‘One Protester Claimed To Have Booked 1,312 Tickets’

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Pope Francis

Kate O’Neill, in The Times Ireland edition, reports:

Thousands of tickets for the papal visit in August have been snapped up by protesters aiming to ensure low attendance by not showing up to the event.

The Say Nope to The Pope group is encouraging people who object to the Pope’s visit to Ireland in August to book tickets online, which are available free of charge.

One protester claimed to have booked 1,312 tickets to the events, which may now go unused.

“You can book as many times as you like on the same email address. I’ve booked 12 (9 times) so 108 tickets! They all have different booking references so they are definitely working,” the Facebook user wrote.

In a later update the same user said: “Even better!! I’m now booking in coaches (max is 8 coaches with 82 passengers on each total of 656 “pilgrims”) so I’ve googled a random name of a parish, a random name of a coach company, made up the drivers’ name and number, etc, and I’ve already booked two of these bookings, so a total of 1,312 people. Do this instead of the individual bookings!”

Protesters grab Pope tickets . . . to bin them (Kate O’Neill, The Times Ireland edition)

Say Nope To The Pope (Facebook)

Previously: ‘Expect Very Vocal Protests From Victims Who Won’t Be Silenced Any More’

198 thoughts on “‘One Protester Claimed To Have Booked 1,312 Tickets’

  1. SOQ

    Since when did Ireland become a fascist state where religious gatherings are illegal?

    Absolute morans.

    1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

      I think it’s more of a civil protest vibe
      checked out the FB account
      they seem to stress an onus on keeping comments clean etc

      1. SOQ

        They are trying to prevent people from practicing their religion Janet.

        Completely unacceptable.

          1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

            I guess I saw it as a more peaceful way to protest than being there and upsetting the faithfuls day, many of whom are elderly and deserve particulal respect

        1. mildred st meadowlark

          I have to agree.

          Protest it, sure, or don’t attend, but this is wilfully stopping people from attending a religious event in their own country.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            millie, seriously?

            mischievously hogging tickets to disrupt an event = “a fascist state where religious gatherings are illegal” + “prevent[ing] people from practicing their religion” ???

          2. mildred st meadowlark

            Call me kidnapped BB.

            I have my issues with the church and it’s head honcho, but I’m not necessarily sure I feel comfortable with people stopping those who are devout in their faith from attending an event like this, whether through protest or for shiz and giggles.

            I don’t know if I’d go so far as to claim fascism, but it certainly doesn’t seem right to me. Each to their own and all that

          3. Brother Barnabas

            well the CC – or it’s devout followers – has never had any qualms about obstructing others in how they want to live their lives or what they want to get up to

            so I say fupp them if they don’t like it

          4. mildred st meadowlark

            That’s a fair point I suppose, and certainly understandable, but I’d like to be able to say that we’re better, or above this kind of thing.

            I mean the CC have earned the anger of many in this country, and perhaps the church does deserve to feel the anger, but I’m not sure this is the best way to go about it. However, it’s only my opinion, and there are plenty with a far greater right to be angry and protest than me.

          5. SOQ

            But BB thier whole objective is to prevent people from going. Old people, sick people, those of faith. What gives them the right to force thier opinions onto others in such a manner?

            I hope they are tracked and prosecuted, genuinely. Let’s have a good look at these warriors coming out of a court room.

          6. Clampers Outside!

            Well said SOQ.

            This is literally taking ‘hope’ from people. These gross fupps will think they are ‘better than’ those who wish to attend, when clearly this action shows they are lower than pond scum. … gives me the creeps this so called “protest” :/

          7. johhny

            what about the young fella’s in wheelchairs or the ‘wheelies’ from west belfast,will it be wheelchair friendly :)

          8. Nigel

            The worse you can say about it is that it seems mean-spirited the rest seem over the top.

        2. malcom

          I am not a catholic and will not go but saying that ,there is an element of blind hatred and with blinds hatred some Nutter might just try and do what the Turk did on a previous pope
          Many thousands of Catholics will have their day marred from the protests
          This mass at the phoenix park is just that and no place to disrupt.
          My fear is a group of thugs wanting to make their name will disrupt what intentionally is a rather illthought out knee jerk peaceful protest much like the jobstown lark
          A better method is for people to demand government seek and get all the money owed by these religious orders .

  2. Janet, I ate my Avatar

    peaceful civic protest,
    checked out the FB acc. and they have a stress on an onus of keeping it clean in the comments etc.

  3. The Real Shrimply Pibbles

    It’ll be a miracle if they get to keep all those tickets. I imagine their system Is infallible.

  4. James M. Chimney

    Won’t someone think of the grannies? If you don’t wanna go, don’t go. Why would you hinder someone else from going?

    Full disclosure I’ve recently bought an Ice cream van and was going to make a killing with my Papal Pops in the park! Followed by a sing-a-long in the Breffini.

    1. postmanpat

      The hackers don’t want to go but also want to cause disruption as partial revenge for the church collusion with the Nazis during the war and collusion with the fascists in the Spanish Civil War right before that, and the child raping that used to go on here and still goes on in the developing world by clergy of the catholic church. Its not all in the past, it is happening right now. right this very minute, But hay? its brown and black kids so not to worry right? Plonk the silly auld ones in front of a big TV instead in August , they don’t know where they are half the time anyway.

        1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

          Did you know an English man invented banoffi at a restaurant called The hungry monk in Sussex

          1. Papi

            Is it banofee or banoffi? Banana toffee would suggest banoffee, but I have been and will be again, oftimes wrong.

          2. Rob_G

            I will to this restaurant in advance and order all of the banoffee/banoffi so that there is none left.

            I have no intention of eating any of it; I just want to deny the enjoyment of it to some people whose views that I don’t agree with.

      1. bisted

        …@Janet…I think you are mixing up bake off with rake off…stint in Frilly’s kitchen as plongeur for you…

        1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

          Have you any idea how many utensils she uses to make one try of biscuits !!!!

  5. Gillo

    Live and and let live, if they don’t want to go then don’t go but deliberately blocking others from going is just a d*ck move

  6. Frill the 8th

    Ah FFS

    Just ignore the event
    a way better form of protest

    This Facebook campaign is only telling them that they actually matter
    And giving substance to their court actions to get the Referendum result of returned on grounds that there were bogus voters

    I got tickets and am going
    But only so I can wear a repeal Geansaí one more time
    But with ‘ed tippexed on to it

    I might even bring a deck chair and a few drinkies
    And try and start a Singsong

    Champion ‘own aies Champie ‘own aies

    1. scottser

      they’ll be decades said for you frilly. and remember to bring a towel cos you’ll be soaked with holy water.

        1. Cian

          Do you have a white Repeal t-shirt you could be wearing – instead of a big ol’ heavy gansai?

          1. mildred st meadowlark

            That’s a relief. I was worried you’d been kidnapped for a minute there.

  7. Termagant

    If people did the same thing for, say, Star Wars XII: Star Warser, would you think to yourself “ha ha, fupping savage mate, absolute genius” or would you think “what a bunch of pathetic weiners”

    Something to think about

    1. Not On Your Nelly

      They would have paid for those tickets, with money. So that would be different. And it gets shown more then once.

      1. paul

        also Star Wars doesn’t have strong associations with institutionalised slavery, child abuse and rape.

        (Leia in the metal bikini doesn’t count).

        1. Termagant

          But you’re not attacking the institution of the Catholic church, you’re attacking the people who practice Catholicism as a faith. I think it’s fair to speculate that 99% of the people who might miss out on tickets due to this edgy stunt have never raped any children whatsoever.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            If you practice catholicism aren’t you supporting the institution who, in Ireland alone, have raped children, enslaved them for profit, sold them for profit, kept women as slaves in laundries and allowed them to be raped while under their care and who refuse to pay reparations to their many thousands of victims.

            Why would you support that kind of organisation? Would you buy Coca Cola or Kellogs Cornflakes if their parent organisations were involved in slavery, pimping, paedophilia and child trafficking?

          2. Rob_G

            Not really; people tend not to pick religions, they tend to be born into them by default. So it’s not that people chose to join an organisation responsible for all of these evil things; it’s that they were brought up thinking that this was the right way to go.

            Look at this way; the Irish state was also complicit in all of the crimes that you have listed, either by omission or by design. Would you also say:

            “If you [idenfity as an Irish person], aren’t you supporting the institution who… have raped children, enslaved them for profit, sold them for profit, kept women as slaves in laundries and allowed them to be raped while under their care and who refuse to pay reparations to their many thousands of victims.”

            – as people we are subject to cognitive dissonance; it is possible to identify as part of a group, but to also be horrified by some of the actions that said group is responsible for.

          3. Cian

            “people tend not to pick religions, they tend to be born into them by default.”
            true;
            But many are leaving the church that they were, ahem, conscripted into. If you choose to remain in the Church you bear some responsibility.

            if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas!

          4. Cian

            @Daisy: “You can stop being catholic.”
            You can choose not to attend, but *they* still will count you as a member. You can’t leave the Catholic Church (in Ireland)

          5. Rob_G

            Of course you can; move to another country, become a citizen there.

            If I recall correctly, you work in some capacity for the Irish state; how do you square that with all the things that you just listed?

          6. Rob_G

            @ Cian; a good point, but if people have been indocrinated from infancy that they are going to burn in hell for eternity if they leave, can you really say that they are making a conscious decision to remain a member of the RC church of their own free will?

          7. Cian

            @Rob_G
            These same people have been indocrinated from infancy that they are going to burn in hell for eternity if they blaspheme, rape, use contraception, get divorced, boil a goat in it’s mother’s milk, self-pleasure, have sex-outside-marriage, etc, etc, .. and yet make decisions to do all these? So why is leaving any different.

            “Let he who has not sinned be excused from not leaving the catholic church” – John 69

          8. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Isn’t the only way to leave to be excommunicated? You can’t choose to. They won’t let go.
            I am certainly well able not to be Irish, particularly when I adopt my flawless Sith Ofricin accent.

          9. Brother Barnabas

            i think excommunication just means you’re on the bold step – you’re still a member

  8. Bruncvik

    My wife and I wanted to go see the Pope in Phoenix Park, but we weren’t sure we could make it, so we decided against booking tickets. That way, someone else who wanted to go see him could get the chance. I have zero respect for these childish tools who are depriving others of their choices.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      because as a (presumably) devout catholic, you would have no time or respect for anyone who’d seek to “deprive others of their choices”?

      1. Rob_G

        Why would you presume that (i) they are devout Catholics (lots of people of varying degrees of faith might just want a day out), and (ii) if they are Catholic, that they would be into ‘depriving others of their choices’?

        – in terms of sheer numbers, many many thousands of people who voted to Repeal and for the marriage equality referendum must have been people who identified as Catholic.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          if you’re in need of a day out, go to glendalough or tayto park

          the CC’s power in irish society stems from events like this and the numbers that attend it. if you attend, you’re part of the problem.

          ensuring this event is a damp farce, which i hope it will be, is a very legitimate act by those that object to the continued role of the CC in irish education, healthcare and politics

          1. Rob_G

            So people should only be allowed to enjoy things that you agree with – good man.

            This lame and juvenile protest is unlikely to impact the church hierarchy very much, but is likely to disappoint a great many people whose who have done nothing other than hold views that you find objectionable.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            no – i don’t actually think it will have any effect. they’re crafty enough to figure a way around it, i’m sure

            my point is only that it’s a legitimate protest for those that want to do it. i couldn’t be bothered, personally.

          3. Nullzero

            What a narcissistic little cretin.
            You agree therefore it’s permissible.
            I have no time for the church but I’m beginning to have less time for the “liberals” who are beginning to replace them. We don’t need another caste of superiority complex weilding morons such as yourself informing public opinion. Let people choose what they want to do ffs.

          4. Nigel

            The annoying pranksters who block-book free tickets are just as bad as the people who covered up child rape!

          5. Cian

            @Nigel; no, the pranksters are *worse*. literarily[1] Hitler.

            [1] like, not, literally literally,

      2. Bruncvik

        We’re not devout Catholics. Luke-warm at best. I just feel that what people are doing in this case is immature, and further bragging about it is childish. I don’t have any respect in general for presumably adult people acting like children.

  9. Rob_G

    That’s quite pathetic.

    Though that organisers should have maybe obliged the people booking to supply a credit card number or something.

        1. Cian

          Voluntary Donation
          Attendance at this event is entirely free of charge. However, at the end of your ticket booking, you will be given the opportunity to make a voluntary donation to World Meeting of Families 2018 to help cover costs. This is entirely optional and your tickets are not, in any way, dependent on receipt of a voluntary donation.

  10. Always Wright

    I booked six tickets for the Phoenix park and I definitely won’t be going. Nothing matters as much as numbers to the Catholic church, and I want them to be faced with a high non-attendance rate. I suppose I could go and protest, unfurl a banner, sing a catchy protest song, but they’d still count me as a faithful Catholic who couldn’t get enough of that religion shizzle. Empty seats, unused tickets, muted responses, that’s what will really sting them. I’d be delighted if it looks similar to the sparse attendance at Trumps inauguration.

    1. Rob_G

      You have quite possibly prevented six ordinary, decent people from having a nice day out that they would always remember fondly – aren’t you great, now.

        1. Rob_G

          I can guaruntee that you know at least 10 people who you would regard as being kind and decent whom identify as RC. It kind of seems like you are trying to justify the mean-spirited position you have adopted towards people from a certain group.

          1. Always Wright

            There are still tickets available. I haven’t prevented anybody from doing anything.

          2. Rob_G

            What was the point in your booking them, so? If the event books out, you will be preventing six people from attending.

          3. Always Wright

            I booked six tickets. I get to decide what I do with them. You’re free to book tickets and decide what to do with them too. It’s actually that simple.

          4. Rob_G

            You are entitled to decide what you like, of course, but if your decision negatively impacts some random people, I am entitled to decide for myself that such a decision is a bit petty.

          5. Always Wright

            I work in a sector where the dirty old church has had a foul influence for a very long time and continues to have pernicious influence. My life and my employment have been negatively impacted by the church. I will sleep soundly if my actions have, as an unintended consequence, a negative impact on some of its unthinking followers.

          6. Rob_G

            See, I think that the issue that I have with it is, rather than negatively impacting some scheming bishop who is actively interfering in civil society, your decision is more likely to affect some doddery old lady who would never dream of doing anything to upset you. Seems kind of churlish and selfish – well, I’ve said my piece, do what you think is best.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        You can’t be decent if you support an organisation rife with rapists, slavers and pimps.

        1. rotide

          You do realise that ordinary irish people allowed the church to do the things it did. You should start blaming your own grandparents and parents as much as you blame the church,.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            Of course they did Rotide, of course they did. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

            For someone who claims to be “not catholic” you have quite the hardon for defending them.

          2. Cian

            rotide: ” You should start blaming your own grandparents and parents as much as you blame the church”
            Then this ticket-booking scheme is actually the perfect comeuppance: it will be the aul-ones that are affected by this – not the pope – win/win.

        2. Rob_G

          As per the point above – what if you were indocrinated from a very young age that your only option was to support this organisation?

          Not everything is as black and white as you make it out to be.

          1. Cian

            @Rob_G; the catholics are big into “free will” – so they have to man up to the other side of it.

          2. Janet, I ate my Avatar

            I think there is something to be said for not expecting the older generation to be able to do the same

    2. SOQ

      And what about those you are preventing from attending? Don’t they matter? The church done it in the past so that’s ok is it?

      Actually no, it makes you no better than them, worse in fact. People reduced to disposable fodder in your stupid little protest.

      1. Brother Barnabas

        how about looking at it this way, SOQ – this event will cause huge congestion all around the phoenix park, obstructing many good, decent people who were hoping to visit the zoo that day. so by preventing 6 people attending the pope thing, 6 more people will be able to go to the zoo

        surely that’s a good thing. and jesus likes good things.

        1. Rob_G

          By the same logic, we should ban gay pride becuase people might not be able to get into Marks and Sparks.

          1. Rob_G

            Well, that isn’t really the point, but I am sure that you appreciate that it shows up your very weak argument all the same.

      2. Nigel

        All things considered the bar for being worse than the church is getting set dizzyingly low.

  11. bisted

    …hah…the internet bites back…at least Sarah Shakedown got the money for Croke Park…they’ll be able to call it ‘The Magdalene Effect’…

      1. Nigel

        SOQ I value your opinion and respect your vehemence here without especially agreeing with it but feck the alt right they will go on about anything while casually and openly doing worse.

        1. SOQ

          I used the word ‘bleat’ Nigel. The alt Right love to play the freedom card but in this case, there would be some truth in it.

  12. Fridge

    I’ve booked tickets and hope to go with my wife and son. I was talking to a priest over the weekend, a close family friend, and he was telling me about the Nope movement. Obviously he felt it was OTT and I agree.
    That said it’s not surprising given the anger in the country regarding the church.
    I do feel that it’s a slightly devious and sly way of protesting but hopefully it won’t deny too many people access to the Mass.

  13. Stephen C

    I assume all these people are going to object to the blanchardstown super mosque also ?

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      Why? Did the Muslim leadership in Ireland lock women up, sell their babies, rape their children, and profit from their slavery?

  14. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    Do you know what I think might be the possible down side? If the numbers are poor, they’ll blame this. If people hadn’t bothered protesting in this way and the numbers were STILL poor, then it would be proof of the lack of power the CC has in Ireland these days.

  15. CoderNerd

    Trade them back the tickets for the files on illegal adoptions and child abuse they have safely under lock and key and away from the prying eyes of their victims.

  16. Daisy Chainsaw

    Has anyone tried booking tix today? It’s nowhere near capacity so if you want to queue for 7 hours in and out for a mass with the rest of the hypocrites, book away. Nobody’s taking your ticket from you!

    Big fuss over nothing, but when its only half full, a facebook group will, handily enough, be held responsible for it.

    1. Cian

      Anyone know how many tickets there are?

      or will they just keep issuing tickets and use it to gauge how many fields need to be used/portaloos need to be booked.

    2. rotide

      Daisy, You’re the hyprocrite here. Right to choose eh? as long as its a choice you agree with. Idiot.

      1. Starina

        Nobody is saying people can’t choose to attend. Some people are choosing to protest various activities of the RCC, one of which is the inability to excommunicate themselves because the RCC doesn’t want t lose official numbers.

        Outrage rotide is here!

        1. Cian

          Technically “Apostasy” is a formal act of leaving the Church.
          “Excommunication” prevents you from taking communion, but you’re still a Catholic

        2. rotide

          People are more than welcome to protest the church. Get out to the event and wave banners and sing koombayah or whaever you want to do.

          Sitting on your hole, pressing submit and thereby deliberately trying to supress others happiness is nothing but a childish, dick move

          1. Brother Barnabas

            why would someone protesting the church sing a song that appeals for the lord’s intervention and guidance ?

            are you just talking out of your hole today, rotide?

          2. Yep

            Because the church has strayed from the message of love Christ tried to spread. It’s bit that crazy really

          3. scottser

            Sitting on your bottom area, pressing submit and thereby deliberately trying to supress others happiness is nothing but a childish, male appendage move

            isn’t that what you do though?

      2. Daisy Chainsaw

        People can choose to go to the Phoenix park, I’m not stopping them and neither is a trivial facebook group.

    3. rotide

      The entire point of the facebook group is to ensure the event is half full and deprive completely innocent people the chance to practice their beliefs.

      The fact you support this shows your utter and complete hypocrisy. The fact that this protest probably won’t works shows that luckily, there isn’t enough demented morons like yourself to make a difference.

      1. Cian

        rotide – nobody is depriving people the chance to “practice their beliefs”;
        There are churches in every parish (ha!) of the country where they can practice their beliefs.

        This is about going to see a pope.

        1. rotide

          It’s about going to see the pope celebrate mass. It’s a CLEAR attempt to prevent people from practicing their beliefs. If someone did the same for some visiting Iman there would be absolute murder.

          1. Cian

            rotide – are you saying that the Muslims would resort to violence, nay murder, if they found out that someone was doing this?

            You are a bigot!

  17. Jeffrey

    The organizers will spot those and correct im sure – same email address is used so it wont be too hard to verify.

  18. Cian

    Does anyone actually have tickets? or just ‘register’ them. The site says:

    You will not receive your ticket immediately after you register. Tickets will be sent closer to the event by email in the form of a ‘print at home’ ticket. This will include travel information, along with details of how to get to your appointed section at the event. When you receive your ticket for the event, it will include the information on your route to the Phoenix Park and the gate you must enter and exit.

    So yer man with the “1,312 tickets” all registered to a single email address may end up with no tickets at all and need to get one from an honest tout!

  19. rotide

    Not only is this completely infantile in the extreme, it’s downright nasty to people that have done nothing whatsoever to these idiot ‘progressives’ that are organising the event.

    I can pretty much guarentee that a month ago these morons were out waving ‘RIGHT TO CHOOSE’ placards and competely fail to see the irony of it like one-track-mind Daisy above.

    Talk about sinking to levels, jesus, imagine someone tried to do this with pride or abortion clincs and the absolute poostorm that would follow.

      1. Starina

        Also, Pride is a protest march itself, and isn’t ticketed, because it’s open to all. That’s the whole point, which you don’t seem to have understood. If somebody DID try to ticket it, I would hope that people *would* buy up tickets in protest.

        1. Rob_G

          This event is open to all. I imagine the registering for a ticket business is for health and safety; the event will be so big that they need to make sure that there are enough buses and portaloos to cater to the (probably) elderly demographic that are attending the event.

          Yep, people booking up all the tickets will really be teaching all those grannies and grandads a lesson, that’s for sure…

          1. Cian

            this. I can’t see them putting an upper limit on Phoenix park tickets.
            They _might_ have too many loos if there are a lot of ‘no-shows’

  20. Cian

    Anyway – yiz are getting you knickers in a twist. There were 1,250,000 people in the Phoenix park last time.
    They could release 1,500,000 tickets this time, and even with idiots pre-booking 1000 tickets – it won’t make a slight difference. Everyone that wants to go will get a ticket.

  21. Junkface

    Live and let live. If people are dumb enough to follow a religion from the end of the Bronze age, that is a complete fantasy and morally problematic in the modern age, then let them.

      1. scottser

        will there be ‘phoenix park girl’ this year? will johnny keenan tweet live from the park? is it still six euro for a heineken?

  22. Frilly Keane

    C’mere
    Ye took this ta’ 150 + posts
    And tis still climbing

    Has there been a more boring, useless waste of time ever on Broadsheet

    Cop on
    Far better threads going here today
    Than this load of oul’ poo

    1. Cian

      I dunno – I think a post that mixed the pope’s visit, the abortion referendum, and the Irish language could actually break Broadsheet.

      1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

        + cyclists that look like Ireland getting knocked over by the HOT WHEELS

    2. Janet, I ate my Avatar

      @ frills
      you don’t happen to be talking about the GAA thread by any chance ? ;)

      1. Frilly Keane

        Nothing but GAA here t’day J
        Between FF Mooney robbing the Tyrone crowd of a bitta fair dues for getting Fermanagh girls to the Ulster final
        Ta former Tipp Hurler and Secretary of the Tipp Co board Lowry getting hit up for a bitta petty cash
        Even Dublin Hurlers had one’ah there own mentioned

        Interesting fact about Michael Lowry
        He was the buck that brought Féile ta Semple

  23. ruairi

    wow ! well this is a hot topic, fast and furious- same arguments pope done bad, but why punish people who want to see him. When you are on the inside looking out, it doesnt seem so bad, but if you are on the inside looking in you see things in a differnt light. the pope promised to meet with magdelan survivors three years ago, he hasnt.
    the church which the pope heads up have systematically sown up their assets, put them out of reach so they dont have to pay the money they promised to. Many of their victims were of their flock, victims who were forced into the churches care, the church has let them down massively, by their actions they show us clearly – assets like land are more important to them than their flock, they operate like a corporation not a charity, they do not practice what they preach, and when left unchallenged they will rape, rob, abuse, murder, enslave and cover it up.Many documents burned which holds the information stolen babies deserve about their past. This peaceful action is a tiny backlash, of what the church deserves, if you support the catholic church you are complicit in their crimes, if you are loyal to the church work to change it if you care about it, other wise tell its head, all of his enforcers who are not actively trying to put right what they and their colleagues have done wrong.

  24. Huey Luas on the News

    This practice of booking tickets to prevent others from following their religion of choosing by attending an event is just wrong.

    If you have a problem with the Pope and the Catholic Church then at least have the cojones to turn up at Knock and Dublin and protest.

    Can you imagine if a group of anti-Irish Times activists went around shop door fronts every morning at 5 AM and binned the bundled copies outside before they could be sold? (Not a bad idea actually)

    1. belgravy

      people don’t really choose to be Catholic they are indoctrinated from birth. and cannot leave, and in each part of Irish society are kept in

    1. Rob_G

      The state will pay for it. Same as if Leo went to visit the Vatican, they would foot the bill.

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