23 thoughts on “A Limerick A Day

  1. Joe835

    Fair enough, níl aon grá mór agam leis an Tuaisceart but I can relate more to their leader’s comments than my own.

    Whatever about how it might have been viewed in, say, June 1916, when the magnitude of the entirely-unnecessary executions of the Rising leaders had sunk in and begun to change minds – we have 100 years of history since then and to say the Rising was a good thing on a whole for Ireland (or more particularly, this state) is a fallacy.

    Leaving aside the cultural, ethnic and religious cleansing it provoked, the Rising also provided a framework of justifiable republican violence that can and does continue to this day.

    It’s perfectly possible, by its logic, that a bunch of republicans could seize, by force, the Garda station in Ashbourne, kill a dozen or so of Gardaí and set in motion a series of events that could overthrow the entire state we now live in by 2022. Then, on its 50th anniversary in 2066, a big State ceremony in Ashbourne could celebrate the glorious victory over the hated police and kids in the crowd could be on the evening news, being asked by the reporter “what was your favourite part of the reenactment?” To which the child could reply “when they killed the police”*.

    Grand country, sure who’d begrudge us a day out?

    *And yes, that actually happened on the news the other day

    1. Nilbert

      That’s great. Do you have any other entirely ridiculous and unrelated scenarios to further illustrate your ill-informed point.
      You mentioned cultural, religious, and ethnic cleansing… have you heard of the British Empire by any chance?

  2. Clampers Outside!

    “Pearse saw the Rising as a Passion Play with real blood” said Conor Cruise O’Brien. I’ve read others who claim the whole Easter timing and resurrection wasn’t just for the symbolism for Ireland but also to feed his personal drive… his ego, his religious fervour. To claim Pearse was not egotistical would be stupid. Arlene Foster is not alone in calling them egotists.

    To get mad with her for saying the obvious is silly, it’s a perfectly valid point to make.

      1. Vote Rep #1

        And he would be proud to admit it. Doesn’t necessarily negate what Clampers said though.

  3. Willie Banjo

    Whatever you might think of it, political leaders in the South have sought to be inclusive and respectful of all cultures during the commemoration. This is what they get in return…

    1. mildred st. meadowlark

      Agreed. I found this comment particularly baffling:

      “I am not going to be involved in anything that is going to attack or denigrate that union. I can’t understand why he is disappointed,” Ms Foster said.

      How does our celebration in any way denigrate the union? Honestly.

      It seems that she is the one who is determined to drag the violence of time past back into present day. These old wounds will take time to heal. Coming out with stuff like this is entirely unhelpful, and particularly irresponsible from someone in her position.

      1. ahjayzis

        “I am not going to be involved in anything that is going to attack or denigrate that union. I”

        Unless it’s legislation from Westminster that’s in any way pro-equality or progressive. Then it’s We Ourselves mode in the DUP.

      2. Clampers Outside!

        +1

        That statement completely ignores the fact that the six counties are still just another colony from times past.

        Did she say the same thing or anything remotely similar about all the other colonies when they left the old has been of an Empire? Doubt it :)

        1. Anne

          “They had no democratic backing.” she says, with a straight face, with no sense of the irony of her comment..

  4. Steve

    Disappointed that BS hasn’t done a how was it for you on this….

    I’m 26/6 split on this. I agree with John Bruton but then again Britain ignored the Sinn Fein vote in 1918. After that, imo, Britain had lost any legitimacy to rule in what is now ROI. The war of independence was fully justified. But that SF vote of 1918 was brought about by the undemocratic actions of 1916. No matter how idealistic it was none of the leaders were elected . O’connell , butt, Parnell , Redmond should always be held with high esteem. They are as much founding fathers of this country as are the first dail. I find it hard to place Pearse and co. Maybe there is no placing. Maybe they are all just there. What the hell maybe we should recognise Carson for the politician that he was for “his” people – a fine Dub.

    I was uneasy with weekend in general. Irish history is too complex for the simple glorification of 1916….ww1, unionism or the simple fact we have spent centuries intermingling with our Britain neighbours. Show me an Irish person without an English friend or relative and I’ll show you a pig flying. The weekend was too much “Britain vs us”. It shouldn’t be like that.

    And there are loads of inaccuracies still- it wasn’t the sherwoods who put down the rising. They just cleaned up. It was the Dublin fusiliers, the same fusiliers Luke signs about, who were first in. Irishmen fighting Irishmen. Cousin fighting cousin in some instances…eg the north circular road. As I said Irish history is too complex.

    I enjoyed the photo exhibitions – the one in temple bar is great. But Wesley boyd’s article today in IT is spot on . It’s sad but I think I grew up in an ROI generation that cringes when we see overt nationalism. It’s sad that when I see a tricolour flying outside someone’s house I automatically assume there a harcore republican living in there who hates Britain and wants to kill English people in the name of pearse. Maybe they are just proud of their country.

    I also recognise that the flag is a unifying force for people in the north who went through the civil rights and troubles. I didn’t go through that so i feel uneasy talking about that.Maybe that’s just me. Irish history too complex. I’m glad we are really moving on with all island relations. Sport defo helps. A Belfast man captaining Ireland in lansdowne. Tis great like.

    But then again i walked through Smithfield on Sunday and saw lads wearing fake aviators with fat bellies in green jumpers and standing around smoking. First thing I thought was “it’s sad that our country has been polluted by this”. Second thing was ” the fusiliers would have had no trouble chasing down those fat pr@&ks during Easter week”.

  5. Funster Fionnanánn

    Northern Irish “politics”. The Brits don’t care and the Irish don’t care. As long as they stay where they are leave them at it . Norn Iron is finally boring. NEXT!!!!

  6. H

    I found this last paragraph galling:

    “However, she said she acknowledged that everyone who was killed in 1916, including British soldiers and police officers, were recognised on Easter Sunday, “and at least that was progress”.”

    I’d like to see her contribution to the ‘progress’ and I’d also like to know what she thinks it is progressing towards.

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