On The Rocks

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The Bernard Shaw pub in Dublin 2

Following reports that An Bord Pleanála has denied the Bernard Shaw pub, in Dublin 2, permission to continue operating its beer garden area at the rear of the property, after complaints from local residents, a petition was set up against the decision.

A total of 19,300 signatures have already been collected online.

Johnny Brennan writes:

“The Bernard Shaw is a cultural institution in Dublin. The venue’s contribution to the vibrancy of our city is met by few other and now it faces losing a planning bid to continue operating outside beer garden and Big Blue Bus area.

“The recent criticism is apparently over noise complaints from ‘local residents’, however The Bernard Shaw has been operating happily and peacefully as such since 2006.

“It is one of the most unique spaces we have in our city, which actively supports and encourages the cultural growth Dublin so desperately needs.

“Please sign and show An Bord Pleanála how important this space is and that taking it away would be drastically harmful to Dublin’s development as an attractive and vibrant cultural hub.”

Save The Bernard Shaw’s beer garden and Big Blue Bus area (Petition)

55 thoughts on “On The Rocks

  1. Tom

    The biggest complaint was someone saying they had a right to enjoy their back garden. Not when you’re a two minute walk from Stephens green.

    1. FRANK

      AND IS THE RESIDENT THERE FOR YEARS OR JUST BOUGHT THE HOUSE
      IF SO THEN TOUGH
      EITHER ITS CLOSED OR OPEN GENERATING MASSIVE REVENUE

        1. Orla

          Seems like the main reason was to assist “regeneration” of the area. Pretty crap logic given the positive impact the pub has had on the street. So it seems DCC and ABP just want clinical blocks of “mixed use”. How boring

  2. Jonjo

    Developers just dying to get their hands on it. The whole area behind it is being redeveloped.

    1. AFoxIndeed

      yeah, every building round the corner and behind it has been bought, i’d say they just want it shut asap to build another hotel

  3. Janet, I ate my avatar but I'm trying to stop

    there’s already feck all places you can sit to enjoy a rare glimpse of the sun

    1. Ian-O

      This.

      Haven’t been there in a few years but its a good spot. Has anyone tried to compromise, do we know?

      Also, replying to AFoxIndeed above you, that does seem to the way its going alright, we will have a city of hotels and nowhere to go and little to do.

      But so long as someone is making the bucks, what of it would seem to be the opinion.

  4. pedeyw

    I don’t go there much. It’s a nice spot and all but also €6 for a guinness is taking p1$$

    1. rotide

      hahahaha this is so true.

      I don’t like the place but then again I’m much too old to be the target market

    2. Dr.Fart MD

      the staff are terrifyingly slow. there’d be three layers deep of people lookin to get served, and they’ll be pulling one pint at a time while joking around with each other. its real frustrating. any time ive gone in there on a busy night ill wait 10 mins and if i dont get served, ill pull a tin out of my bag.

  5. newsjustin

    “……one of the most unique spaces….”

    I hope it closes and burns down because of this phrase.

      1. newsjustin

        Don’t care. If anything, I’d say my attitude is one of the most unique attitudes I’ve come across. Not just a little unique, or moderately unique. It’s actually quite unique.

  6. Mezcal

    Is it one of those Bodytonic places where they buy a poo poo pub, put a game of Connect 4 on a shelf and sell beers called things like Hare’s Umbrella, or Jacksie’s Wankle Rotary Engine Grand Cru Ale, thereby making it “a most unique space”? If so, please demolish.

  7. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    Smelly aul place. Mr Andy loves it. I will not sign, in an attempt to ruin his nights out.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      absolutely – an utter, smelly fupping kip. i used to like it (until right now). not surprised HE likes it. goes around with a mangy mongrel on a piece of rope, too, doesn’t he?

      1. Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop

        His “Lonesome Boatman” would bring a tear to a glass eye.

      2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        Back in the day, probably yes to be honest. Not so much any more.
        Let’s not talk about that, though, dearest. I know it makes you gassy, what with the pent-up rage.

      1. Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop

        Brother barnabas has elevated the art to fiveplay I’d say.

  8. Andrew

    ““The Bernard Shaw is a cultural institution in Dublin……………..contribution to the vibrancy of our city”

    No it isn’t- what dafuq does ‘vibrancy’ even mean? It’s bandied about a lot these days.
    An Beal Bócht was very near there, that did have some cultural relevance and it was knocked down.

    Won’t be signing.

  9. Dr.Fart MD

    reading the report there. doesnt seem fair at all. one woman complained, and one ABP guy refused the renewal on the grounds that the pub isnt in line with the surrounding development. so new hotels and apartments now get to say a pub thats been there decades doesnt fit the area.. the area that THEY are new too. I think theres more to this.. two people alone, getting to shut it down? nah. reckon the ABP guy got a pay off from developers.

    1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      How long has it been there? When did they hipster it up? I have no memory of it back in the day.

    2. rotide

      That pub has not been like that for three decades.

      The bus appeared less than 10 years ago, maybe even 5. The food market thing is about 2 years old.

      That ‘three decades’ thing is taking the pee as much as any objection

      1. Dr.Fart MD

        even if the beer garden had only been there for a year, that doesnt matter. they put on art exhibitions, flea markets, gigs, its a place you can sit in the sun, its not for you, its not for me either, thats fine, but its good to have these things happening there. and with it gone, there’ll only be offices and hotels there. theyre stripping away a place to showcase creativity. if that means anything to u at all, rotide, and id highly doubt it.

        1. rotide

          If the beer garden had only been there for a year, it would be an open and shut case of the licence not being renewed.

          I’m not arguing with any of the positives you have highlighted, merely that the market aspect of the BS has only been on the go a very short time and that’s clearly what the residents have the issue with.

          1. Dr.Fart MD

            one resident complained. it’s in the report available to the public. someone posted it in the comments above somewhere.

  10. Termagant

    19,300 culture vultures think their right to have somewhere to vulch culture outweigh Linda Hickey’s right to sleep at night in her own home

    It’s not a unique space, there are at least a million other places like it across the city

    People just like it because they think that people think that if you go to the B Shaw you’re a real cool dude

    which you’re NOT probably

    1. shortforbob

      I agree Local residents have every right to complain, and I believe these claims are not new either.

      > It’s not a unique space, there are at least a million other places like it across the city

      Care to name a few places you think are comparable?

      There are obviously many other scruffy pubs in Dublin and there are at least a few places with outdoor areas. Some people throw the word unique around like tech companies throw the word innovative, it is hyperbole, the reality is there’s nothing new and but some variations on existing ideas are more interesting than others.

      The Bernard Shaw offers a different mix and a particular combination than other places but I’d also have to agree that all the pieces that it offers are available in other forms elsewhere.

      I’m sure a few people will miss the Shaw as much as others will miss the Tivoli, the POD [1], Andrews Lane, and other lost venues but another will rise.

      [1] https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/05/30/this-used-to-be-my-playground/

  11. shortforbob

    I’m glad that something like it exists and many people clearly enjoy it but objectively it is an awful kip.
    Bodytonic seem to know what they’re doing and I expect they find another venue to offer similar experiences.

    Instead of worrying about this kip I’d be more worried about Dublin in general not having proper planning and development of nightlife and tourism in general. Ideas like having a whole Mayor for Nightlife or “Night Mayor” seem excessive but the sentiment and goals of having a sustainable and organized nightlife and promoting entertainment business do seem sensible.

  12. Billy Goatz

    Definitely the slowest most patronising & incompetent bar staff in the country have been creaming it for far too long for the smelly smugness that they provide.

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      Appellant (to the granting of the licence) is No. 8 Lennox Street, possibly representing the entire street.

  13. Broadbag

    Pub should shut the beer garden at 11 so residents can sleep, greedy pub just wants as much profit as possible and is re-framing the argument as a cultural one to get daw-brains to sign their petition. Sleep and wellbeing is more important than profit.

  14. :-Joe

    Eh.. maybe look at possible suggestions and try to find a compramise?..

    No, the consus is watch it burn in hell?..

    Just complain about the complainants and beat them at their own game if it’s a scam developer tactic to get it knocked down for another tesco or just more bland homogeneous branding..

    Looking at some knee-jerk reactions, the human race is doomed if we make any serious decisions based on vox-pop’s from BS.

    BHME and KILL EM ALL !! – Is in the air of the public consciousness tho.. to be fair….

    :-J

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