Martyrdom: the Colouring Book by Hallie Fryd, illustrated by Julia Gfrörer. To wit:
The lives of the saints are filled with inspiring, life-changing moments—but the deaths of the martyrs are where you’ll find the real “Oh, hell no!” moments of history. This adult (very adult, as the body count will quickly indicate) coloring book gives aspiring crayon and paper artists the chance to hone their craft while also buffing up their knowledge of Catholic history
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“Catholic history”
Ah yes, women bursting from dragons and various other “historical” events that absolutely happened.
People’s stories, what they believed or recounted as legend is and interesting and important part of history – social history certainly.
Unless you’re one of those people who worry that people can’t tell the difference between fact, faith and s colourful story.
In fairness, it’s demonstrable that there are many billions of people in this world who can’t tell that difference, news.
“Unless you’re one of those people who worry that people can’t tell the difference between fact, faith and s colourful story.”
You mean is he one of those people who refer to a foetus or a zygote as a baby?
That’s a matter of opinion.
Some people have an opinion that God and angels exist. Tomayto/Tomato.
Yes. Stories. Just that.
As in, not history.
History is full of stories. Some of them are true.
Yes. The ones that happened. The historical ones.
Hard to understand Catholic history without the stories, true and untrue.
Indeed. It’s just that the untrue ones aren’t history.
But they can and indeed must be part of that history. All the more so because people believed they were true, and because hagiography was seen as a legitimate form of historical writing.
“But they can and indeed must be part of that history.”
But aren’t actual history themselves.
“hagiography was seen as a legitimate form of historical writing”
By people who didn’t know what history means.
They are historical artifacts in their own right.
By people who were ultimately contributing to our understanding of what history means and how it works.
“They are historical artifacts in their own right”
Just not historical accounts.
“By people who were ultimately contributing to our understanding of what history means and how it works.”
But who themselves were unsure about the definition of “historical”.
Nigel I think you’re confusing the word ‘history’ with ‘myths’.
But part of history.
But who were nonetheless helping shape how history is viewed and understood.
I think KirkenBrenner is confusing ‘history as myths’ with ‘myths as history.’ How can you possibly understand the history of the Catholic Church without understanding its myths? The Divine Right Of Kings was a Catholic myth that helped shape the European concept of monarchy for hundreds of years.
Kieran NYC: Yep.
“But part of history.”
And not historical.
“But who were nonetheless helping shape how history is viewed and understood.”
And who still weren’t sure of what “historical” means.
Like women bursting from dragons.
That people talked and wrote about this is historical fact.
That it happened itself is not.
Because it didn’t happen.
i.e. it is not history.
But that people believed it is.
And irrelevant, as people believing it doesn’t make it history.
Yes, that’s why nobody studies myths, legends, religions or beliefs, plays, novels, ballads, films, or any sort of artistic representations that weren’t strictly factual, frauds, lies, cover-ups or propaganda as they occurred in the past because though they did happen and they did have an affect, they have been ignored as not being history. That’s why you don’t know that Stalin used to have people edited out of photos, because it was suggesting something that didn’t happen, and why you never hear anyone talking about Goebbels, because all his propaganda was mostly lies even if people believed it and the Protocols Of The Elder Of Zion? pack o’ lies, so nothing historical about that and completely irrelevant even if people did believe it. Most of those plays Shakespeare wrote were completely made up! Nobody ever contextualises them as things out of history or uses them to contextualise a period of history!
People believing in dragons doesn’t mean dragons existed.
Events that allegedly involved dragons did not happen.
That is, neither dragons nor these alleged events are a part of history.
But dragon as concept, dragon as symbol, dragon as story, dragon as represented in work of art does. It must do. You don’t believe in dragons, but you know what they are, and you know that people once believed in them and you know that people told stories about them: history!
Descriptions of dragons are part of history.
Dragons themselves don’t exist.
Dragons are not historical. They are mythical.
They are not a part of history.
Finally! I’m glad we agree.
Well done. You got there in the end.
Getting you to the water was easy; making you drink was the tricky part.
I could have just given you yet another fish, but teaching you how to fish for yourself was much more important.
And so on.
Give a man a dragon and you feed the dragon for a day. Teach a man to dragon and he can make a good living on the Panto circuit.
KirkenBrenner, as a neutral, Nigel was right.
Nope. A woman wasn’t swallowed by a dragon. It simply didn’t happen. So it isn’t history.
There’s dragons? The church should consider that as a unique selling point to bring GoT fans through the door
When did big, fire breathing dragons become extinct? They’re littered through the Bible and Christian lore. St George defeated one, St Margaret invented the caesarian through one, so when did they die out?
Shrek 4
That’s an interesting question, Daisy
‘The Messenger’s colouring competitions are getting very elaborate.
I was wondering if I could get a version of this book for my Muslim friends? Though I think they’ve got something like 100k prophets? It’d be like one of those telephone directory style colouring books we used to get back in the day.
Well they have one of their own, plus Jesus and all the Jewish ones they co-opted. Don’t think the whole colouring book thing is a good idea. They tend to have some….reservations about having him dipicted. I would make a big splash sure, just not of the desirable kind
…if only the Romans had a few more lions…
Tbf, what have the Romans ever given us?
Yeah, wouldn’t it be great if there were people and regimes torturing and killing Christians today, in the 21st Century? Maybe in Syria, Iraq or on a beach in Libya?
Nice one bisted.
Hate speech? Think so . . .
St Margaret, maker of the Holy Hand Grenades, great lady.
And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, ‘O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy…..And the Lord spake, saying, First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out! Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
A virgin the patron saint of pregnant women? You could’t make it up!
Oh wait…
According to the text she was in prison in ancient syria where she was beaten, tortured and torn.
Something tells me her virginity did not remain intact.
Sounds like the Catholic Church co-opted those tactics.