From top: Professor Patricia Casey and John McGuirk; Mr McGuirk
“These are deeply personal and private matters for women and their families, and such tactics only serve to cause further distress to people who might be receiving difficult news about their pregnancy.”
John McGuirk, spokesman for Savethe8, discussing graphic pro-life posters at a press conference in the Alexander Hotel, Dublin 2 this morning. Mr McGuirk said he believed the group putting up the posters are not Irish.
Save the 8th campaign distances itself from graphic posters outside maternity hospitals (RTÉ)
Meanwhile…
This afternoon
Buswells Hotel, Dublin 2
From left Assistant Professor, University of Texas, Dr Abigail Aiken, Ruth Coppinger TD and Director of Women On Web, Dr Rebecca Gomperts at a media briefing on the use by Irish women and the safety of medical abortion pills.
DrAiken and and Dr Gompert presented research showing that about five Irish women a day now use ‘telemedicine sites’ for medical abortion services
Rollingnews
Meanwhile…
This morning.
Buswells Hotel, Dubl;in 2
Mandate Trade Union General Secretary, John Douglas (3rd) with Judge Catherine McGuinness (centre) at the May Day launch of Yes Repeal the Eighth Referendum Special newspaper.
Available to read here.
Yesterday: Repeal All About It
Rollingnews
Mcguirk is only trying to make himself look more human. I wouldnt be surprised to find out he’s associated with the sign people
thought that too
public pronouncement so that No side look compassionate good guys, but secretly delighted at the attention this is getting
3 more weeks of this… can we go lower?
I really do not need to see lower
it’s low enough
This side of McGuirk jars with his words on Twitter. Or maybe someone has hijacked his twitter feed and he has still not noticed….?!? That man is a thundering bottom orifice.
Don’t you dare insult my thurdering bottom orifice by comparing it to that!
He has neither the depth nor warmth to be a thundering bottom orifice.
I’m astonished McGuirk even has it in his powers to be as conciliatory as he is being right now. Though I’m sure you could power a small town off the amount of spin that’s happening in the Love Boats office right now over this.
The graphic images are hurting the Retain campaign. The LoveBoats and Savethe8th people don’t use them for that very reason. It’s in their interests to have the US or UK group parading them around to go home.
If you see any of those US Antichoice fundraiser pages, they often let slip that they’re going over to work with groups in Ireland. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest to find out that the Love Boats are providing bed and board to the gore porn fetishists while simultaneously wringing their hands about the awfulness of the pictures, but being unable to do anything about it. (insert boo hoo face emoji).
Antis are slim,y 2 faced, scutter spewers like that.
They do have an incredible capacity for misinformation and lies.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/3kjmqk/americans-are-using-facebook-to-meddle-in-irelands-abortion-referendum
Sickening stuff.
Seems like 4 pretty valid reasons to me?
Do they figure going full term, delivering a baby you don’t want and giving it up for adoption is easier?
Also question for you all outside of the pale. Do the NO vote have it? Take a drive down the country, not that many YES poster!
I think they genuinely don’t care enough about the social, physical, financial, mental and emotional toll pregnancies and childbirth mean for women to know about any of it.
It appears that they imagine you just go on with life during pregnancy easily enough and then give birth, all done, no after effects of any kind.
Remember that beer ad where Yummy Mummy was in a room that looked like a health spa, reading Hello magazine, squeaked a couple of times and was handed a baby?
That’s how births are in antichoice land.
Sure William and Kate had breakfast at 9, polo at 10, baby at 11, lunch at 12:30 and home by 3?
Mind you, the hatching of an egg probably requires a bit less time.
I only wish my life was as well ordered as that.
Are the number of posters a reliable indicator of how people will vote?
I really think those 4 reasons will go against a Yes vote for many people and will re-enforce the No for many of those who chose so.
‘Could have been prevented by family planning’ is no doubt the doubt of many… or even the MAP if missed.
Another reason why I’m doubtful of this referendum passing. The ‘Yes’ message is just so mixed.
“Could have been prevented by family planning” would be something the Retainers could argue if they weren’t so anti-family planning and contraception.
To be fair, McGuirk has condemned the graphic posters in the past. However he’s still cheered on by the now more mature members of Youth Defence – all who have form in this type of behaviour.
“My future is static
It’s already had it
I could tuck you in
And we can talk about it
I had a dream
And it split the scene
But I got a hunch
It’s coming back to me” (Sonic Youth – Schizophrenia)
McGuirks condemnation is worth the sum total of sweet fuppall because he’s a liar.
And here’s more evidence
https://twitter.com/anitambyrne/status/991323632046665730?s=19
We are talking about a legal taking of a human foetus baby call it what you like
So graphic horrendous that is exactly what it is
Taking of life is not trivial and people must know exactly what they are voting for
So sorry if this is offensive this is the reality
Well that’s just not true now is it david. Up to 12 weeks we’re talking about a foetus no bigger than a lime and the taking of a pill.
david doesn’t deal with facts, he prefers outlandish claims and no punctuation.
and rape
And nazis. Don’t forget the nazis..
Outlandish claims that a foetus is a live thing?
Sorry about punctuation
Tell me dose a foetus live in the mothers womb ,or suddenly after 9 months it suddenly becomes live so it can be born?
Give me your views on human reproduction and proof of life
As I’ve mentioned before, my daughter was born 10 weeks premature.
She was unable to breathe unassisted, her heart had a hole in it, and both her heart and lungs routinely stopped with no warning. She had no instinct to suckle, to feed in any way, and was tube fed directly into her stomach. She had no immune system at all, and as a result was kept on an almost continuous drip of antibiotics and medicine, among other difficulties. Her iron was limited, which meant regular blood transfusions. We didn’t get hold her for close to a week because her skin was too sensitive to be touched. Shall I go on?
At 30 weeks, my daughter was unprepared for life outside of my body and would certainly have died were it not for medical intervention. It took 8 weeks of care before she was ready to come home. The majority of the most crucial development – the development essential for life outside of the womb occurs in the last 4-5 weeks.
There may be potential for life in a foetus, but without its mother it will die. These are facts. Not just mere opinion.
My God that must have been a nightmare, Mildred.
The stress of that, Mildred! I hope your daughter is a strong and healthy wee girl now!
Thanks guys x
Size dose not matter its a foetus that would develop to a baby
We are talking life
Size definitely matters honey, I have a PhD in the subject.
What’s not true is that these pictures are the reality of abortion in Ireland post repeal. With a pill being readily available most abortions will happen long before 12 weeks.
You’re OK with abortion in the case of rape. Is that not life? Is that life worth less than non-rape life? You can’t be a little bit in favour of abortion any more than you can be a little bit pregnant.
Do you think women should be stopped from going to England for abortions, David?
What do you suggest that they do when they REALLY don’t want to have a baby?
Don’t bother. Any time he’s confronted with a valid point he ignores it and continues onto another thread comment where he can vent his spleen against women in peace.
It’s for myself rather than him, really. I gets FIERCE worked up.
ps I know it’s late but *hugs* for the stress when BabyMilly was born. Cripes.
now david we have already been over this. Would you want to be kept on a ‘life’ support machine indefinitely?
Graphic, horrendous and offensive is fine except when it’s a badge pinned to Jesus, then we have a day of screeching from David about blasphemy.
Imagine his outrage if the Repealers followed the Retain mob’s lead and printed giant autopsy pictures of women killed by the 8th.
He’d be so outraged he’d continually spell the name of the woman wrong while lying over again that he gives the merest crap about women’s health.
Dublin’s finest chimes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vqnLgnk8M
Who is this clown and where does his American accent come from? 5 signs you are a regressive liberal? Yes dear. How about: 5 signs you are so far up yourself as to never see daylight.
His name is Dave Cullen and I would guess he’s from Dublin. He’s no clown. He’s very good at what he does and his channel is pretty popular. He’s concise and crystal clear on issues that frustrate and torment most people – that’s to say, he’s well able to put things into perspective.
Reactionary north American rich kid campus culture? Really?
Swivel.
No indication of intelligent life there. At least he seems to be capable of reading aloud. You have to give him that.
I suppose you watched the full 16mins then….
Yes. I did. When he finally stopped reading aloud, he changed to full-on playground brat mode as he read the text from some of the Yes campaign posters in a whiney voice. Later, we were treated to several strawman arguments, many of which centred on his assertions that the Yes campaign posters relied on strawman arguments.
The man is a boring, self-obsessed tool.
It’s a bit like when you search for a particular singing performance on YouTube only to find ten ‘influencers’ chopping it up with themselves commenting for no other reason than self promotion which is particularly annoying when it is a fake American accent.
He’s got a shallow understanding of how stupid some of the things pro-death campaigns are saying but he doesn’t seem to be aware or willing to comment on the stupidity on the anti-choice side.
It s not a simple one or the other, both sides can be (more than a little) wrong.
Those ROSA posters aren’t any good at all though. We can at least agree that much right?
The need for better childcare too, bigger picture right?
The Liberal ‘Yes” clique hate facts, particularly those facts that undermine their carefully constructed image of fashionable victimhood.
Yet thanks to the facts from the scientific and medical studies presented in this video we can now see that abortion not only destroys a human life but carries significant risks – physical and psychological – for the women who have them.
That’s two real victims for the price of one. That’s the opposite of ‘healthcare’.
The liberal narcissists won’t care: it’s their own selfish victimhood that is important. So they will shriek ‘LIAR!’, ‘FOOL!’, ‘EVIL!’ in an act of monumental collective projection designed to obscure the very foolish lies necessary from them to promote this evil.
you’re on the wrong side of history, deal with it.
John McGuirk
Seriously
Is there a bigger gob rhymes with fright on the island?
Christ
He has enough bluster and self importance in himself to fertilize the Phoenix Park
Like does anyone even like him?
Ganley does. Ganley employs him to do his PR (which is why Ganley’s image is a joke!).
His linkedin profile lists English as his acomplishment. He speaks it to some extent, I suppose.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-mcguirk-57426011b/
Good troll…have a biscuit
Bit rich coming from you no?
Not sure I’m a troll. For one, I’m just playing devil’s advocate in an echo-chamber. For two, I didn’t go to somebody’s linked-in page, which is what people do when doxing.
I sincerely doubt you’re just playing devil’s advocate. That said, I’d rarely go out and label anyone a troll. It’s very hard to understand what informs people’s opinions, especially online.
Fwiw, I don’t think Daisy is a troll. Her position on abortion, and other issues, have always been pretty well established.
I should also add I don’t really think you’re a troll either. I certainly prefer your reasoned arguments over the hysteria of, say, Sentient Won for example.
Devil’s advocate is the laziest position anyone can take. It’s privilege at its worst, the refuge of intellectual black holes.
Playing devil’s advocate is, basically, outside its official role in the process of canonisation, trolling.
What absolute nonsense.
There’s a difference between devil’s advocate which is a necessary element in knowing wtf you are talking about and trolling.
Trolling is saying something that you know will get a reaction purely to get that reaction . Devil’s advocate is taking an opposing view to challenge assumptions (something people are very keen to do when it suits them).
As an example, trolling would be saying that those pro choicers in the pictures are never going to need an abortion because theyre all bet down
Devil’s advocate would be pointing out that there isn’t a single person that the referendum will affect personally in any of those pictures and this is an accusation that was thrown at one side in particular ad nauseum.
So cop on Starina with your nonsense.
I’ll accept that. There is validity to being Devil’s Advocate. The only problem is that 99% of people who claim they are being Devil’s Advocate are just trying to cover up for being a dick and getting called out for being a dick.
Not saying that is or isn’t the case here, just my experience.
Well put, listrade, kudos.
Ha. That’s very true, Listrade. Retroactively trying to justify being a douche.
Abortion is a multi reason thing and the 8th in in the way of all those reasons.
We had to travel after a 20 week diagnosis of 3mins of painful struggling for breath and then death after birth.
The most planned and wanted pregnancy. We spent years and a lot of our savings on IVF. We married late and I had issues so had to go IVF.
The experience has filled me with anger and made the worst moments of my life even worse. We have no religion and have no interest in imposing our moral values on others but theirs were imposed on us and has left me filed with anger and still having panic attacks 3 years later.
That week trying to organise travel and appointments was the worst of my life. If we could have had support in our own country and not have to travel like a unwanted almost criminal it would have still been the worst week but it would have been how it should have been. Dealing with the pain and anguish rather than dealing with the organisation and isolation that this law creates.
Nothing I say will change anything I know but this is the first time I’ve ‘publicly’ talked about this. Someboby is going through what we went through this week. My heart breaks for them.
Thank you very much for this.
I’m sorry that you had to go through that. And I hope that enough people vote yes on the 25th and that nobody else will have that additional pain and suffering. And possibly someone will read your post and it will help change their mind.
Thank you for sharing.
+1
so sorry to read this, H. hope things are better for you both now
I have no words. Heartbreaking, thank you for sharing, I can’t imagine what you went through.
Bodger: Is there a way to make this the first post. It needs to be above all other comments.
Major +1
Listrade, If Heartbroken is willing we’d like to make it a post.
A heartbreaking comment to read. I can’t imagine the pain of a loss like that. I’m so sorry. x
It’s horrible that you had to go through this. It’s also distressing that you and many others like Mildred and Andyourpointiswhatexactly feel it necessary to rip their hearts open to describe their experiences in order to demonstrate what a horrible, cruel and dysfunctional thing the 8th is, but I am grateful for and humbled by your courage in doing so.
well said, nigel
Thank you for sharing. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Thank you for sharing, I wish you so much healing and happiness.
I’m so sorry. I hope the country votes to make sure this never happens to any of our citizens again.
Those scumbags (Irish Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform) have said they will target the same maternity hospitals again today.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anti-abortion-group-targets-hospitals-with-extreme-imagery-1.3480553
In the RTE news item
McGuirk said:
“It is a bit rich for Together for Yes, which has posters around the country saying
‘Yes for compassion, Yes for care, Yes for kittens, Yes for puppies’,
More fake news!, definitely no kittens or puppies being voted on
Sorry what? Is this reality? And why does McGuirk hate animals if so