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This morning.
Figures from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) show 44 per cent of Eastern European immigrants were vaccinated up to September 10 compared to upwards of 92 per cent of the adult Irish population.
These countries comprise Czech Republic, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia
Via The Irish Times:
One source involved in contact tracing said there had been more and more eastern European names appearing on contact sheets of people who became infected with Covid-19 in recent months, and they were a part of the population that appeared more susceptible to infection and transmission as a result of vaccine hesitancy.
“It is mainly eastern Europeans. These people are not getting vaccinated in their own countries so they are not going to get vaccinated over here,” the source said.
“They are maybe not listening to Irish news. They are more tuned into what is happening in their own countries. They are probably not aware that it is their compatriots who are ending up hospitals.”
Meanwhile…
…The vaccine uptake rates of British nationals in the Republic was 79 per cent, and 70 per cent among 18 to 24-year-olds.
Vaccination rates of foreign nationals from other European countries were also lower than the overall average.
Low vaccine uptake among Central and Eastern European communities – CSO (Irish Times)
Migrants and pregnant women to be targeted in new HSE vaccination campaign (irish Times)
Waiting now for the figures in hospital and ICU defined on an Irish and ‘immigrant’ basis.
They’ve tried to drive a wedge between people in general. Now it’s getting down to nationalities. Anything to divert from the failure that is the great meeting on minds of Holohan, Reid, Glynn, Harris, Varadkar, Donnelly.
First time I read that as ‘meeting of great minds’ and assumed GiggidyGoo was going the way of Biden LOL
Heh heh
Pretty funny that even after all our advances, divide & conquer is still a viable option.
It’s an astonishing mindset you’ve gotten yourselves into. This isn driving a wedge or divide and conquer – why? to what actual end? – this is compassionate concern for people’s health. At worst, it’s purely pragmatic in terms of trying to reach people to protect themselves and reduce the effect of the pandemic on the population. You’ve managed to drive yourselves into a paranoid bunker mentality through sheer contrarianism.
It’s a really weird day when a Nigel post is the most sensitive and most important one on any thread
Prove us wrong
Can lead to a horse to water, can’t make them think.
That was your go-to turn of phrase by the way Nigel. You must drink a lot of water. A tap on the head might sort it.
I think your tap sprung a leak. I blame Varadkar.
That’s not how it works gigg (at least in the real world), you’re the ones making all of these nonsensical claims so the burden of proof lies with you lot.
As if you’d know “how it works..”
That’s how it works in Nigel’s world though. A bit of his own medicine back at him.
As in https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/09/08/class-divide/#comment-2346477
Ah, that was fun.
First the unvaccinated have been characterised as unclean/idiotic and now they are pointing out that a higher proportion of them are foreign. In any other context that would be identified as dangerous racist/xenophobic dog whistling.
If this were the UK I might agree, but while we treat our foreign immigrants like crap and exploit them, we generally prefer to ignore them rather than single them out on the national stage like this. People who will treat this as a dogwhistle are those who are already racist anyway and the paranoids looking to feed their paranoia – a proportion of whom, I suspect, would be first to dismiss the very idea of racist dogwhistling as dangerous wokism.
But are they ratlickers?
“to what actual end?”
Nigel, are you actually suggesting that Government and the media haven’t worked together to manipulate populations in the past?
Just because you HAPPEN to agree with these particular measures, doesn’t mean it’s not happening again – right now.
‘The government and media working to manipulate the population’ could literally mean anything, and could have literally anything projected onto it, and is therefore sufficently vague and amorphous to ‘explain’ everything without actually explaining anything.
If they were going to blame foreign nationals and immigrants and refugees for covid stuff they would have started that campaign from the outset, not one story late in the day that’s basically about the problems of communicating with one particular tiny part of the population in order to get them to access free life-saving medicine.
“The CSO noted the figures may be an “underrepresentation” of vaccine rates for immigrant communities, as it did not include “those who may have been vaccinated outside of the State”.
There’s a possible explanation literally at the bottom of the article for a lot of these figures.
Did The Irish Times lead with that?
Did they fupp…
Prop-o-gan-da
Why would they lead with that if the problem is a significant number of them are being infected? If you don’t know how many got vaccinated abroad, you don’t know, that’s a null. I find Alick’s explanation below plausible – they flubbed the outreach to minority communities and now they’re scrambling to fix it.
“if the problem is a significant number of them are being infected?”
Cept’ it doesn’t really say that in the article, it mostly says they’re not getting the jab. For which their may be many reasons.
At a single point it says infections and vaccinations in those minorities, “tally with the numbers” and anytime it looks for AN actual spokesperson to confirm that supposed correlation, we get lot of wishy washy alluding to their narrative
Like:
“One ICU doctor who did not want to be named said…”
&
“One source involved in contact tracing said… ”
&
“A senior HSE source said…”
Some quality journalism there alright. There’s entire quotes from people who are not named in that article. Ha!
Pro-po-gan-da
‘One source involved in contact tracing said there had been more and more eastern European names appearing on contact sheets of people who became infected with Covid-19 in recent months,’
I get that people suddenly find journalism’s use of sources and spokespeople and officials problematic when it suits them, but this is the key part of the story. Of course it’s not actually much use without a proper study with data and figures, but some people prefer that when it suits them, too, as witness the whole Wexford thing.
One single story, no wait, let’s say two, two whole stories this far into the pandemic is not propaganda. Criticise the reporting, criticise the fact that the government have left it idiotically late to do its outreach to the immigrant communities, but the idea that this is some sort of propaganda campaign is more dumb paranoia-feeding twaddle.
I can’t figure out of you’re just so locked into a course that you’re unable to change even when presented with obvious information due to some pride thing or if you’re just intentionally obtuse about things to troll people.
I think it might be some weird mix of both,
Even in posts below you’re saying you didn’t say things and the you were ALWAYS against vax passports. WTF man?
It’s ok to be wrong Nigel.
Say it with me
“It’s ok to be wrong, I’m only human”
“It’s ok to be wrong, I’m only human”
I’m glad you think so, you do it so much.
Ummm..
That’s exactly what I said. We (including me) being human are wrong all the time.
Come back tomorrow and play.
You’re off form today man…
Very well played once again Michael..
Compassionate Concern that drives governments to coerce people into playing Russian Roulette with their health, for a couple of months worth of low-level protection against a cold virus?
Compassionate Concern that drives our government to exclude children from their Right to an education unless they risk their lives & future reproductive health for literally no reason whatsoever?
Nobody’s buying the idea that there is anything other than utter distain for the very idea of compassion being displayed by our government or the billionaire elites who control them, pull the other one.
When Zuckerberg’s Meta truly allows you to project the virtual world onto the real world, you’ll be able to make your nightmare vision come true. In a sense. Not sure why you’d want to, but you seem to have committed fully, in fairness.
Gas chambers would seem like the obvious next step..
You first.
Anytime I read a Daisy comment I’m reminded of this young girl
https://youtu.be/CRbqAJdRMjs
Uncanny.
…in Coviet Republic
daisy chains you…
There you go again, indulging in the aul MOPE trope. Given the violent and threatening behaviour of your fellow antivaxx/antimask cohort, you brownshirt types are far more likely to be the ones indulging in an aul Krystallnacht.
But keep obsessing over me and MOPE-ing.
Just add a few decades and a squeaky voice and its spot on.
+1 E’Matty.
Brilliant…LOL
Jaysus. Look at all the big lads puffing up around Daisy, high fiving themselves.
Not a great look in fairness
Meh. They need to affirm their willy size somehow and the BS circle jerk is a safe space for them.
It gives me a good laugh to see them all follow each other around like a human centipede.
Here’s Pat on his horse to ‘defend’ you Daisy
Ah now Andrew. Daisy is well able to defend herself! I’m just saying it’s not a good look for the gang to be crowding round and congratulating each other. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. No offense
So…. Ratlickery?
Eastern Bloc peoples know communism when they see it, and where it leads.
Yeah, corporate take over of the world that’s actually communism… can’t help but see it…
Yes, a centrally planned and managed society (communism) controlled and acting in the interests of the current transnational capital class (capitalists). All of these old descriptions are a bit redundant though as this will be the synergy of many such ideologies. A global Marxist State, ruled by technocrats (Technocracy under Scientism), fusing the public sector to the private sector (Fascism) alongside the NGO sector (Stakeholder Capitalism). All sides are to think they are ultimately achieving the success of their system. It is only ever one system of centralised feudal rule with the untermensch and Supermen classes. The herd are to be dumbed down, culled, completely and utterly subjugated into perpetuity. The predator ‘elite’ class to be deified, explore and dominate the universe. Yeah, they’re nuts.
Pathetic, facile, ce.
The one factor not mentioned is that by and large, these people are poor. They are generally in minimum wage- if that- jobs where social distancing is not possible and, they are way more likely to live in cramped or over crowded conditions.
Also, it is irresponsible for The Irish Times to be promoting this dangerous myth that vaccines prevent infection- because at this point it is pretty obvious that they do not.
The very same day they publish this:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/jabs-do-not-reduce-risk-of-passing-covid-within-households-study-suggests-1.4713945
Where’s Nigel to insist that the scientists got it wrong & this isn’t true?
‘Now a study has revealed that while vaccination against Covid is crucial to preventing severe disease and death, even fully jabbed individuals catch the virus – and pass it on.’
Wow. Groundbreaking.
Yup – kind of makes the vaccine passes look stupid now doesnt it?
But they make people FEEL safe.
And that’s what’s important…
Not surprising to see you have nothing of substance to add Nigel. Your ongoing su6poort for vaccine passports, arbitrary and unjust discrimination against ordinary citizens, being exposed more and more by the day for the authoritarian BS it always has been. At least Cian had the sense to see the passes have no justification or merit. Perhaps you are too zealous and will never admit you got that one wrong.
Certainly, not introducing vaccine passes in family homes seems to have been the right choice.
‘your ongoing su6poort for vaccine passports,’
Don’t actually support vaccine passes. Have said so a few times, and given my reasons, similar to Cian’s. Pay attention.
“Don’t actually support vaccine passes. Have said so a few times”
Emmm..
Were you not only banging on about they were necessary to “protect” the unvaccinated the other day and how we should “be grateful” for that protection. .
How can you be for the protection of the unvaccinated but NOT be for the means by which they are protected?
.
Must be thinking of someone else. I thought they were useful to allow partial reopening back when vaccination rates were still mid-level, but keeping them in place since since our supposed ‘full opening’ seems pointless when mask-wearing, ventilation, distancing, sanitising are what should be focused on.
Imperial college at it again so- Lalvani says waning is a factor but never states what % they estimate over what period, because to do so lets the cat out of the bag.
Quoting % infection chance figures makes little sense if the potential inoculation factor 2 months after a jab is half that of 2 weeks after the jab.
..do you identify as British or Irish,your views would be way,way to the right of the mainstream for irish…?
Challenging statics from a crew that has been responsible for some of the worse analysis and predictions of this entire pandemic, is now right wing- who knew?
so British then,exlains a lot.
Are you high again? Sounds like it.
…nah i have a meeting at a union hall,we are hiring 25 workers,all union.
as a high skilled (trinners) immigrant,with skills to pay the bills,unlike some,i create high paying jobs in the new green economy.
so i am perfectly positioned in hydro,solar,indor gardening to make BANK and create jobs-how things with you ?
ps-lots snow out west-so aspen for thanksgiving,again i know but still…high as a kite this afternoon at the grow house,music blasting,hip hot cool immigrant ‘poor’ crew..living big the american dream.
Have you got even the slightest idea of what is going on NYC right now BIFFO?
You have no clue now do you?
It’s a funny day when Johnny comes across as one of the sensible ones in here
Cramped conditions – all the more reason to get the jab.
“these people are poor” – the vaccine is free.
Assuming it is a myth, how is it dangerous?
These vaccines do not prevent infections- that much is certain- so there is no communitarian argument for people having them- it is personal choice only.
The myth is dangerous because it gives some people have a false sense of security therefore likely to take risks they would not otherwise take.
Also, given such conditions it is reasonable to assume that a higher than average percentage have already been exposed- and have real immunity,
They reduce your chances of getting infected and of getting seriously ill.
So explain the correlation between high vaccination and high infection rates then?
Will you give me my own Nobel prize if I manage to definitively break down the multiple factors involved in covid infections rates and the virus’s interaction with vaccinated populations? Because your insistence on simplistic answers to complex questions is what got you to this point, and I wouldn’t want to feed it. Better if you consider whether vaccinated or unvaccinated are getting infected at higher rates, hospitalised at higher rates, dying at higher rates, because that’s where it’s at.
“The myth is dangerous because it gives some people have a false sense of security therefore likely to take risks they would not otherwise take.”
What risks?
The “poor thing” comes from them a) being in zero hour contracts, therefore not ideal for them to take time off from possible side effects (wrongly or rightly) and b) they probably already worked through the entire pandemic and are NOT currently dead, so are not that bothered or were infected at the start and cannot get a Covid pass now – yay science!
Not, saying any of these are true – but that the rational behind them – so I’ve heard.
There’s also the argument that they may have been vaccinated in their home countries and those certs are not recognised here.
Which IS mentioned in the article – but only at the end after the extensive “Eastern Europeans” are bad/stupid bashing.
Everything in your first paragraph, taken at face value, reinforces the idea that they are trying to reach people who badly need to be vaccinated rather than ‘driving a wedge’ or ‘divide and conquer’ or whatever other dystopian fantasies are running around your heads.
what a simply awful this to think,never mind say for a IRISHMAN!
wtf you think we landed on ellis island with-gold teeth?
“The one factor not mentioned is that by and large, these people are poor. ”
when is the last day you did any work-your on here day after day hour after hour with endless rubbish and bigotry,look up useless idiot.
These people ARE poor- as all immigrants are- why else do you think they are coming here doing poo jobs and living in hovels?
As for work- my last project was in an industry which had a very high level of people from such places, plus a number of illegals, so I am pretty well qualified to discuss the subject. The way some of them were treating was absolutely appalling- BY IRISH PEOPLE.
Wind you neck in.
how much did you come here with ?
are you still living in tallaght,riding the bus,collection social welfare and handouts,single and not working….
spreading disinformation and far right propaganda daily on here…
I am Irish last time I checked.
You are high then so.
“These people ARE poor”
Wow. Well that’s definitely not true. “These people”.
You ARE pig-ignorant though. That’s a fact.
Jesus, imagine agreeing with Johnny and Nigel in one day
Nurse, the screens …
Or Charger for that matter
Johnny used to work on the docks …
Actually, SOQ, I think the reason this cohort are not stepping up for a clot-jab is that, unlike the modern Irish, they’ve seen Authoritarian government close up, they know how this goes. They know that the State does not have their best interests at heart & are more concerned with satisfying the demands of the wealthy & powerful individuals who, once secretly, now openly, control our societies.
It’s similar to the way countries like Poland & Hungary are resisting demands to alter their societies’ demographics on the whim of the EU & it’s Globalist owners.
There’s no need to excuse these people, rather we should be paying close attention to their reaction, they are the canary in this coalmine, they have knowledge & experience we do not possess. Ironically, some will return home, driven by the exact same Authoritarianism that drove them to come here.
Yes I agree- that ‘compliance’ is not as high is more to their credit than ours. We can already see where the ‘blind leading the blind’ is taking us- 3rd shot or no passport- even though we should now all be able to see that passports have nothing to do with viral transmission.
And yes again on the whole EU thing. I was talking to a couple of Polish lads recently and they think a Soviet Union mark II is emerging, which is quite a different take to Ireland.
No surprise to see you’re eurosceptic now also.
‘It’s similar to the way countries like Poland & Hungary are resisting demands to alter their societies’ demographics on the whim of the EU & it’s Globalist owners.’
Nothing authoritarian about Hungary or Poland, eh?
The point most people miss about the nationalist vs globalist debate is that they are both right wing- just different types. The globalist are capitalist to the core- but they do not discriminate in their exploitation.
I don’t think very many people miss this point at all.
Ah now we’re at the stage of blaming foreigners. Definitely not the government’s mismanagement of the HSE.
Surely even the most pro-FG/pro-FF people can see through this desperate ‘othering’ of minorities. Its straight out of a 1930s playbook.
Also, Malta, Eastern Europe..?
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2020/
What they’re saying is that there’s 145,000 from that particular grouping who aren’t vaccinated.
Then again – it’s the CSO, so pinch of salt required.
It would be a first if they started ‘blaming immigrants’ as up to now, immigration is always portrayed as a positive with no down sides. Every elected group in the Daíl is pro immigration for different reasons.
Seems more to me like they’re concerned about reaching out to these communities and encouraging them to protect themselves since more of them appear to be getting infected rather than ‘blaming’ them for anythiing. They literally go out of their way to provide an entirely benign possible explanation as to why.
https://babylonbee.com/news/counter-cultural-rebel-believes-everything-athletes-reporters-actors-ceos-believe
I’m curious, is the world doomed in your scenario, or are you Trusting A Plan to save us all?
So, Nigel, you clearly believe that if these cohorts get injected, they will be protected from infection?
How does that work?
Magic?
I think their chances of getting infected will be reduced, their chances of severe illness and death if they do get infected will also be reduced.
Dr Nigel recommends experiment drugs for your children so they won’t die from something that doesn’t kill children.
hmm doesn’t agree with what I say so hard he he has to make it up in his own head.
Nigel caught out pushing experimental drugs for children, then lies about it even though it’s recorded in his comments directly above.
Time to refresh your Alinsky Method?
(Worst Pharma Shill EVA)
The middle classes in this country are deluded as to the nature of the immigrant experience, especially the low paid experience. I know I was one.
Many immigrants have zero loyalty to the host country and quite often resent it as they are regularly exploited and feel they have little choices.
In Ireland the immigrant population is touching 20 percent and this largely painted as oy a positive by the media and the aforementioned middle class that mostly encounter immigrants as those who serve them.
The realities of higher criminality, drug and alcohol abuse and disengagement does not tally with the happy clappy ‘New Irish’ portrayal.
Having a significant percentage of you population who are disengaged to this extent is seriously detrimental to society and for those in the low paid bracket, both Irish and immigrant alike it lowers their quality of life. This is all apart from the other pressures placed on housing, health, education etc.
Yes, Andrew, but Globalism, which is American Capitalism in a mask, wants us all to enjoy a similar harmonious multicultural society as that experienced in the US. Anyone doubting how great multiculturalism is just has to look to America, there’s the proof.
As a Mormon missionary once said about their proselytism “if you have a great recipe for chocolate cake, you want to share it with your neighbours”.
I think what you’re trying to say is that you don’t like immigrants.
Sorry, jungleman, you’re barking up the wrong tree there, hilariously so.
However, immigration has mostly negative impacts on the working class of host nations, though not so much on the bourgeoisie or the Elites.
I don’t need to be Irish to see that.
Oops.
Again, someone refers to immigrants as parasites.
Well done Broadsheet for serving this community
Nope. I’ve absolutely no issue with immigrants, I do have an issue with exploitation and the lie that immigration is overwhelmingly beneficial for all involved.
I don’t expect a well paid middle class person to understand this.
Now that is a REAL left wing position- and we can’t be having any of that sort of thing in Ireland now can we?
Rat lickers etc.
Your faux concern is obvious. You must work harder at masking your anti-immigrant agenda.
You’re saying basically the immigrants are parasites?
No he is saying immigrants are cheap labour and put up with conditions most indigenous would not.
So it’s you saying immigrants are parasites
Fair enough
So What You’re Saying Is…
Great atrocity actors in Russia all the same … https://news.sky.com/story/russia-covid-19-cases-hit-record-daily-high-as-deaths-spike-with-infection-surge-and-sluggish-vaccine-rollout-12436408
Sky News, they have “No Agenda”, they say so themselves.
The whiff of Nigel Farage off of that story is astonishing.
All the usual luvvies supporting it as expected.
Dividing people along ethnic lines is perfectly acceptable once it’s for the sake of the blessed vaccination program.
Let’s not get distracted going after ‘foreigners’ it’s clearly the kids that are the problem, they don’t wear masks, don’t/can’t socially distance, are crap at personal hygiene, washing hands, sneezing etiquette etc. Numbers have rocketed since they all started hanging out again in cramped, inadequately ventilated classrooms, germing all over each other and bringing said germs home to unsuspecting parents, the majority of whom are vaccinated and (incorrectly!) feel a wee bit invincible as a result and have slacked off on all the transmission reduction measures, spreading it amongst family, friends and the wider community.
The solution is school-wide jabbing of all kids of all ages to protect us all. Satire? Trolling? Or a vision of December 2021?
It’s beginning to feel like we don’t really have any answers and I doubt boosters are going to make much of a dent and I certainly don’t want a booster once or twice a year for the rest of my life. Having started out being incredibly cautious and pro-restrictions, I’m now teetering on the brink of entering the ‘let it rip’ camp, or more moderately, the ‘let’s get on with living/dying’ camp, we’ve given it our best shot.
IMO comedian David McSavage nails it here.
https://www.tiktok.com/@gavindoylemusic/video/7020700957122006277
Let’s not get distracted? It’s not a distraction though is it? The high numbers of easter europeans in ICU and Hospital are testament to the facts. It’s not being made up.
I am throwing my suspicious eye at my nieces’ boyfriend because he has a weird surname then?
Immigrant kids would be better again.
Nip it in the bud.
You’re welcome
Are there other significant identifiable sections of society not taking the vaccines for reasons other than that they can’t, or that they believe it’s all part of a monstrous conspiracy? Because I’d want outreach to those people to find out their reasons and then either try to allay any fears or make whatever accomodations are necessary. That would be good public health policy.
Already had it. Explain why I should get the vax?
Ask your doctor about the pros and cons as they relate to your individual medical history.
Doctors are not experts on vaccines. I asked mine about cytokine storms and he hadn’t a clue about them. He kind of smirked when I explained the long history of cytokine storms and Coronaviruses until I asked him how many kids he’d administered Pandemrix to without knowing it may cause narcolepsy. T’was a tad awks after that tbh…Doctors more often than not simply parrot whatever the Pharma company claims about their product or the National agency in charge of regulating vaccines publishes on it. They themselves know very little and most are not thinkers, but rote learners.
That’s a bit harsh E’Matty. I generally get the impression that they take the pharma info with a large pinch of salt, but maybe I’m lucky. I do agree however that, for better or worse, GPs understanding of immune responses and infectious diseases is pretty poor. A lot of this seems to be down to the focus of the syllabus, which is mainly non-infectious diseases, so perhaps the pharma-sponsored info bubbles to the surface more there.
I’m just shocked that you went to a doctor at all. Your knowledge is obviously superior to any GP, can you not just treat yourself?
“He kind of smirked”.. lol, I can only imagine. I’d say he took a few panadol after you left.
“Ask your doctor about the pros and cons as they relate to your individual medical history.”
Oh man… just brilliant Ha ha ha!
Nigel is now sounding like the end of an American commercial for the Pharma industry.
“Ask your doctor if Neixipresititarhydroquariexium is right for you”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b37mBMZVaKE
Sorry, i should have said ‘Ask E’Matty and Micko, one will quote Jack London (via the latest James Bond), the other will tell you about how he’s seen seen cytokine storms burning off the shoulder of Orion, and between those two you can finally make an informed decision.’
savage comeback man
just savage…
@Tony_k Surely you realise you can get it again?
No need to reach out when you can coerce, bully, intimidate, divide, propagandise & punish those who disobey. Our governments will not let the lessons they’ve learned while making the UN & WEF’s wishes their command go to waste.
Soon we will be forced into The Green Economy & their Quixotic attempt to make the weather behave itself is going to make the Sars02 operation look like a picnic.
That’s the dystopian vision that emerges from this dreadful period of our civilization, that those in power will never go back to allowing any level of real freedom or Democracy.
Power corrupts, the last 20 months have reiterated that.
‘No need to reach out when you can coerce, bully, intimidate, divide, propagandise & punish those who disobey.’
Good thing they’re not doing any of those things.
‘those in power will never go back to allowing any level of real freedom or Democracy.’
According to you, we’ve never had those things.
‘‘No need to reach out when you can coerce, bully, intimidate, divide, propagandise & punish those who disobey.’ (K Cavan)
Good thing they’re not doing any of those things.’ (Nigel)
Just wondering where you live, Nigel. Certainly doesn’t sound like it is in Ireland, if you can truthfully say that about your country’s Government.
I’m glad I don’t live where you live, if that’s what they do.
That would be the reasonable, logical thing to do. Say set up a web page for unvaccinated people to give their reasons for not being vaccinated, and let verified medical professionals answer them publicly, in a way everyone can see and verify for themselves via Google if they so desire. Everything friendly, helpful, and most importantly out in the open.
But no, instead its been a constant refrain of SELFISH RATLICKERS WANT TO KILL OLD PEOPLE. Public shaming and anger, with no actual engagement. Which does nothing to convince anyone on the fence, or only slightly anti-vaxx.
Given how few are unvaccinated, I’m not sure that’s necessary, except in the sense that it’s the sort of public forum we could do with more of in Ireland, across a wide range of subjects. We’ve had some good public forums before but the governments don’t like them because they have to slink out of following the findings and outcomes. I think you’re overstating the demonisation thing – a little is being made to go a very long way, and every time it’s pointed out that the unvaccinated are vulnerable and over-represented in ICUs it’s treated as villification rather than a warning of genuine risk.
The government can’t both argue that the ICUs are at capacity almost entirely down to the unvaccinated, and that its unnecessary to make efforts to reach out to them. They’re two completely conflicting points of view. Either the unvaccinated are a problem and worth engaging with, or they’re not and the government should stop talking about them.
Theres a huge amount of demonisation. Look at the comments even here, on a vacine-skeptical site, we see plenty of RATLICKER!! posts. And thats only amplified in the mainstream media, or on more mainstream internet sites like r/Ireland on reddit or boards.ie. Or look at how often the unvaccinated are brought up by Leo or NPHET.
I don’t tink they’re making that second point at all, though I also don’t think it’s beyond this government to hld multiple contradictory points of view.
If you;re talking about online comments, then yes, certainly there’s a lot of that sort of abuse, but there’s also abuse from certain typs of unvaccinated, not to mention quite astonishing claims. ‘Bringing up’ the unvaccinated is not sufficent to class it as demonisation – they are at risk, particularly during the current surge, and it is a concern. At this stage, any effort to reach out to them is going to be classed as demonisation.
Eastern Europeans from former USSR have a huge mistrust in Gov’t medical programs for obvious historical reasons. That’s about the gist of it.
The tone of the article suggest that there is some kind of suprise here. The impact of public health initiatives to minorities (be that immigrants, migrants, women, etc), is a topic that has been studied in great depth particularly in the UK. Ensuring that measures reach beyond the lazy target (usually white, middle aged, middle class folks) is at the core of any textbook or course exploring health promotion. It is predictable, and expected that non-native English speakers would have lower uptake, and any health planner with any clue of what they are doing should have integrated this on day one of planning. On a relatively recent visit to the west of Ireland I saw multilingual handwashing notices in toilets, including in cyrillic. This is low level stuff that is predicible and plannable. My conclusion is that the public health planners are catastrophically uneducated and shortsighted, or this is simple racial scapegoating.
Nope. I’ve absolutely no issue with immigrants, I do have an issue with exploitation and the lie that immigration is overwhelmingly beneficial for all involved.
I don’t expect a well paid middle class person to understand this.
Well my view is we can’t get enough immigrants
Numbers and breeding demographics alone should eliminate the deficits of the genotypes your representations exhibit.
You have no understanding of immigration or immigrants lives. For you it’s about a restaurant or an accent, a face.
You’re a patronising middle class bore and your comment demonstrates that. Not an original thought in your head
I must have struck quite a nerve there.
My friend I have many immigrant friends.
In my work I visit many peoples homes including those of immigrants at times. Most immigrants I meet are usually far more educated, worldly, clean, polite, cultured etc than you or your ilk, buddy. I can’t wait for them to exponentially multiply and infect the gene pool to such an extent your types are obliterated.
Don’t bite Andrew. Ignore it.
Hit a nerve did I Peter Casey?
Pay them less then half min wage sleeping eight in a thirty year old caravan?
Out in the back in the middle of nowhere in winter in Ireland-?
ALL WHITE?
FU.
You’re welcome.
See my comment to your fellow travelling Neanderthal above. Your behaviour, manner, (lack of) education and disappointing attitudes as you display them here uproariously daily, are exactly those which typically exemplify why we need more immigration and need to phase out the likes of yourselves.
You and your ilk are steadily going to be erased Andrew.
Washed away like so much municipal waste.
Such Obnoxious Quibbering
Radical lefties be “The HSE is racist!”