The Sun’s reaction (top) to Stephen fry’s interview on the The Rubin Report in America (above) about self pity and clear thinking.
Gulp.
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The Sun’s reaction (top) to Stephen fry’s interview on the The Rubin Report in America (above) about self pity and clear thinking.
Gulp.
says Mister Self-Pity himself.
maybe he can childishly quit doing media interviews over some pathetic little perceived slight too.
Talking of childish…
In fairness he was referring to the ridiculous trigger warnings and safe spaces which have sprung up in some American Universities which run contrary to the point of a University …the whole Trigger warning thing is just narcissism
Ah yes the terrifying narcissism of abuse survivors. They should stop feeling sorry for themselves.
I didnt say abuse survivors are narcissistic, I said trigger warnings are
Who do you think trigger warnings are for?
Fans of Only Fools and Horses?
And the Lone Ranger.
Narcissists.
Trigger warnings are the path to the end of language – statisically speaking there isn’t a word in existence that doesn’t offend somebody somewhere – and now that it’s got a name and the backup of social media, writers and speakers everywhere are in danger of being vilified for any utterance they make
Pity he couldn’t do that in an intelligent and nuanced way.
I would not call it narcissism at all although I do think things have gotten out of control
Triggered
Jesus heard that.
Of course, brainless journalists (although they probably knew this) going for utter non-sense by adding “abuse victims” in the mix when it wasnt a question of that at all…. morons.
It’s a sad attempt to be ‘relevant’ again.
His tweets were pathetically unfunny, and he saw his Twitter influence as Godlike.
His BAFTA performance was atrocious too and full of gay double entendre jokes.
And what about his toy boy. Its a lame 2nd midlife crisis. ‘Uncle Monty’ should just retire.
“full of gay double entendre jokes” ….would you have included that if they were hetero entendre jokes? To be honest, it’d be more important to know whether the jokes were funny or not…. wouldn’t it… who cares if they were gay/straight jokes ffs.
He was using the jokes in a self-referential manner. If a straight host was doing the same, constantly referring to his sexuality, and at times being sleazy and making female guests uncomfortable, then YES I would have pointed that out too.
I don’t see your point, but I hope you’ve enjoyed pointing out Chris Rocks ‘black’ jokes in the past when he’s done the Oscars… and not just the ‘white’ Oscars gone by…. zzzzzzzz
I’m not surprised you don’t get the point. Enjoy your nap.
Yeah he was poo on the Baftas, and dressed like a tramp – which made his bag lady remark doubly infuriating.
Somewhere Gay Byrne is happy…
Disappointing. From the fragment I heard on the radio I agree with him about not allowing sensitivities to prevent the study of classics – though I’ve no idea if that really is a problem – but ‘stop feeling sorry for yourself’ has been used as a way of shutting people up or dismissing and diminishing their problems and he should know that quite well. Incredibly ill – judged.
Good to have you here to judge Nigel.
Thanks for that judgement on my judging Tony.
idiots the pair of ya
You meant “ye” surely?
The English language doesn’t hold a distinction between 3rd person plural or singular. I would have thought you’d be aware of that since primary school.
Robert, formal written English may not & it is a big weakness of the language.
Thus the vernacular very much does – ye, youse, y’all…
You silly, wannabe snob.
Classic case of quote taken out of context to make someone look bad.
If you have been raped or abuse DON’T expect that others cant talk about it or put it into art because it’s personally distressing to you.
While that does happen, it didn’t in this case.
Non story. Taken out of context.
its not at all taken out of context. did you watch it?
yes. did you.
he shouldn’t have rejected God with gay bynre.
This is god’s revenge getting Fry lynched by his own crowd , the twitter mob.
or does that make Fry the son of God?
I’m confused ….maybe God has a sense of humour.
What was, and still is, striking about that Gay Byrne interview is the amount of discussion about Gay’s reaction, his face, how what Fry had said upset him.
It proved to me that SOME atheists fulfill the stereotype – their views only matter to them because of the reaction they provoke, or seem, to provoke in others. “Oh look, we made the old religious guy angry.”
Also, this story has triggered my memory of Richard Dawkins saying child abuse wasn’t all that bad a few years ago.
That guy has more in common with the Catholic hierarchy than people give him credit for.
That my friend, is what is called “projection”.
Thank you for sharing your inner thoughts, intentional or not.
The state of this pompous pseudo-intellectual fool… he blindly leaps from topic to topic, desperately shoe-horning in classical allusions and references. His vanity is spectacular to behold.
Is he back on the chaz? I really hope so.
The bigger point he was making is that young people today are the moaniest, self obsessed, victim whinging and closed minded generation ever. A coddled generation as they have been called. Screaming pain when any is mentioned, just to bring it back to themselves. And what’s more, it is the fault of their liberal parents who tell them they have the right to be whatever they want whenever and no one call tell them different. Don and Nigel would be two that jump to mind. Although its a crowded space on here in fairness. Ye reap what ye sow. Your children will annoy the face off you, and that will be punishment enough.
… he whinged.
+1
When your big complaint is that abuse survivors are moaning and complaining and entitled and coddled and self pitying you may be mistaken about who’s the narcissist.
I didn’t say that Nigel. I said young people. But you knew that.
But that’s what Fry said. ‘If you were touched bh your uncle’ wasn’t it? If you want to go ahead and characterise an entire generation in the style of older generations since time began that’s your prerogative but I wouldn’t pretend you’re offering anything more meaningful than ‘old man shouts at cloud.’
I can hardly understand you through your pursed lips.
You also said this is somehow our fault. There’s not any need for that is there?
Of course it is. Promising and advocating the impossible utopian dream and giving out when its not realised. the kids look to you and actually believe that bullcrap. I know you mean well, but try and be more responsible in your saintliness.
I can hardly understand you through your vague incoherence.
What are you even taking about?
Apparently you are a ‘Saint’ Dón.
A saint AND an unstoppable force? Watch out Clamps!!
Seriously, I think somehow I am warping the brains of entire generation. I must remember with great power comes great responsibility.
Who me? Read your comments please. You and people like you project a sense of entitlement to a perfect world. That is being passed on to the next generation who have to confront the disappointment of reality. But you people dont care, because you have found the next outrage to tweet about so the world sees your divine perfection.
And you are pretending to sound like someone who cares. Spare me meaty.
Tony’s sweeping negative generalisations about an entire generation show that he is the one who truly cares.
Is this because of my *jizzhands* comment?
I don’t use Twitter so I don’t know what your generalisations of “me and my kind” mean except to make you sound angry at people you don’t even know and distract from what people were actually discussing.
The passive aggressive stance is also congruent with the hipster superiority associated with liberal attention seekers. Its all they have in the face of challenge.
And all you seem is have is sneering and anger about whatever it is you are mad about. I recommend more sunshine, get out in that, it’s beautiful!
My supposition is well established in the universities of US and UK. You tribal, insular pofaced pretend do-gooders are so up yourselves you dont even notice. Its at epidemic levels now with free speech (which you claim to like) being seriously challenged. But as long as you seem compassionate (hopefully more compassionate than others) all is ok. You can wear you cloak of smug pulled pork in comfort. And as for enjoying myself, id bait liberals all day long just to have the lols. They are the true evil of our times, and they walk among us dressed as the concerned.
Men women and children drowning in the Med but Tony knows where true evil lies.
God you are shameful. Stop using the migrants to parade your compassion. The bleating on here at the time of that baby on the beach was disgusting as the liberate clamoured on his corpse to declare your compassion and condemn basically everyone. Then along comes the next outrage and you were hitching your bandwagon to that. Glad the migrants have become useful to you once more.
You used slobbering twice. Edit, edit edit…
They’re certainly useful when it comes to measuring the worth of someone’s declamations of EVIL.
‘My supposition is well established in the universities of US and UK’
Tony, let’s be honest here. You have spent very little (none at all?) time in the ‘universities of US and UK’, have you?
Your strident statements are based on a handful of youtube videos and a few online articles about the onslaught of social justice warriors.
Your unthought blathering on the topic has made me rethink my (slight) prejudice to be concerned about this issue. Congrats, you have helped make me slightly more liberal.
And thats exactly the kind of comment that highlights the utter insincerity of your “care”. you just want to win arguments, not make anything better.
I don’t know if winning an argument in a comment section will make anything better but at least I have enough self respect not to whine that the other person is being insincere. Then again I didn’t start whining about how horrible the entire younger generation is, either.
If you had the self respect you proclaim, you would try and articulate yourself better.
Is there a name for the fallacy of ‘argument through admitting you’re not bright enough to understand something?’
Will you stop youth-bashing? Just remember when you were one. And what was said about your generation back then. And annoying children learn from annoying parents, You reap what you sow.
Oops. Did I trigger something? Were you youth-bashed? Get some counselling- surely the government provide that??? Or if not what kind of s-it hole is this country!!! Aaaaargh… Joe, joe joe!
it was a ham fisted example but I agree with his general thought process
not like the sun to twist something…
or twitter….
You said fisted… is that cos Stephen Fry is a pig?
on the sites i frequent fisting is all the rage…
He was making a point about controling language and symbols then went of on a serious tangent. His conclusion had nothing to do with the point he started out trying to make. Suggest he was drunk, stoned or tired
suggest people stop making excuses for him. he wasnt drunk or stoned, and if he was tired, being tired doesnt give you the opinions or a complete @r$hol€
Not making excuses for him, but giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I like giving people the benefit of the doubt.
I have great instinct.
+1
Not that serious a tangent. but you are right.
I think previous comments hit the nail on the head.
In the context of a conversation in which he is being asked about the Left closing out dialogue, and policing language he was right to call it out as he did.
What was unfortunate was his needlessly insensitive choice of words.
But an absolute non-story? Yes
What jokes about pikies?
This is it? –
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/03/21/worth-the-licence-fee/#comment-1584002
“If you said you were ready for the knacker’s yard, or you were knackered.. are you 100% racist?”
Your response –
” When you resort to those forms of expression you’re 100% devoid of education or class
But we knew that already”
Here is the same character calling Michaela McCollum a lying knacker –
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/04/11/demonising-michaella/#comment-1596976
Sorry, delete those comments if necessary, since the original is gone.
brilliant
the poison dwarf who calls others out on using the word ‘knacker’ denies that it is a derogatory racist term
you could not make this up
You said it was racist to use it and that those who use that term are 100% devoid of education, but you went on to use it calling Michaela a lying knacker.
And of course it’s derogatory.. I never said otherwise. Learn to read.
Listen, I think you should go away and learn to be a little civilised, you’re lowing the tone of the place. Come back when you decide to behave yourself..k.
Ok sweetie that’s really told me
Good girl
“Soon it will be almost as big as your ass”
Admins.. Can we not get rid of this scumbag? Would The journal have him at all?
But, but you can’t say ‘scumbag’ on the Journal – honestly :-)
Stephen Fry has apologised for his comments:
http://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/statement-on-stephen-frys-comments/#.Vw5z6fkrK1t
“It distresses me greatly to think that I have upset anyone in the course of the TV interview I had with David Rubin the other week. I of course apologise unreservedly for hurting feelings the way I did . That was never my purpose. There are few experiences more terrible, traumatic and horrifying than rape and abuse and if I gave the impression that I belittled those crimes and the effects they have on their victims then I am so so sorry. It seems I must have utterly failed to get across what I was actually trying to say and instead offended and upset people who didn’t deserve to be offended or upset.”
Fair dues