seen as we move down through the younger ages is not an immediate uptake on the first day or two or three, but a strong uptake over a period of a week or two weeks, and that’s been reflected in 16- to 17-year-olds and now almost 70% of them have registered. Similarly…the 18- to 29-year-olds over 80%.“
65,000 in 12-15 age group register online for vaccine (RTÉ)
Alternatively…
Let's state the question clearly.
If the vaccine works, why vaccinate non vulnerable children to protect vaccinated adults?
If the vaccine doesn't work, why vaccinate children to protect vaccinated adults?
Why not be kind to our children and just leave them alone?
— Dr. Marcus De Brun (@indepdubnrth) August 13, 2021
Anyone?
Smart kids.
Sure send them all to Marcus who’ll give em Ivermectin and magnesium.
+ zinc and vit D. They’d actually be much better protected, but there ya go…
The auld ivermectin has some serious side effects, especially for smaller children or pregnant women, people with asthma, older people etc…… risk of coma and other nasty things… it’s almost like all medicines have mild to serious side effects…. and we don’t know the long term effects of using it as a prophylactic… what kind of lunatic would take this or give it to their children, or their granny!!!
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet
” Ivermectin side effects
Ivermectin oral tablet may cause drowsiness. It can also cause other side effects.
More common side effects
The side effects of this drug depend on the condition being treated.
The more common side effects of this drug when it’s used to treat intestinal infections include:
tiredness
loss of energy
stomach pain
loss of appetite
nausea
vomiting
diarrhea
dizziness
sleepiness or drowsiness
itchiness
The more common side effects of this drug when it’s used to treat skin and eye infections include:
joint pain and swelling
swollen and tender lymph nodes
itching
rash
fever
eye problems
If these effects are mild, they may go away within a few days or a couple of weeks. If they’re more severe or don’t go away, talk to your doctor or pharmacist.
Serious side effects
Call your doctor right away if you have serious side effects. Call 911 if your symptoms feel life-threatening or if you think you’re having a medical emergency. Serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
Pain in your neck and back
Serious eye problems. Symptoms can include:
redness
bleeding
swelling
pain
loss of vision
Shortness of breath
Inability to control urination
Inability to control bowel movements
Trouble standing or walking
Confusion
Extreme tiredness
Extreme drowsiness
Seizures
Coma
Low blood pressure, especially when you get up after sitting or lying down. Symptoms can include:
lightheadedness
dizziness
fainting
Severe skin reactions. Symptoms can include:
severe rash
redness
blistering skin
peeling skin
Liver damage. Symptoms can include:
tiredness
nausea
vomiting
loss of appetite
pain on the right side of your stomach
dark urine
yellowing of your skin or the whites of your eyes
Disclaimer: Our goal is to provide you with the most relevant and current information. However, because drugs affect each person differently, we cannot guarantee that this information includes all possible side effects. This information is not a substitute for medical advice. Always discuss possible side effects with a healthcare provider who knows your medical history.
Ivermectin may interact with other medications
Ivermectin oral tablet can interact with other medications, vitamins, or herbs you may be taking. An interaction is when a substance changes the way a drug works. This can be harmful or prevent the drug from working well.
To help avoid interactions, your doctor should manage all of your medications carefully. Be sure to tell your doctor about all medications, vitamins, or herbs you’re taking. To find out how this drug might interact with something else you’re taking, talk to your doctor or pharmacist.
Examples of drugs that can cause interactions with ivermectin are listed below.
Warfarin
Warfarin is a drug used to thin your blood. Taking warfarin with ivermectin can thin your blood too much and cause dangerous bleeding. If you need to take these drugs together, your doctor will monitor your international normalized ratio (INR).
Disclaimer: Our goal is to provide you with the most relevant and current information. However, because drugs interact differently in each person, we cannot guarantee that this information includes all possible interactions. This information is not a substitute for medical advice. Always speak with your healthcare provider about possible interactions with all prescription drugs, vitamins, herbs and supplements, and over-the-counter drugs that you are taking.
Ivermectin warnings
This drug comes with several warnings.
Allergy warning
Ivermectin can cause a severe allergic reaction. Symptoms can include:
trouble breathing
swelling of your throat or tongue
skin rash
If you develop these symptoms, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.
Don’t take this drug again if you’ve ever had an allergic reaction to it. Taking it again could be fatal (cause death).
Warnings for people with certain health conditions
For people with asthma: This drug may make your asthma worse. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.
For people with liver problems: If you have liver problems or a history of liver issues, this drug may cause more harm to your liver. Also, you may not be able to process this drug well. This may increase the levels of the drug in your body and cause more side effects. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.
For people with seizures: This drug may cause seizures. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.
For people with HIV: If you have HIV or a condition where your immune system doesn’t work as well as it should, one dose of this drug may not be enough to treat your parasitic infection. You may need several treatments with this drug.
Warnings for other groups
For pregnant women: Ivermectin is a category C pregnancy drug. That means two things:
Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug.
There haven’t been enough studies done in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.
Talk to your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.
If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.
For women who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a child who is breastfed. Talk to your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.
For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.
For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kg).”
I’d prefer a Berocca myself
TLDR
From one ‘andrew’ to another, I think that was his point.
It’s funny that you’re trying to discredit Ivermectin today even though no one you’re arguing with here mentioned it.
It’s getting into the mainstream media today that it actually can help with covid. Dr. Pierre Kory was chatting to Pat Kenny on the radio about it this morning.
send them to BS HQ where you will be injected with the bleach of your choice
You’re gas ! #trump2024
how easy it was to delegitimise all alternative therapies, which if any were successful would destroy the push for vaccination of the entire world. Just get Trump to endorse them. Job done. Anyone proposing them is then a Trumpian figure of ridicule. Highly effective. I hope you’re not like Trump supporters who actually believe he’s a true “maverick battling the elites”? Just like Obama was selected to capture one target market, Trump was for another. The public only gets to elect from those “selected”.
Would you advocate for the kind of alternative treatments that promote diet and/or vitamin supplements for the treatment of cancer, for example? Not the same thing as treating covid19, of course, but I would certainly think to categorise them as under the same umbrella.
“but I would certainly think to categorise them as under the same umbrella” well, that’s your perogative I suppose…
I know it is. I’d appreciate an answer to the question, thanks.
as you command, I would certainly advocate for a good diet, with solid nutrient and vitamin intake, though as a compliment to medical cancer treatment, not a replacement. I’m not anti medicine whatever else you may think.
Thanks for the reply. Apologies if I offended you with my question. I clearly drew the wrong conclusion from your comments, and so my question obviously reflects that. My apologies again.
No worries at all anonann. It’s awful easy for us to be misinterpret one anothers comments in text form and mine seems somewhat overly combative in response. The blight of online discussion.
‘Just get Trump to endorse them. Job done’
It certainly sold a lot of horse de-wormer to his supporters.
Instead of childish insults, can anyone answer Dr. Marcus De Brun’s questions?
Why? He’s a reactionary crank.
because he’s a snake oil salesman….I hear My Pillow Guy is getting a column here….
What’s he selling?
He lost work because he spoke out.
Himself.
An independent TD.
Wow daisy so unlike you to play the man and not the ball
hmmm…
The auld ivermectin has some serious side effects, especially for smaller children or pregnant women, people with asthma, older people etc…… risk of coma and other nasty things… it’s almost like all medicines have mild to serious side effects…. and we don’t know the long term effects of using it as a prophylactic… what kind of lunatic would take this or give it to their children, or their granny!!!
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet
” Ivermectin side effects
Ivermectin oral tablet may cause drowsiness. It can also cause other side effects.
More common side effects
The side effects of this drug depend on the condition being treated.
The more common side effects of this drug when it’s used to treat intestinal infections include:
tiredness
loss of energy
stomach pain
loss of appetite
nausea
vomiting
diarrhea
dizziness
sleepiness or drowsiness
itchiness
The more common side effects of this drug when it’s used to treat skin and eye infections include:
joint pain and swelling
swollen and tender lymph nodes
itching
rash
fever
eye problems
If these effects are mild, they may go away within a few days or a couple of weeks. If they’re more severe or don’t go away, talk to your doctor or pharmacist.
Serious side effects
Call your doctor right away if you have serious side effects. Call 911 if your symptoms feel life-threatening or if you think you’re having a medical emergency. Serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
Pain in your neck and back
Serious eye problems. Symptoms can include:
redness
bleeding
swelling
pain
loss of vision
Shortness of breath
Inability to control urination
Inability to control bowel movements
Trouble standing or walking
Confusion
Extreme tiredness
Extreme drowsiness
Seizures
Coma
Low blood pressure, especially when you get up after sitting or lying down. Symptoms can include:
lightheadedness
dizziness
fainting
Severe skin reactions. Symptoms can include:
severe rash
redness
blistering skin
peeling skin
Liver damage. Symptoms can include:
tiredness
nausea
vomiting
loss of appetite
pain on the right side of your stomach
dark urine
yellowing of your skin or the whites of your eyes
Disclaimer: Our goal is to provide you with the most relevant and current information. However, because drugs affect each person differently, we cannot guarantee that this information includes all possible side effects. This information is not a substitute for medical advice. Always discuss possible side effects with a healthcare provider who knows your medical history.
Ivermectin may interact with other medications
Ivermectin oral tablet can interact with other medications, vitamins, or herbs you may be taking. An interaction is when a substance changes the way a drug works. This can be harmful or prevent the drug from working well.
To help avoid interactions, your doctor should manage all of your medications carefully. Be sure to tell your doctor about all medications, vitamins, or herbs you’re taking. To find out how this drug might interact with something else you’re taking, talk to your doctor or pharmacist.
Examples of drugs that can cause interactions with ivermectin are listed below.
Warfarin
Warfarin is a drug used to thin your blood. Taking warfarin with ivermectin can thin your blood too much and cause dangerous bleeding. If you need to take these drugs together, your doctor will monitor your international normalized ratio (INR).
Disclaimer: Our goal is to provide you with the most relevant and current information. However, because drugs interact differently in each person, we cannot guarantee that this information includes all possible interactions. This information is not a substitute for medical advice. Always speak with your healthcare provider about possible interactions with all prescription drugs, vitamins, herbs and supplements, and over-the-counter drugs that you are taking.
Ivermectin warnings
This drug comes with several warnings.
Allergy warning
Ivermectin can cause a severe allergic reaction. Symptoms can include:
trouble breathing
swelling of your throat or tongue
skin rash
If you develop these symptoms, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.
Don’t take this drug again if you’ve ever had an allergic reaction to it. Taking it again could be fatal (cause death).
Warnings for people with certain health conditions
For people with asthma: This drug may make your asthma worse. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.
For people with liver problems: If you have liver problems or a history of liver issues, this drug may cause more harm to your liver. Also, you may not be able to process this drug well. This may increase the levels of the drug in your body and cause more side effects. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.
For people with seizures: This drug may cause seizures. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.
For people with HIV: If you have HIV or a condition where your immune system doesn’t work as well as it should, one dose of this drug may not be enough to treat your parasitic infection. You may need several treatments with this drug.
Warnings for other groups
For pregnant women: Ivermectin is a category C pregnancy drug. That means two things:
Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug.
There haven’t been enough studies done in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.
Talk to your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.
If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.
For women who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a child who is breastfed. Talk to your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.
For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.
For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kg).”
They’re not your kids, Marcus, and you are not their family medical practitioner, nor are you any more qualifed to comment on public health measures than the average BS commenter, so the question is, why are you opining inaccurately like a populist politician on a decision parents and guardians will have to take on behalf of their children?
If you’re a Doctor, you should know how and whether vaccines work, you should be familiar with the rationale behind encouraging children to be vaccinated, and you could engage with that rationale directly rather than deploying loaded and leading rhetorical questions.
As a Doctor he should be aware of the risk profiles of age groups and the risks involved with prescribing any medication or vaccination.
Rate of myocarditis as a side effect in u18s is 1 in 16k from mRNA jabs.
Rate of “serious acute covid” in u18s is 1 in 100k.
Dont you think theres a problem there?
You’re misstating the data and misrepresenting the situation
Care to point out what data is incorrect there Prince Andrew?
Well to start with, it isn’t 1 in 16,000. That applies to males only. For females, it’s 1 in 106,000. So work out the average yourself there. So you were taking one dimension of data and presenting it as universal – misstating the data.
You’re also misrepresenting the situation in inferring that a case of myocarditis is any way equivalent or comparable to a case of serious acute Covid. In fact, the vast majority of myocarditis cases will pass without the person even being aware. Most present as symptoms similar to mild heartburn and are literally momentary (3-5 seconds). And when I say most, it’s beyond 99%. In more severe cases – likely to occur in 1 in 300,000 cases, treatment is straightforward. You are more at risk putting on your underpants in a hurry.
Yes, i think there’s a weird problem of agenda-driven opposition to public health measures leading to dishonest scare-mongering and exaggeration of risks by supposed medical oractitioners courting an online audience.
You any more qualified to comment on public health measures than the average BS commenter,
How many commenters on BS have a BA in Microbiology and a Medical Science degree?
How many commenters on BS have direct first hand experience of treating CoVid-19 patients?
He is more qualified and experienced than even a lot of his own profession.
Slowly but surely more and more doctors are speaking out. Dr William Ralph wrote an open letter to the Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly outlining his concerns about the ineffective response from GPs to the perceived medical crisis.
https://www.imt.ie/opinion/letters/letter-open-letter-to-the-minister-for-health-20-07-2021/
Just say yes to the ‘are you a medic’ or it will throw you to another page.
In fairness, he’s been speaking out for quite a while, he’s not part of the ” more and more group”
Then why is his discourse on the subject at bog-standard BS commenter level? Is he ignoring his professional expertise to cultivate a reactionary contrarian audience?
In what way is balancing the risks of Covid-19 against the risks of an experimental gene therapy ignoring his professional expertise?
He is far from being alone on this issue. I posted a link to a letter by William Ralph above who says exactly the same thing. He also only vaccinates patients who are high risk of CoVid-19.
First do no harm eh? Tell that to the poor young fellas who will end up with permanent heart damage and spend the next 10 years fighting to get some sort of compensation off the state- it’s disgusting.
What qualifies YOU to question his professionalism?
He’s not balancing anything. He’s not explaining anything, he’s not exploring or analysing anything, he’s just sensationalising, and while I realise that we may have lost sight of this given the wild absurdity of so much of what pandemic-truthers say, that is highly irresponsible.
You’re treating future hypothetical heart problems as real, having treated actual covid fatalities and covid-related illnesses as trivial, having advocated a ‘natural immuity’ approach that would, by definition, have required mass deaths and long-term illnesses to work.
I’m questioning his professionalism based on his behaviour and his words. Basic comprehension of words and actions is what qualifies me.
Vaccines are not gene therapy.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-mrna-gene-idUSL1N2PH16N
https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/
There are any number of articles outside of the ones I’ve linked here which support this.
He has consistently argued that only high risk of CoVid-19 patients require vaccination. That is a view held by many General Practitioners across the country. There is nothing new in this approach- it has always been the way that doctors have approached vaccinations, until now.
Post vaccination myocarditis is not hypothetical- it is fact. The only questions are what percentage will get injured and how severe will it be.
Make no mistake- if you arguing that children should risk their health so that you can feel safe and you can feel secure- then you are the problem, not a coronavirus.
He may have advocated that, but I see no evidence that ‘many’ GPs advocate it. Previous vaccination campaigns have involved every single child of school-going age capable of receiving vaccinations being vaccinated, so I reject out of hand your contention that previous vaccination campaigns have only targeted the vulnerable. I also reject your disgusting characterisation of the reasons why children will be given this vaccination. Every single parent or guardian who makes the choice will be doing so for the good of the child, first and foremost.
Children are vaccinated against things which they are at high risk of, and serious CoVid-19 is not one of them- that’s the difference.
We are demanding that children protect adults which is not their role in society- the natural order is the other way about.
You’re trying to carve out an arbitrary exception for your claim that mass vaccination of children, and by that process of the entire population, regardless of the vulnerability of the individual, is not the norm, when it clearly is. No-one is ‘demanding’ anything. Parents are being offered the option of vaccinating their children. Parents and guardians will make the best choice they can for the good of their children. You are trying to make it sound as if it’s a bordeline act of criminality to even consider it. How can you possibly expect to be taken seriously when your purpose is to sensationalise the issue?
Any parent who allows this to happen to their children need their heads examined- is that clear enough?
When a child gets injured- which by odds some will- how is that parent going to explain to the child in later life what they have done?
It’s clear that you think so, that you have taken an extremist, insupportable hardline postion on this that you cannot now move from, but that it is a view, like many of yours related to the pandemic, that is not widely shared beacuse it is completely unsupportable. Your rock-solid certainty about the inevitability of future injury directly caused by the vaccine is unjustified. Right now the numbers of infections and deaths are spiking dramatically in US states whose anti-pandemic response policies you have praised. How are you going to get down on your knees and beg forgiveness for your revolting and irrational position from them and their families and friends?
My position on vaccines is not extremist at all- I have serious reservations about this one yes because I don’t believe it has been properly tested and I am pretty certain that is a view held even by some who have had it.
Injuries are guaranteed to happen- and there is already parents who are publicly coming forward with regrets about how their children have been injured. The only question in the longer term is, how many.
The core difference is that children are not able to make these decisions for themselves so when something goes wrong, it will be the parents who will carry that guilt for the rest of their lives. They too will become victims of this recklessness.
Its fine to loftily talk about collateral damage in the abstract but when it is your own child who suffers, its a very different ball game- and for what?
Your positions on almost everything to do with any particular of this pandemic have been almost entirely incorrect (whether by ignorance or dishonesty).
Florida and Texas accounted for 40% of US hospitalizations this week btw (while being 15% of the general population), any comment? Still cheerleading for them?
Yes, it’s a serious decision to be taken with careful consideration – not with hysterics like you screaming at them.
@SOQ
“My position on vaccines is not extremist at all”
When you use the term “experimental gene therapy” which, with all due respects, nobody with any sense could actually believe, you’re exposing yourself as an extremist with an agenda. Sorry if that offends.
Who are you to lecture anyone.
The mrna is gene therapy. It is also experimental. It has never been trialled on humans. What’s so difficult to understand andrew?
mNRA is most definitely experimental because it has never been used in a vaccine deployment before. As for the use of the term ‘gene therapy’, well that depends on who you read.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gene+therapy+mrna
SOQ & Man On Fire
Vaccines are not gene therapy. Please see links above.
@Man On Fire
“Who are you to lecture anyone.”
Probably the only one with an actual qualification and working knowledge on what’s going on.
“The mrna is gene therapy.”
No. No, And no.
“It is also experimental. It has never been trialled on humans. What’s so difficult to understand andrew?”
That’s not what experimental means to be begin with. And yes it absolutely has been trilled on humans – involving thousands upon thousands of people.
“No, no and no.. ”
Yes, yes and yes I’m afraid andrew.
And no it has never been trialled on humans.
@SOQ
“As for the use of the term ‘gene therapy’, well that depends on who you read.”
That’s not actually how things work. Something either is something or it isn’t. It does not depend on who you ask or what you read. All that shows is that some people are talking through their hoops.
First link, first line- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817894/
“… mRNA (IVT mRNA) is emerging as a new class of drug that has the potential to play a role in gene therapy that once was envisioned for DNA.”
If something is playing a role then surely it can be referred to as? There is also questions about the definition of a vaccine of course, and whiter mRNA fits into such at all.
You’ve already admitted to working within the pharmaceutical industry but I am wondering why you have taken such an interest in this site all of a sudden.
@Man on Fire
Literally more than 40,000 people were involved in initial Pfizer trials alone – and that number is much higher now. Not to mention the numbers involved in the other vaccines.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-publication-results-landmark
Pfizer pr release.
Sorry, fail.
If there was a full trial the jab would be fully authorised. But its not as the data is thus far incomplete.
@SOQ
“… mRNA (IVT mRNA) is emerging as a new class of drug that has the potential to play a role in gene therapy that once was envisioned for DNA.” If something is playing a role then surely it can be referred to as? “”
No. mRNA has the potential to play a role in gene therapy. It also has the potential to find a cure for cancer and alzheimers and lots of other otherwise elusive diseases.
That does not mean these vaccines are gene therapy. Your laptop computer has the potential to play a role in a new online business should you chose to set one up. Etcetera.
And I do not know what you are suggesting with the comment on my recent engagement with this website. As it happens, I will be reverting to a passive role soon – reading, not commenting.
@Man On Fire
I tried. I’m putting you on the list with Micko and K Cavan as not worth bothering with.
You tried what?
Your “evidence” is a Pfizer press release.
Don’t blame me because you can’t make a single coherent point.
If you arguing that children should risk their health so that you can feel safe and you can feel secure then you are the problem not a coronavirus.
The vaccines work. A medical doctor suggesting there is doubt over that is just mad. The answer is to suppress the virus as much as possible.
If they work they why is there a need to risk children’s health in order to protect older adults?
oh keep up!
Life unfortunately isnt binary
Because they work.
If you arguing that children should risk their health so that you can feel safe and you can feel secure then you are the problem not a coronavirus.
they work up to a point, george. they don’t provide immunity the way other vaccines do, so there’s no need to double down on one extreme point of view or another. in fact, i’m pretty sick of reading comments that can only envisage extreme bi-polar views of the pandemic from who i gather must be rational and intelligent people otherwise.
in this case, de brun makes a sensible point and i don’t see the point in vaccinating children unless they’re vulnerable.
it’s the new fundamentalist religion Scottser
I would say that’s a simplistic take on the matter, personally.
the shutting down of debate, the nastiness, the polarisation of the other all have a bang of an intolerant fundamentalist religion to my ears
+1 yet again Janet
@Man On Fire
Yesterday you dismissed me as a troll and a schoolyard bully for disagreeing with you.
No I didn’t.
J is absolutely correct – these conversations attract waaay too many nutters.
I think you’re right there. Online discussion only pushes extremism – in both directions, and examples are everywhere to see. The name-calling and shutting down of debate is reductive and not at all helpful. It only widens chasm between the two viewpoints.
@Man on Fire
Sorry. You’re right. That was KCavan. Apologies.
Vaccination is the new fundamentalist religion?
There’s no reason to suppose that the vaccine is in any way harnful to children. The myocarditis side-effect is rare and relatively mild. It’s impossibe to have an honest discussion about the risks and benefits of vaccinating children with the scaremongering of people who have either proven to be wrong about everything or who have claimed negative outcomes or difficulties that were well-flagged in advance as proof of their insight, and who rely on ambiguity of language to make definitive scientific claims.
Yep to this.
it’s too early to tell nigel. i won’t be vaccinating my kids but if they get to an age and they want it, then of course they can fill their boots.
simply put, and i know i’m not alone in this, we have been fed too many contradictions, hypocrisies and downright lies by government to trust their word on the matter so don’t start on about anyone else’s ‘ambiguity of language’.
You don’t have to trust your or any other government – the information is all there available to you. Vaccination is the safest thing anyone can do.
And of course, if you think that is the case, then that is your decision and must be respected. And yes, we have a dumb government that can barely scratch their backside without breaking their own rules, so trust is difficult.
No- myocarditis can be a very serious PERMANENT condition.
… severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:
Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart’s muscle so that it can’t pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
Heart attack or stroke. If your heart’s muscle is injured and can’t pump blood, the blood that collects in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart’s arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain, you can have a stroke.
Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause an abnormal heart rhythm.
Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It’s deadly if not treated immediately.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352539
It is easy to play down the risks when it is not you taking them of course.
It’s easy to play up the risks when you are inexplicably opposing public health measures to combat a pandemic.
“myocarditis can be a very serious PERMANENT condition”
Yes, it can be.
Can be.
CAN BE.
C-A-N B-E,
But that happens in a minuscule number of cases – read my comment above if you’re bothered. But I’m realising now that you aren’t really interested in the truth.
I know people who are high risk and have been vaccinated Nigel- and if I was in their situation I would have done so too.
But when the long term side effects of these injections could not possibly be known, innocent children should not be used as Guinea pigs- especially when they have little or no risk of serious CoVid-19 in the first place.
It’s just plain wrong.
If you genuinely believe “the long term side effects of these injections could not possibly be known”, it simply shows that you do not understand how these vaccines work. You should do some research.
But there’s no actual reason to think that there will be serious adverse long-term effects of the vaccine, mostly it’s just the scaremongering of people like yourself who advocated for a pandemic response that involved letting people die or get sick, whose response to public health is profoundly and damagingly and mindlessly contrarian, trying to lean heavily and sensationally on the risk side of the risk versus benefit balance with no other reason than to make an honest assessment impossible.
andrew- there is no way the long term side effects of these treatments could be known, it is just not possible. No matter how improved the testing procedures and process along this line have been, some things just take time.
Did they know about blood clots before release? No
Did they know about skin conditions before release? No
Did they know about heart damage? No
Did they know about neurological conditions before release? No
So now we hear talk about kidney problems- and what about women’s menstrual issues eh?
WHAT IS NEXT?
‘WHAT IS NEXT?’
This is hypochondria by proxy.
@SOQ
That is correct. But there has now been sufficient time and sufficient data for all of the possible side effects to reveal themselves. This is not a hunch – this is fact-based science. I explained why in another thread.
And yet the experimental jabs aren’t fully approved. Keep on gaslighting andrew.
@Man on Fire
Approved in what way? You know that all safety checks have been completed, right? You are literally blowing hot air about something you don’t know anything about.
No they haven’t andrew, that’s why the jab hasn’t yet been fully approved. Stop gaslighting.
@Man on Fire
Phase 3 study longsince concluded: “Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) has been achieved”
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-approval.html
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/when-will-covid-19-vaccines-be-fully-approved-and-does-it-matter-if-they-are
“Pfizer and BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson (J&J)—have been authorized on an emergency basis but have yet to be fully approved.”
Stop gaslighting andrew.
Here’s how one Qanon supporter “protected” his children.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-dad-killed-his-kids-over-qanon-serpent-dna-conspiracy-n1276611
They’re now safe from microchips, magnetism and 5G.
I really wish you wouldn’t use a horrific case like this to taunt others with. it’s trivialising.
+1 Nigel
wouldya ever take a break?
you’re coming across as a ridiculous boring trolling noise generator, this subject clearly irks you because you haven’t a leg to stand on, my best advice is stay quiet
I haven’t read anything of value outa you on BS recently beyond the default 2line automated quip
do you think your posts have any intrinsic value? convincing anyone? arguing any salient point?
just piles of endless smartbotty and snarl and twinkle pants (and it isn’t even funny)
honestly I thought yer man charger was bad but for me you’re closing in on pole position, sorry has to be said :(
Is Dr Marcus a doctor of medicine? If so, I’d recommend a refresher course of immunology and how disease displays and spreads in humans.
I had never heard of him before but just took a read through his Tweets.
Oh.
My.
God.
And he is a qualified doctor? Really? Has this been verified? I would doubt it very much.
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If you arguing that children should risk their health so that you can feel safe and you can feel secure then you are the problem, not a coronavirus.
again not a single solitary convincing argument for me amongst the 100 odd comments under this article for hauling my healthy 12 year old boy in for a vaccination
not a single one
because there isn’t one
Papa Reidy with the obvious goodnewsstory pre-weekend propaganda FOMO marketing campaign per usual, because that’s all he’s got and he knows it, he reminds me of evangelical yank buckos I used to come across at industry conferences talking up the numbers for the coming quarter, whoop yeah. shiny salesman.
I know my position on this at present, I remain open minded, but I really really hope other parents make proper critical choices here and not just some lazy Green Jersey/foreign travel/back to school convenience decision (which I have heard out of some this week to my internal horror)