Steve asks:
Is broadsheet going to mention to jump in support for FG in the latest IT [irish Times] poll or are they only mentioned when the government parties see their support drop??
Busted.
How dare you.
Poll bounce for Fine Gael as support continues to rise (Irish Times)
Graph: Irish Times
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How the fupp can Sinn Fein have 21% support?
It’s shocking and scary.
Yea i would have thought it was more than that…. lol
Who are you voting for?
I don’t live in Ireland so I’ve no vote.
Who would you vote for?
Fine Gael
FG voters on the sherry when the poll was done?
A lot of BS articles are about the stupidity of Irish people, so why not mention an increase in FG support?
+4
Because nobody cares.
How the fupp can FF or FG have 20%+
Disaster
EVERYONE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP SAYING ‘FUPP’
IT’S SO BLOODY CONTRIVED AND CRINGEWORTHY
IT WAS A ONE-OFF GAG IN FATHER TED, NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED AD BLEEDING NAUSEAM BY BROADSHEET COMMENTATORS
USE ‘F***’ OR ‘F**K’ OR SOME MILDER EXPLETIVE THAT WON’T GET BLOCKED. JUST STOP SAYING ‘FUPP’. IT’S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN’T READ BROADSHEET ANYMORE
Please.
Poo
24% is a pretty big number to lump under ‘Ind / others’. Where are the Greens in that, and the new Renal thing?
They’re down the bottom
Blueshirt bounce is well within the margin of error.
4% is “well” within the margin of error? What was it? Internet polls have a margin of error less than 4%.
Purchasing the next election going exactly to plan – ah, the Irish electorate – as predictable as ever.
Since coming to power FG have done everything possible to make living in Ireland a more burdensome affair for ordinary people, we are an inconvenience, the enemy.,whilst improving the lot of the insulated classes with the transfer of wealth from the state to well-placed individuals. – Have we the same as the UK, where people will vote FG but not openly admit it for fear of appearing anti-social?
Bang on.
Okay, so which Government in living memory did you like? Or is it just untested protest parties that promise you everything that catch your eye?
Why base the future on the ‘tested’ past? – because that has not gone entirely without laughable calamity.
You know when you know somebody is a C U Next Tuesday?
Well somebody you’ve never met may not be one.
That was a reply for Kolmo.
Actually no it wasn’t, it was for Just Sayin’
Spot on.
The “shy FG voter”? – Oh nose!
BROADSHEET DOESN’T HAVE AN AGENDA, OK, STEVE? Here’s proof, we are publishing your blasted poll and pretending we don’t have an agenda and that we are “independent”.
What makes you think Broadsheet is required to be independent?
I read it once on the internet…
#VoteIndependent.
I think you might find that Broadsheet support a “Yes” vote in the forthcoming marriage referendum.
Out of the current political system, what would the preferred government/coalition look like for broadsheet readers?
How are yiz gonna vote, like?
#VoteIndependent.
Labour @ 7%. How TF is this possible
Possible in what direction?
There’s a more-or-less irreducible core of around 6-7% for Labour based on whatever personal votes their TDs can hold on to along with a right-on bo-bo vote who are really really exercised about gay marriage/right to choose/secularism and financially comfortable enough not to worry about the economy. Páirtí an Lucht Twitter, as you might say. How far it’s going to get Labour at the next election is another matter.
FG’s relatively better performance shouldn’t come as a surprise; they know their voter base and they make sure that they’re looked after.
‘…Páirtí an Lucht Twitter’….love it…and nice analysis…
Can any one tell me who the better alternative to Fg/Lab is. Honestly who would you vote for. I personally think none are worth voting for
Agreed. Its a case of picking the least crap. The most crap being Sinn Fein, in my opinion.
Glad to help with the broadsheet clickbait
Little Young Fine Gaeler.
Don’t forget to drop off that Goebbels book before the James Joyce Library closes for summer.
Ah relax, yeah I’ll vote FG and you can vote for who you want to and we’ll leave it that.
I do find it interesting though, and it’s something I’ve mentioned before, that the readership/commentariat of BS have engaged in this mass confirmation bias over the last 2 years. People reinforcing each other’s view that FG is going to get pummelled in the next election. This, most likely, will not happen.
Reading the shocked comments (how can FG etc etc etc.) above seems to prove that. Note : general electorate does not equal BS readership.
Meow!
Now please link to a source that has consistently backed an FG resurgence.
I think you have a point about the “confirmation bias” thing around here. I could be wrong, but it seems that a lot of BS readers are blinkered to the existence of a large conservative, “respectable”, older for the most part, anti-Shinner vote.
Goodwin’s Law? How intellectually lazy of you!
…I think it’s been widely acknowledged by the full spectrum of commenters here that the FG vote is solid and they will be returned as the largest party in the next election, regardless. The hapless Labour party look like paying the price for their betrayal of the people who supported them – including me.
What I take some solice from is the reaction to the inexorable rise of the Shinners…but don’t worry blueshirts…you are as obnoxious to them as they are to you. FF/FG next election…about time too.
Not sure what website you’re reading Bisted.
Before today most were cheerfully predicting FG to be ravaged in the next election and those who didn’t were of course ‘blue shirt shills’
Thanks for bringing this FG rise to our attention [strike]Enda[/strike] Steve.
DamnBecause coloured boxes NEVER lie
doesnt matter who u vote for. its all fixed anyway. none of you know that, but i do .. i know it for fact. FG will win the general election. MMW
“Just call me Deepthroat…”
“follow the money”
Depressing that 2 parties who have been so damaging to this country – FF economically, SF by 30 years of bloodshed (yeah, yeah, peace process i know) between them command 41%.
I would like to see the “Others” broken down into more detail – 24% is too large a chunk to be left undefined like that.
“Graph: Irish Times”
Do colouredy boxes with numbers in them really count as a graph?
Nice
Sum’ting ta’ get stuck inta now once Refereedumming is done.
Ta “Steve”
It’s pretty amazing, no matter what forum or page I’m on that peopl are surprised that FG have such numbers in the polls.
Perhaps those who are unhappy about the polls should honestly think about putting in some leg work to change the minds of the populace about Fine Gael and Labour, instead of being shocked. Changing the status quo takes a lot of hard work and people who are trying to change the country – be it water charges or the 8th amendment, need your help.
Also, FG didn’t do to well in polls over the weekend and recent results in Poland and the UK show polls for what they really are.
The polls in England predicted a close vote between Tory and Labour.
Who knew 37% is an overall majority?
#VoteIndependent.
Out of interest here and it’s probably too late for this since most everyone’s gone home….
Apart from Irish Water (which they campaigned on) and DOB/Siteserv (which is a whole other kettle of fish), What exactly has been FGs cardinal sin?
Yes, I realise that’s a little ‘what have the romans ever done for us..’ but humour me
Did you have a fall as a baby? Just curious like…
No answer then?
It seems not.
Go on..tell us. What it is?
Just messin’.
Your question has me stumped.
Maybe the admins might have an answer.
rotide I am stumped by this one myself…
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Seeing as I couldn’t start a row with an actual paid shill, I will have a shot at your question.
Apart from the lying, venality and corruption, what has FG’s cardinal sin been?
I guess they’re all so damn gorgeous and we’re just jealous.
No seriously, they’re just another FF, always turning up to claim credit for hard work and enterprise and then siphoning money to their friends and family in grants for dubious businesses and unnecessary public service jobs. The rest of us work and scrimp and save while these galoots swan about like heroes when they contribute nothing but favours and backhanders to the arrogant and lazy. I guess it’s easier to see the dynamic at play in a rural community, lots of people just don’t get involved in community or politics, many people are lazy and corrupt and any system will give inordinate power to anybody who can muster a third of the vote.
I wish it didn’t always come down to pothole fixing but let’s face it we’re not all brilliant at everything – many of my friends and neighbours will trust the fella who ‘got’ them planning permission or wrote a letter to a judge for them so will unquestioningly follow their lead on matters they don’t fully understand.
This power, I believe, is used to deceive and manipulate and the Fine Gael controlled county councils bled this country white with wasteful and illegal rezoning of land.
It was the rezoning and the 1000% profits earned by the few who controlled favoured sites that started us on our spiral of debt after dragging ourselves out of the 1980s.
You haven’t actually given any reasons there, just some vague rhetoric about backhanders and stuff they did in city councils in the 90s.
Like I said, I’m curious for real reasons that they aren’t popular apart from the above things i outlined.
You wouldn’t ever stop being an attention seeking pest would ya?
If you genuinely think they should be popular, tell us why then, instead of goading people.
Would you ever stop pretending you have something to say? I asked a genuine question and got nothing but insults from you. At least the other lad pretended to have a point.
I’m not hugely political but I do notice that for all the hot air blown about FG here, outside of DOB and IW, there’s no actual concrete beefs just a lot of baseless moaning.
I wouldnt know who to vote for next time as even though, I think they’ve done a semi reasonable job with the economy given what they inherited and to the best of my knowledge haven’t fcuked up the health system any worse than it was (although im open to correction on that, hence the question), They seem to have lost the run of themselves with the housing situation and really have missed the chance to do something really extreme off the back of the FF years.
I fully expect to be corrected on the above by people who know what they’re talking about, but certainly not by a lad with nothing better to do than to pose as a woman online, eh anne?
Baseless moaning?
Ah come on, you’re taking the p*ss surey? Did you like leave us for a period of time, and have no recollection of anything?
And cmere, I couldn’t give a rat’s arse whether yous think I’m a man, a he-she, or a fupping ginnygoat.. I’m not really up for answering the likes of you and your questions – which btw when they get answered you’ll dismiss. You pest. Toodles.. Night night now.
FML
I actually came back here for that.
Laterzzzzz
K.
It’s not vague or rhetorical it’s very real and pertinent. FG didn’t inherit a mess from FF, they were at the very heart of it. Billions were squandered on random fields of houses and half-assed retail parks outside of actual sustainable development zones.
We were advised and warned and fined by the EU to no avail.
When land which wasn’t on any town-planning or development map was re zoned by dodgy councils, vast profits were made.
Developers borrowed to buy this building land and the hard working faithful borrowed to buy the sh1tholes built on them. That’s our debt. That’s the billions right there, moved offshore. That’s why Phil Hogan shut down the planning inquiry because FG had a controlling vote on so many of these councils.
Frankly, the Lowry/O’Brien fiasco is small beans, the kind of shenanigans FF are adept at… Remember the £40 million bridge on the M50 that cost us €2billion?
FG are not as bad as those other hoors.
That’s the best I can say for them.
Further the revised planning act brought in under gormley brought significant supervening powers to the Minister, to intervene in the case of bad planning, on foot of a public tip off etc. Hogan rolled all that back immediately