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A graph and table from yesterday’s Central Statistics Office survey on income and living conditions in Ireland and Michelle Murphy, from Social Justice Ireland on Tonight With Vincent Browne last night

Michelle Murphy, from Social Justice Ireland, summarised the CSO survey on income and living conditions in Ireland last night.

– The median disposable income for an individual – after tax and after social welfare transfers – is just €17,374. This has dropped from €20,681 in 2008.

– One in eight children is living in poverty.

– 60% of those children is living in consistent poverty.

– As a whole, consistent poverty has doubled since 2008.

– There 698,000 people in Ireland who are living on incomes below the poverty line, in other words living on an income of under €10,425 a year.

– 91,000 people who have a job are living on an income below €10,425 a year, otherwise known as the ‘working poor’.

– If Ireland didn’t have social welfare, half the population would receive below €10,425 per year.

From last night’s show:

Vincent Browne: “The median income is the income that the person in the middle of society has, so it gives a far better reflection. And the median income is €33, 469 and we conduct public debate in this country as though everyone is living off of €50,000 and over. This isn’t true. And I just think half the population are living on..sorry, this is household income now, household income…of less than that.”

Michelle Murphy “Yes, so the median income gives a much clearer picture. It shows you what’s happening in society and the median income has been falling year on year, even though the average income rose this year, the median income fell and the picture of what’s happening in the middle. That shows that people are still losing money, it shows that perhaps wages are falling, they’ve less money in their pocket, they’re paying more for services. And the median income for an individual, not a household, is just €17,000 per annum so that’s the median income for individuals in the  middle in society. So it really gives an accurate picture of what’s happening in the economy and in society and the challenges that Government face in terms of implementing policies to deal with because the policies they’ve implemented thus far have actually worsened the problem.”

Survey on income and living conditions (Central Statistics Office)

Number of people in consistent poverty in Ireland doubles since 2008 (Social Justice Ireland)

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46 thoughts on “Incoming

  1. Blah

    “- If Ireland didn’t have social welfare, half the population would receive below €10,425 per year.”

    Job well done by the Irish welfare state/government, then.

          1. Medium Sized C

            No seriously, you weren’t arsed reading the document so you googled for information that is contained in the document and came up with different information.

          2. Don Pidgeoni

            God you are moany murtle. Why would it bother you that much that I didnt click on the link above but found another resource somewhere else that gives the exact same deprivation indicators, that ironically you didnt bother to read? Get a grip.

          3. Medium Sized C

            You are reading way too far into this.
            I’m happy to point out the stupid thing you did.

            Also, you don’t understand the concept of Irony.

      1. Norm

        The damaging lack of material benefits considered to be basic necessities in a society.
        In simple terms, the Deprivation Index is a method of measuring the relative affluence or disadvantage of a particular geographical area using data compiled from various censuses. A scoring is given to the area based on a national average of zero and ranging from approximately -35 (being the most disadvantaged) to +35 (being the most affluent). In addition to this, percentage data for the area is given under the following categories:
        – Population Change
        – Age Dependency Ratio
        – Lone Parent Ratio
        – Primary Education Only
        – Third Level Education
        – Unemployment Rate (male and female)
        – Proportion living in Local Authority Rented Housing
        From: https://www.pobal.ie/Pages/New-Measures.aspx

          1. Medium Sized C

            I have sat down and discussed the HP deprivation index with H from the title.

            It is calculated based on the census and so really can’t be used for this kind of analysis.

  2. JimmytheHead

    Lads its far more important that we give all our money to faceless banks so that we can hang out with the other Eurozone countries and be all like “balance your economy much bro?” and Greece will be all like “whaaaaat?” you nome sayin? word up

  3. HappyDub

    Stupid politicians, no joined up thinking.
    We have a seagull problem, and a homeless problem, and kids going to school hungry problem.
    Vote for HappyDub, I’ll implement a programme to give shelter to homeless people who catch seagulls
    and feed them to children on the way to school, simples.

    A vote for Happy, is a vote for progress.

    1. Major Thrill

      Of course by the time it passes the debate and ammendment stages we’ll be sending homeless seagulls to school.

    2. Murph

      Which will cause a black market in the breeding of Seagulls for profit (or shelter) leading to the scheme becoming unsustainable leading to all of the newly-bred seagulls being released leading to a bigger problem than before.

      The Cobra Effect

  4. Drogg

    I really love how i see businesses constantly using the recession as an excuse to not pay employees more it doesn’t matter if your profits are up the last 3 years but the employer are still telling people if they give you a raise they will have to close the doors.

    1. Kieran NYC

      The general public play into this all the time by moaning constantly about the state of everything, how they never have a penny, can’t afford the water charges, how they’re all fupped, that half the country is homeless, and the other half is in negative equity, etc and never pointing out the economic positives at all.

      The recession ended years ago. If the country woke up to this and stopped wallowing in misery, they might be better placed to demand a raise.

  5. Dubloony

    So global economy goes bust, local idiocy that we voted for exacerbates it, economy tanks, hit 15% unemployment, mass emigration returns and we are surprised that there is deprivation in our country.

  6. Mister Mister

    What is poverty in this instance, relative poverty, or old fashioned no shoes to wear type poverty ?

    1. serf

      “At Risk of Poverty” is defined as < 60% below median household income). "Social Deprivation" measure is based on a survey of to what extent households are deprived of certain "normal" characteristics (including entertainment every fortnight, weekly roast meals, having a warm home, ability to buy new clothes…). So "At Risk of Poverty" is a relative measure (quite objectively defined) and "Social Deprivation" is an absolute measure (quite subjectively defined). Either way, not straightforward stats. Problem is that they get thrown around as hard facts.

        1. Don Pidgeoni

          They are odd indicators. The ones about heating and coat and shoes etc yes but having a roast?

  7. Truth in the Newa

    How come RTE the so called public service broadcaster did
    lead with this in their main news bulletin’s….what was first item
    …..wording for same sex marriage referendum…reality check
    needed:

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