Looking forward to giving my presentation to Meath County Council now regarding a Presidential nomination. Still no contact from #RTE one week since I announced my intention to run. Thanks to everyone for your continued support #EndCorruptionNow
— Gemma O’Doherty (@gemmaod1) August 27, 2018
O’Doherty says corruption has been allowed to thrive and it’s now rampant and widespread. “I see an awful lot of abuse of public money happening” #Áras18
— Sean Defoe (@SeanDefoe) August 27, 2018
O’Doherty says: “I would like to send a message to all vulnerable citizens that the president will do all possible in her power to ensure government is held to account” #Áras18
— Sean Defoe (@SeanDefoe) August 27, 2018
O’Doherty asked about vaccines:
“My views on vaccinations and other issues have been completely taken out of context. I am not anti-vaccination. However I know there are some children who have come home from getting the shot and feel very unwell” #Áras18
— Sean Defoe (@SeanDefoe) August 27, 2018
“My job as a journalist is to ask is it safe. That’s my position, question everything” #Áras18
— Sean Defoe (@SeanDefoe) August 27, 2018
This afternoon.
Meath County Council, Navan County Meath
Gemma O’Doherty, among a number of Presidential hopefuls making their pitches to three local councils.
More as we get it.
Earlier: Jimmy!
Previously: Dehumanise
The Russians have influenced her…..
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/russian-trolls-spread-vaccine-misinformation-on-twitter
Pesky Russians!
https://mobile.twitter.com/drg1985/status/1033663474847674368
This “just asking questions” nonsense is ridiculous anti-vaxx dog whistling. Goop use it for their woo peddling bullpoo too.
“Goop use it for their woo peddling bullpoo too.”
I’d love to know what you actually said here.
The website The Goop (gwyneth paltrow owned) sell “alternative remedies” (woo peddling), and are fond of “asking questions” when it comes to vaccine safety. As opposed to say, looking up best practice guides and basic real info on them.
Thanks, pedeyw. I assumed that there was some bad language which Bodger had “cleaned up” in his own unique way.
Yes – that was it, and yes – Bodger probably did have to do an edit on my little rant. I like the rhyming version more though. Sorry Broadsheet!
What’s this gonna cost us?
Great interview by Gemma in the SBP. Er….
“will do everything in her power to hold the government to account” So… nothing then. She’d barely be able to make a speech without having it approved by the government if elected.
I sense a repeat of 7 years ago when out of all the nominees, only Michael D knew what the role of the president actually was.
You obviously didn’t read the bit about her wanting the role to be aspirational. It’s called using your imagination and pushing the boundaries of what something could be… not that you would even understand that concept. I can only imagine how the Social circle you foist yourself upon raises their eyes to heaven every time you turn up because they see you as the condescending one that thinks your the smartest person in the room who will force your latest copy and paste opinion down other people’s throats. I often wonder who the clowns in this country are that are responsible for electing the cyrrent crowd of incompetent political pigs are. Seems your one of them. I pity you really.
A salary of 325 grand plus expenses a free house staffed plus a government jet
In all fairness a package costing us millions
Lets just get rid of the office and lets face it who is she what has she contributed to our country ?
And her position is just to sign into law what she is told
Her position is not to hold government to account as president so already she is telling porkies
Id love to comment on this but the last time I criticized Gemma, Bodger banned my account.
Rebus, that’s untrue.
Maybe bodger you should call for the presidents job to be given to Catherine Corless
A woman who has proven to stand there and fight for justice for what she has done regarding Tuam
Highlighted one of the worst crimes against our people, her determination and her courage has shown how great an Irish person can be .
I would say if she was called apon and ran for office she would win and the only one deserving the honour .
She truly deserves the role
The rest of the field will only ensure Micky Dee wins a second term, for what have they actually done for those who have no voice or for their country?
…metoo…and with Colm O’Gorman…
Now Bisto
Were ya acting de boo boo
You too Rebus
I’d like to see Gemma as president, she is the most anti establishment candidate by a long shot. I know she wouldn’t have much power but at least she would give a voice to the public discontent. Who knows, maybe that in turn would inspire others to mobilise. It certainly would do no harm.
Having the president “just asking questions” about the HPV vaccine can absolutely do harm. Actual physical harm.
Completely true! Look at the resurgence in measles to see what kind of harm that thinking can lead to.
Oh ffs. All the woman was doing was questioning the pharma PR. She is a journalist, that is what journalists (should) do. I would love to see someone like her in the top spot.
When is the last time you heard a dentist recommend tea tree oil as an anti bacterial mouth wash or a GP as an antiseptic for skin conditions?
“All the woman was doing was questioning the pharma PR”
– no, what she was doing was more akin to saying ‘are condoms really that effective at halting AIDS transmission; maybe people should stop using them until we are certain’.
“When is the last time you heard a dentist recommend tea tree oil as an anti bacterial mouth wash…” – tea tree oil is poisonous if you ingest it, so your suggestion that dentists should be telling people to put it in their mouths kind of illustrates why we need to be on our guard against this type of creeping quackery.
She was saying nothing of the sort and you know it. PReP is the flavour of the month within the gay male community so I am defiantly whistling in the wind but time will tell the side effects, and deaths.
Tea tree is only poisonous if administered in the wrong doses which is a bit like most pharma products, except less so. The main reason it is not prescriptive is because nobody makes money from it as a bottle lasts for years.
Would you like to discuss the herb Valerian now? It’s where the word Valium comes from. But you know that already of course.
Pharma PR? Do you mean the countless studies and tests that have shown the HPV vaccine to be safe? Or do you mean the HSE campaign to encourage people to get vaccinated? Cervical cancer kills. The HPV vaccine saves lives. Raising bogus concerns under the hand-washing guise of “just asking questions” is simply irresponsible. She defends it by saying it’s her job as a journalist to ask questions. It’s also her job to report the truth which is a side of her job she seems reluctant to embrace on this issue.
Where exactly did Gemma O’Doherty say the HBV vaccine was unsafe? Provide me a link please. Any vaccine which leaves children sick afterwards. which in some cases this does, should be questioned. It is perfectly natural and normal for parents to be concerned.
I remember getting the flu vaccine one year where most of the company (200+) were sick for weeks afterwards. The level of certs to HR were the highest on record because nobody stopped to ask questions. I understand the need for the flu vaccine but a healthy dose of scepticism does no harm either.
She doesn’t go so far as to say it’s unsafe. That would be too obvious. Instead she repeatedly talks about asking if it’s safe without ever mentioning the many investigations which show that it is. By all means she should ask questions but she chooses to ignore the answers. Why? Because they don’t fit her agenda?
“I remember getting the flu vaccine one year where most of the company (200+) were sick for weeks afterwards.”
A stated side effect of the flu vaccine is that you may get something akin to a cold (runny nose, aching joints, sore tummy). The upside is that you don’t get the flu, which can either put you in bed for a week or longer, or actually kill you (40,000 people die in America every year from flu).
“Where exactly did Gemma O’Doherty say the HBV vaccine was unsafe?”
She has never said it was unsafe. And Repro never said she said it was unsafe. He points out that she continually questions whether it is safe, or posts links to other people claiming it may be unsafe. This is despite numerous (numerous) scientific studies providing research-backed evidence that it is safe. The ‘just asking questions’ thing is such a cop-out, its NOT what good journalists too. Good journalists ask the question and then assemble either their own evidence or the evidence of experts to either prove or disprove a particular question. Or they simply move on and stop asking a question they are not progressing any further. If they keep “just asking the question”, they perpetuate untruths around vaccines under the cover of alleged journalism. Is it precisely the sort of nonsense which supports of Trump got away with with their ridiculous conspiracy theorising in 2016 (and which Gemma approvingly tweeted about). If Gemma was really ‘just asking the question’, she could say “i have no evidence that suggests vaccines are safe, but I’m simply highlighting a concern that won’t go away for some people”. Alternatively she could just come out and say “yeah, I’m anti-vax, its just a skepticism i have and I know that’s a problem for some people”. Instead she uses weasel words (and threats of lawsuits) like the following
““Just because the HSE tells us that something is safe, should we just trust them blindly? I believe that the women who are now dying as a result of the cervical smear scandal would have an opinion about that. If the HPV vaccine is as safe as the nearly hysterical defenders say it is, it is well able to stand up to scrutiny.“
““My father was a pharmacist and my mother was a nurse. My father was a traditional chemist in that he had huge respect for drugs and knew how dangerous they could be.”
“”My views on vaccinations and other issues have been completely taken out of context. I am not anti-vaccination. However I know there are some children who have come home from getting the shot and feel very unwell”
“”My job as a journalist is to ask is it safe. That’s my position, question everything””
“Urgent investigation launched into #HPV vaccine safety review following allegations that it did not include all relevant trials and ignored possible sources of bias, British Medical Journal reports today”
Owen-genuinely curious where you got that 40,000 die each year in US from flu claim-CDC-Center for Disease Control here disagrees with you.
“CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year”
Link above
You seek to be trying on a journalism hat here in lecturing/heckling,facts matter Owen-what no fact checker or editor,or was this just another “opinion” piece and as such the facts don’t matter,but that 40,000 deaths claim kinda underpins your argument and it’s wrong !
Truth be told GO’D probably isn’t anti-vaccines. She’s just Pro-Life and the Pro-Life people hate the HPV Vaccine.
HPV is a sexually transmitted virus. To Pro-Lifers, vaccinating teenagers against HPV is akin to approving of them having sex. That goes against everything they stand for, namely controlling other people’s sex lives. For them the best protection against HPV is to be a virgin marrying a virgin in a faithful marriage. Not just a vaginal virgin either. HPV is great for them because it can be transferred via oral sex (causing throat cancer) or bum fun which rules out those virginity loopholes.
The last thing they want is a vaccination which removes their greatest sexual bogeyman. Of course, they can’t just come out and say so. Instead they run a whisper campaign, asking questions and raising concerns about the safety of the vaccine. If other vaccines take a hit in the meantime then that’s a price they’re happy to pay. The goal is control.
“As previously explained, flu-associated deaths in adults are not a nationally notifiable condition, and so states are not required to report flu-associated deaths in adults to CDC. “
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
Estimates that are floated around for US included deaths associated with pneumonia.
John
the stalking is flattering, but really there is no need. 40,000 is the widely reported number used by US media. The CDC has provided a range of estimates based on various research studies between 3,000-49,000.
The estimate of 40,000 is just that – an estimate. Focusing on any “exact” number is a slightly pedantry in nature. The basic principle that it kills lots of people, and therefore the benefits of a flu vaccine should be reasonably obvious, is fairly straight forward.
https://www.bcm.edu/news/geriatrics/higher-flu-vaccine-for-adults-over-65
@ Owen C
After that flu jab, half the company were sick and a sizable number were in bed for the most of two weeks. It may have not been flu but it definitely was not just minor cold symptoms. I very much doubt if this was the only company affected and oddly enough, they did not offer the flu jab following year.
Flu vaccines come in batches for a reason, which is that the quality and side effects vary. Not something you will ever read in the long legal disclaimers but as someone with a relatively healthy immune system, I have taken my chances ever since then.
Now throw all the mud you want but if Gemma O Doherty gets to run on an anti corruption ticket she will romp home. I am bothered that she may be anti abortion and possibly anti equal marriage but from what I have seen so far, her bigger picture credentials stand head and shoulders above everyone else.
Owen-dont flatter yourself,but typically start off with a ad hominem comment as usual, this is your claim-“or actually kill you (40,000 people die in America every year from flu).”
To back it up you stated ‘its widely used in US” (but no sources/links)-Owen as someone who actually lives here and is quite a voracious newshound I have to tell you once again your wrong!
You linked a assistant prof at a coll in Texas as your source-I know your fond those academics but is that all you’ve got ?
“It is very important for all elderly adults, unless they have an allergy or specific contraindication, to have the flu vaccine,” said Dr. Angela Catic, assistant professor in the Huffington Center on Aging at Baylor. “Approximately 40,000 individuals, most of whom are elderly, die each year from the flu.”
Clearly you’ve never heard off or aren’t familiar with the CDC’s work,but it takes a special naivety or ignorance to dispute their numbers and facts-Baylor Coll or the CDC :)
“CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Also, most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Sensitive influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. In addition, some commonly used tests to diagnose influenza in clinical settings are not highly sensitive and can provide false negative results (i.e. they misdiagnose flu illness as not being flu.) For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical models to estimate the annual number of seasonal flu-related deaths.”
link above -40,000 do NOT die from the flu in the US annually your wrong!
“On December 9, 2016, CDC posted estimates of seasonal flu deaths from more recent seasons in the United States. CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2013-2014, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 56,000 (during 2012-2013). Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate included respiratory or circulatory causes.”
https://www.cdc.gov/about/organization/cio.htm
@ John
Ad hominem – you started it by referring to my background John in a disparaging way in some previous interactions. Don’t give it out if you can’t take it back in. Snowflakish stuff.
“You’ve obviously never heard of the CDC’s work” – I referenced them, and their estimates, in my post. So clearly I have. In your own post, the CDC provided recent estimated annual deaths of 12,000 and 56,000, so the 40,000 figure is clearly not “WRONG” (the all-caps is so Trumpian)
Re media: from hhs: “The CDC website states what has become commonly accepted and widely reported in the lay and scientific press: annually “about 36 000 [Americans] die from flu” (though it notes the issue around pneumonia, it is still ample citation for the 40k figure being used commonly in the media)
https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc
If I were to interview her for the job of President, she’d fall at the first hurdle. That is, knowing what the job actually entails.
What you perceive the job to entail is neither here nor there as you are not the employer. There is no job description as Mary I and II proved. Then we had the retirement home again with poetry and jolly trips to places no one even heard of.
There is. It’s in the Constitution. The Marys expanded the role but within the remit of Arts 12–14.
And that’s what Gemma O Doherty will do too. The hacks on here are clearly worried because they know if she gets on the ballot she will be the next President of Ireland. Watch them trash her name. sure didn’t they all get loads of experience whilst doing it to Maurice Mc Cabe.
Yes it is certainly looking that way.
…isn’t it ironic that the thing that proves the innocence of Maurice McCabe is the same thing that damns Gemma’s denial of her anti-vax position – interview tapes.
#suemegemma
What tapes?
…ah here…now you are doing that ‘just asking questions’ thing…I didn’t expect you to be an apologist
I think you’ve missed the point of elections and democracy SOQ – we, the voters, ARE the employers, we determine who gets the job.
Actually we don’t. Why is it that some candidates can just appear out of a brown paper bag while others have to trot around and beg to be allowed run?
Time the presidency is opened up for all with political parties or individuals proposing or involved ended
Let anyone put their name forward and campaign
Do it this way or abolish the role
So far we have a bunch of chancers against Mickey Dee and this will just cement his win
“Let anyone put their name forward and campaign”
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but that’s exactly how it works. Anyone can run for the presidency, you campaign get nominated to get your name on the ballot, which is the actual literal point of this post.
Unless you are proposing that anyone can apply to have their name put on the ballot sheet but I assume you are an adult with some degree of education and can see the giant issues ensuing from this.
In fairness, letting anyone go for election with a (say) €25,000 minimum deposit, repayable if you got more than (say) 5% of the vote, would certainly wean out the genuine psychopaths from the field.
Well, the poor psychopaths.
The amount has to be at a level not so small that it would be insignificant, but not so big that someone couldn’t try and crowd fund it or whatever. If you can get 250-500 people to pony up 50-100 quid each, you may at least have a claim on some sort of public platform.
Or if you could get a few senators or county councils to back you….wait a minute…
Good idea
But maybe say at least 5 grand to ensure serious individuals could afford it
Rotide
Hate to actually break this to you but I am referring to the part that one must be nominated by some politician councillor or member of the senate
I assume you are an adult with some sort of education in reading
I understand where you are coming from, but the ballot paper would have a thousand names on it – look at how many people are looking to run now, even with the current restrictions in place.
BRB, Changing my name to DRINK COKE ZERO to cash in on the $$$’s that dennis’ brilliant plan will offer
So be it if the ballot paper would have hundreds of names on it
If someone wants to stand and has the money to campaign independently that’s democracy
Why should our political system bar an Irish person from standing for the job
Maybe that’s why our candidates are so dreadful
What right has the system to bar am Irish person from election
Can’t you read?
Noone under the age of 35 is ‘barred’
Owen-dont flatter yourself,but typically start off with a ad hominem comment as usual, this is your claim-“or actually kill you (40,000 people die in America every year from flu).”
To back it up you stated ‘its widely used in US” (but no sources/links)-Owen as someone who actually lives here and is quite a voracious newshound I have to tell you once again your wrong!
You linked a assistant prof at a coll in Texas as your source-I know your fond those academics but is that all you’ve got ?
“It is very important for all elderly adults, unless they have an allergy or specific contraindication, to have the flu vaccine,” said Dr. Angela Catic, assistant professor in the Huffington Center on Aging at Baylor. “Approximately 40,000 individuals, most of whom are elderly, die each year from the flu.”
Clearly you’ve never heard off or aren’t familiar with the CDC’s work,but it takes a special naivety or ignorance to dispute their numbers and facts-Baylor Coll or the CDC :)
“CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Also, most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Sensitive influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. In addition, some commonly used tests to diagnose influenza in clinical settings are not highly sensitive and can provide false negative results (i.e. they misdiagnose flu illness as not being flu.) For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical models to estimate the annual number of seasonal flu-related deaths.”
link above -40,000 do NOT die from the flu in the US annually your wrong!
“On December 9, 2016, CDC posted estimates of seasonal flu deaths from more recent seasons in the United States. CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2013-2014, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 56,000 (during 2012-2013). Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate included respiratory or circulatory causes.”
https://www.cdc.gov/about/organization/cio.htm
Anyone who blindly follows the Pharma line ignores one simple fact; they exist to make money because lifelong treatments are far more profitable than cure.
If some want to make it about Gemma’s questioning of Pharma than lets go but at the very least; let her shake it up and make the campaign relevant to most people’s lives.
Why should the campaign be relevant to most peoples lives if the actual post isn’t?