Papal Mass, Phoenix Park, 1979
Papal Mass, Phoenix Park, yesterday
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Yesterday: And How Was It For You?
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Papal Mass, Phoenix Park, 1979
Papal Mass, Phoenix Park, yesterday
FIGHT!
Yesterday: And How Was It For You?
The main difference is that tens of thousands of people applied for multiple tickets never intending to go. As a result the event was booked out prohibiting tens of thousands of others from attending.
This isn’t true.
100% not true, and completely fatuous to suggest. Being generous, there were around 150k people at the event; there were not 350k protest tickets bought. They were also handing out free tickets at the gates of Phoenix Park. People did not want to go, plain and simple.
At the end of the day ,who cares how many attended?
Bad weather ,bogus ticket sales,
The only thing that matters is the timely revelation that the pope knew about abuse and he refused to comment
He was handed the Tuam letter and all we now need to know is what the church is now going to do
And it better be good
Its gone beyond rhetoric
Its time for government action to make the religious orders cough up the billions it owes
Orders like bon scours who run private hospitals who ran Tuam
Its time they were seized as payment and that’s for starters
And it begins… spin spin spin. Where in fact it’s sin sin sin. By the Church.
I knew no one who went: multiple reasons, including the fact they didn’t want the hassle of getting there. Tickets were available well in advance, therefore it is very likely that most people who wanted or were able to go, went. I very much doubt that the big gap of 300-400K people is not due to the nope to the pope movement.
Yup. That’s why.
Nothing to do with the categorical abuse of the vulnerable by the RCC and their subsequent determination to pretend they weren’t complicit or even massively responsible for it. That just happens to be a coincidence, right?
Pull the other one brian, it’s got bells on it.
The weather obviously put a lot of people off, hard to know how many didn’t go as protest versus the rotten weather.
You spin me right round baby, right round
do you think the morning’s lashing rain wouldn’t affect numbers?
Fair-weather Catholics so. The majority are just not interested is he tripe they peddle anymore.
Plenty of people still seem to want get married in the Catholic Church with all the trappings and go through the pre-marriage course.
I’m not sure of the figures though, possibly a majority do this? I stand corrected if not.
Fine. Sure. But that’s hardly the point now, is it?
that’s the point though, it’s impossible to conclude how much interest there is, as the data available has too many variables
Rain wouldn’t put off people attending other ticket only events.
The whine line will be gas this week. Talk to Joe.
@ Andrew
I recently got married in a Catholic church, even though I defected years ago when you still could but there were many reasons why I did so, none religious. There are very few places to have a wedding that are nice and convenient, my wife (who didn’t defect but is an atheist) wanted somewhere near to where we both grew up, nice building for photos and ambiance etc. but our options were extremely limited. Basically we could have gone to Dublin and got married in a registry office but that would be way out of the way for everyone. We could have gotten married in the hotel but we didn’t like that choice, so we used the local church which was a few hundred years old, lovely stone building nice surroundings and had a ceremony with as little religion as possible. Nothing religious about it, just used the fact that my wife is still technically a catholic to use a nice building.
You get 1000 free Pope tickets and are not going to hell
Let’s face it, there were probably a decent amount of tickets taken by protests but it couldn’t have been more than 100k at the very limits of optimism, the weather and traffic restrictions also kept some away but there’s no way to spin it any other way that about 200k just couldn’t be arsed attending and more people went to Ed Sheeran in the park over the summer
Watford v Crystal Palace on telly needs to be factored in.
…that accounts for two cranks anyway…
Can we now finally remove that eyesore from the 15 acres?
He went home yesterday.
zing!
It should never be removed. It’s a reminder of how Ireland use to be, for better or worse its part of one the biggest events in our history.
this.
I think a separate memorial for the abused, the Mother and Baby Homes, the trafficked kids should be built in and around the Papal cross.
I’m surprised nobody’s done a Nelson’s Column on it.
It’s genuinely not my cup of tea but its been there before I was born and was erected(no pun) in a very different Ireland. It would be a shame to get rid of it.
This was the largest audience ever to witness a mass, period, both in person and around the globe.
Is the royal wedding counted as a mass?
that’s a service
so can we move past mocking the people who did show up and just celebrate the fact there were so few?
What’s there to celebrate? It was an embarrassment for the catholic church, nothing will come of it and it will be like it never happened in a week or two.
and that’s worth celebrating no?
Also, it’s a load of poo.
Cannot believe the lies being told by the religious and their camp followers about the numbers attending. A lot of ‘mental reservation’ going on.
No change there, then!
I was there yesterday.
I think the 120k or whatever the final figure was is an accurate reflection of the levels of interest in the Church in Ireland today.
I don’t think the protests, weather or the long walks would have dissuaded any more than a handful of would be attendees.
I think the weather and long journey did play a role plus the mass being televised. The Irish times listing on getting to the mass showed you would need nearly 8 hours of travel all in – most of it walking and standing. That eliminates a lot of young families and older people. the Lashing rain probably didn’t help. I would’ve expected around 300,000 to show up and it seems to be half that. You also have to factor in many people may have gone to the concert instead of the mass – easier to get to and seated.
Totally agree.
My extremely devout grandmother who had booked tickets and only lives 15 mins from the city centre decided not to go because of some of the reasons you list. She is now in her late eighties, and walking is difficult for her. She absolutely would not have been able to do the 6km walk and stand in the changeable weather yesterday without feeling some negative impact on her health.
It seems very likely that it was a contributing factor for some folk, and who could blame them?
Keep deluding yourself. The RC in Ireland has been hijacked by the horrible nasty right wing. They must be removed. Next schools and hospitals and the full nationalisation of all church assets. They belong to us, the people.
And in another kick to the clericals…
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/0827/987803-court-referendum-result/
In a decision handed down on Monday morning, Mr Justice George Birmingham, Ms Justice Mary Irvine and Mr Justice Gerard Hogan found that Mr Justice Kelly was “entirely correct in refusing leave to Ms Jordan to present the petition” to challenge the referendum result.
Mr Justice Birmingham said the court “would go even further” than the High Court ruling and held that the presentation by Ms Jordan, based as it was on such flimsy and slender grounds, amounted to “a frustration of the democratic process in relation to referendums” and “might in other circumstances amount to an abuse of process”.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all that, what could the event organisers have done differently had they known they were catering for 120K instead of 500K? For starters, they should have had seating for the over-70s who account for most of their congregation at this stage. And the long walk was ludicrous.
bring me the head of Sean the Baptist