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Sinéad O’Connor

 

Anyway, I’m joining Sinn Fein now. If they’ll have me. Just as a regular punter who wants to learn and contribute with whatever strengths I might have or learn. I’d like to see a proper socialist Ireland. I’d like to be educated as to how ordinary people like me can help bring about the changes which would make every child equally cherished and make everyone have equal rights. I realised the best way to revolt is vote. And the only vote that’s gonna give anyone a chance of bringing to fruition paragraphs three and four of the Proclamation of 1916 is Sinn Fein, because no other party at the moment is going to honour that Proclamation. If they were inclined to honour it they’d just hand over and say let’s have an election. “

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  5. Eeejit

    The proclamation is also full of reverence to the God and the Church. Should I be praying for Ireland’s religious salvation now as well?

    Bollocks.

    1. sickofallthisbs

      What is bollocks is your fabrication of what the original text refers to. The only reference to God, is “We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God” which is one line in the proclamation. No mention of the Church or Religion and no other mention of God. Rather than spout nonsense, engage brain before commenting.

          2. Medium Sized C

            No it doesn’t.

            In order for that to have any little bit of truth to it the proclaimation would have had to be some sort of legal or foundational status in our state, instead of bluster from a failed rebellion. In itself, the only significance of the proclamation is as a historical document. So it has no effect on seperation of church and state.

            This was a document of its time, a time when people generally were of some christian faith. Freedom of religion was a stated aim because of residual protestant and catholic tensions. The dignatories were most all christians, as effectively all of the people of the Island were. And stil they signed it in Gods name, not the Churches.

            What you are doing, presumably is ignoring that context and conflate the faith of men, with deference to the church, which is stupid at best, bigoted at worst.

            There is no mention of primacy of God in the proclamation, the thing is bulging with aspirations for the state, but all mention of God is as testement to their oaths and hoping their faith will help them. Superstitions.

            So even if it was a foundation for the state, they are literally saying “I swear to God” at the start and “I hope to God we win” at the end.

            Way to trivialise child abuse though.

          3. Mark Dennehy

            So you’re saying that it was only present in the natter at the start and Article 44.1.2 and the fifth amendment we had to have to remove it are figments of everyone’s imagination?

            (Isn’t it a pain in the bottom when history is written down and people can fact-check you?)

          4. ReproBertie

            Didn’t realise there was an Article 44.1.2 in the Proclamation of the Republic.

            How’s that fact-checking going?

      3. Medium Sized C

        there is a mention of freedom of religion. Which I think probably serves to back up your rebuttal. Well said.

        1. Banotti

          Don’t be daft. How can they proclaim religious freedom then a few lines later talk about taking up arms in the name of god.

      4. Alfred E. Neumann

        Is there any chance at all that you people could base your debate on the most blindingly available of facts?

        There are six paragraphs in the Proclamation. Two of them (1 and 6) mention God. Favourably, both times. Every single one of you could have found this out through Google, or by looking at the wall of whatever pub you are currently lowering the tone of. And, yes, it’s a foundational document.

        Jesus, lads. It’s like watching a bunch of brain-damaged puppies. Aim higher.

        2. linbinius

          Yet you are a mainstay reader and a prolific poster. Maybe you could do better….ye know?

          But yeah…..You’re not wrong.

          1. Alfred E. Neumann

            Absolutely, Linbin, and feel free to call me on it when I are stuped.

            A warning, Clampers. Last time I peed like Chester I lost a fiver.

  8. Ellen

    I’ve heard the same noise from quite a few people I would’ve sworn new better. Unfortunately, Sinn Féin looks like the only active leftist party in Irish politics. It isn’t one, but they’ve given it a reasonable paint job.

    If you’re looking for a political party that represents social democracy and civil rights there’s a big hole where Labour should be. And SF are having a go at standing in the gap.

    Kinda wish we could all get together and make the Greens happen. Sinéad can come too, if she wants.

  9. Anne

    “If they’ll have me”.. Go for it Sinead.

    I’m sure Gerry’d have you as his sidekick. His closest confidant. Tell you all his long held secrets.
    You’d have no problem being discreet at all at all, like how you were with that RTE employee you threw under the bus.

    1. Kieran NYC

      Strange that Sinead wouldn’t have an opinion on the cover-up of abuse, the history of violence, Gerry lying, etc, etc.

      If she wants to be a socialist, why doesn’t she join the Socialist Party?

      To be fair, having now just read her post in full, she’s starting out from a position where she hasn’t paid attention to politics, so will surely evolve. Will provide for some interesting discussions with her brother over Christmas dinner anyway.

      2. Alfred E. Neumann

        Not so much discussion, I suspect, as simultaneous monologues. Joe must narrate every sprout.

  12. Diddley Aye

    So Sinead cries salty tears at the thought of children seeing Guards getting aggressive at a violent protest, so she does what, join a party whose terrorist wing merrily killed children by planting bombs in civillian areas.
    She is supported here by commentators who expect to be taken seriously on other matters.

    Wtf is happening to this country?

  14. Sinabhfuil

    She’s talking about these two paragraphs:

    We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

    The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

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    If she thinks Sinn Féin will bring this about, the best of luck to her. I don’t, going on their form, but she does.

  15. The Insight

    Woohoo! If Sinn Fein weren’t a walking PR disaster before, they certainly are now with Sinead “Mad as a bag of badgers” O’Connor in their corner. Even Mary Lou would look normal and reasonable beside her.

    1. Frilly Keane

      Look on the bright side

      She’ll eat inta BoyBarrett’s votes
      Split the Indo/ Anti this n that’s vote

      And ye might have a chance of not making a complete show of yerselves

  16. linbinius

    We are all aware of the bag of drowning rats that we are betting on, right?

    That we are all just waging on the one with the biggest tail, sharpest teeth or the few that have bound together to try keep their head above water?

    They will all be greeted by a larger mammal which will pick and choose one which will be allowed to gasp for air the longest.

    Debating the proclamation as if it is some how relevant to modern day Ireland. Cute really.

  19. Frilly Keane

    I’d vote for ya Sinn’éad

    And I’d canvass for ya

    Just stop using Ordinary when describing the Irish Electorate

    There is no such thing as an ordinary Paddy

  20. Hashtag Diversity

    Given she believes 1916 was a non-violent event, the serial SF denials will be right up her street.

  26. Soundings

    Great coup for the Shinners. World-renowned, socially-aware, articulate and outspoken artist joins their ranks. Sure, what other party would she join.

    When Nelson Mandela died a year ago, it was no accident that it was Gerry Adams who was shouldering his coffin. Not Enda Kenny who wasn’t even there, and let’s face it is little more than a gombeen local councillor who survived longest. Gerry Adams is a world-quality statesman, helped bring peace to Northern Ireland and has led a party which is now the most popular north and south of the border, obviously not the most popular judging by those who venture forth comments on here but that’s not representative now, is it.

    Remember the Irish in Hollywood who lined up to endorse Martin McGuinness for president in 2011? Sometimes we need reminding that Sinn Fein is a different party, which is regarded as something special by those who can see the forest from the trees.

    As for Mairia Cahill, she was allegedly abused during a war. The alleged abuser denied the alleged abuse, the whole thing became complicated because alleged abuser and alleged abused (I keep saying “alleged” because it has never been proven, am old-fashioned in that way) were both prominently connected to Republicanism and there was a brutal process whereby alleged abuser and alleged abused were forced to confront each other (she him, and him her). Mairia didn’t get what she considered justice, she went to the police eventually and at the last minute, withdrew her complaint, and these days pursues what she feels is justice, aided in many respects by people whose main concern is certainly NOT Mairia Cahill. Looks like Sinead has seen through this, and anyway, Sinn Fein is about far, far more than Maria Cahill, who, these days is reduced to re-tweeting anything critical she can find about the Shinners.

    Good luck to Sinead – 2016 will be a fascinating year.

    2. Dubloony

      Where do I start? Jesus!

      “Gerry Adams is a world-quality statesman, helped bring peace to Northern Ireland”
      Brought in from the cold by Hume who actually did most of the hard work.
      Adams couldn’t have won the “long war” so he re-branded it as winning the peace. Not bombing anymore does not a peacemaker make.

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