That’s Fighting Talk


Stanley’s Bar, Brooklyn, New York


Anon writes:

I was drinking at Old Stanley’s Bar in Brooklyn, NY, with friends when someone in my group pointed out this sign (above) that was displayed behind the bar.

A debate ensued with another Irish group who were there and I was told that this was the ‘norm’ in NY bars. I spent two Summers living in NY and never saw anything quite like it.

I’d like to hear other Irish people’s opinion on this.

(btw this was not an Irish bar)


75 thoughts on “That’s Fighting Talk

  1. Fully Keen

    I’ve been out of the country too. I’ve seen signs. And anybody that tells you different is talking rubbish.

  2. Kevin Finnerty

    Is this not a piece of ‘memorabilia’ that you see stuck up in pubs (maybe from years ago) as opposed to an actual customer notice sign?

    More upset about the ‘F*ck Moz’ sticker by the way. MOZ 4 EVA!

  3. Jake38

    I would thought we were past the point at which working in a bar was the height of our professional ambitions.

    1. Harry Molloy

      I’m just going to watch a load of American movies then criticise the crap out of them online

  4. John

    That’ll be the new Irish stuff, like St Patty’s Day or White Irish Slaves pre-dating the other slaves stuff that are doing the rounds.

    1. De Kloot

      You could start with the Twin Towers monument in Donadea Forest Park…. That’d get their attention….

  5. Owen

    This is memorabilia, clearly. But it was the case in the past, when 1000s of Irish arrives into NY each year throughout the early – mid 1900s.

    ‘No blacks, no dogs, no Irish’ was not just a UK agenda. The states had a love hate relationship with us. They loved work we did (especially in construction), but hated to have us work with them.

        1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

          This (weirdly) made me think of The Sisters Brothers. Read it if you get a chance. I enjoyed the HECK out of that book.

          1. Janet, I ate my avatar

            Ok top 5 ( because lists)
            Shantaram, Gregory Roberts
            The God of small things, Arundhati Roy
            The bone people, Karime Hulme
            Confessions of a sociopath, M.E Thomas
            The Dice man, George Cockcroft

          2. mildred st. meadowlark

            The Book of Laughter and Forgetting by Milan Kundera
            Chocolat by Joanne Harris
            The Housekeeper + the Professor by Yoko Ogawa
            Persuasion by Jane Austen
            His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman
            Rose Daughter by Robin McKinley

          3. Harry Molloy

            I’ll throw in a few!

            best book I read this year : The Blue Afternoon by William Boyd

            most impressive book : East of Eden

            most interesting : Wild Swans

            best Irish : The Star of the Sea

            most fantastic : Shadow of the Wind

            currently reading : Saigon. its very good

          4. Nigel

            I just finished The Burning Of Bridget Cleary By Angela Bourke and it was really good, particularly on the folklore aspect, and I’ve started The Force by Don Winslow, tough hard-boiled NY cop novel written in addictive intense rhythmic prose.

          5. Janet, I ate my avatar

            Thanks I’ll check it out ! Always on the look out for a good read
            Books in English soooo expensive

          6. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

            The Bone People led to me scoring with a guy one night. He was from New Zealand and he nearly had a heart attack that I knew about Keri Hulme. So if for no other reason than that, it’s worth a read. Also it’s fantastic.

            Shantaram? Shataram. I hated it. Like White Tiger, or as I like to call it “Shite Tiger”

            I’m reading The Essex Serpent at the moment. So far, so super.

          7. Janet, I ate my avatar

            I have fallen in love for less valid reasons than a great book list !
            men who can discuss a good book are hot as balls

          8. Nigel

            The new integrated online ordering service for the Irish libraries is a wonder of the modern world.

  6. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    Top 5?


    A Fine Balance, Rohinton Mistry.
    Darkmans by Nicola Barker
    Portnoy’s Complaint, Philip Roth
    I loved Magician, Silverthorn and whatsit the third one by Raymond E Feist when I was younger. Got me into fantasy bukes.
    The Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson Burnett.

    Best list changes all the time. I think Sebastian Barry came into his own with the new one, Bro Barnabas. I used to think he was a wonderful writer but a brutal storyteller. The new one blasts that theory out of the water.

    1. Nigel

      Loved Feist as a teenager. Have you read NK Jermsin’s Broken World books? Brilliant modern epic fantasy.

        1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

          I have not. I’ll look into them. Thanks! I love a good fantasy book after ploughing through some worthy fiction.

    2. Brother Barnabas

      Ahhhhhhh – I didn’t say Sebastian Barry. He’s related in some way to Joe Duffy, I’d wager.

      (#1 – A Hero of Our Time, Lermontov)

        1. Brother Barnabas

          Honestly, most extraordinary Irish writer in the last 50 years

          Start with Dark Lies the Island

          1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

            I know why I didn’t buy any of his books. His name. He sounds dopey. It is with this cavalier attitude that I choose books to read.

            Short stories? Interesting. I’ll give them a whirl. Dammit: I was in Hodges Figgis yesterday lunchtime. Why didn’t you tell me yesterday morning? Speaking of dopes.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            Couple of novels too – City of Bohane and Beatlebone. I was a teeny bit disappointed with Beatlebone. But he’s the real thing. First contemporary writer I’ve been genuinely excited about in ages. I used to keep an eye for his readings and go along but then he started recognising me, and that made us both a bit uncomfortable.

          3. Janet, I ate my avatar

            off to the book shop tomorrow to treat myself now with those recommendations , excited now
            nice work !

    3. Janet, I ate my avatar

      loved A fine balance !
      yes top 5s defo change all the time
      like every Monday ?! ;)

  7. Nigel

    The Crow Road by Iain Banks is a favourite of mine. Funny, sad, slightly gothic family saga with a sly mystery at the heart of it. One of the best opening lines, too.

    1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      I went through a phase of reading every single one of his books. I think I watched The Crow Road. Did I? Was it televised or am I imagining it? Hmm. Lemme google. Och aye, I did!
      I loved Whit. Such a pity he passed away so young.

      1. Nigel

        The adaptation was excellent and yeah I loved Whit too. I worked in a bookshop when The Business came out. Not his best but he came and did a reading in the shop of the first chapter and it was hysterically funny. Gone too soon.

      1. Janet, I ate my avatar

        We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
        the brand of crazy I grew up with

        1. It Won't Stand Up In Court

          How have you got on since? What do you reckon the final outcome will be for you Janet?

          1. Janet, I ate my avatar

            getting on with being as kind as I can
            but when it’s all over I reckon that’s it
            done and dusted

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      Yup, read it. My folks couldn’t afford the door-to-door suite of encyclopaedias, so read what was in the gaff. Got a lot of geography knowledge and animal husbandry out of it, that’s about all.

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