Misplaced Pride




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26 thoughts on “Misplaced Pride

    1. TheQ47

      This is the equivalent of the old “first!!1!!!1!!!” posts on message boards years ago.

      1. Andrew

        My original post was censored for some reason. It has been found in the past that the majority of those seeking asylum here have been proven to be bogus in their claim. That’s just a fact, nothing personal about it.
        I’m sorry, but should we just take everyone’s word for it when they arrive?
        They do get due process and are supported right the way through it until all legal options are exhausted.
        I’m not sure what you want.

        1. Dr.Fart MD

          that’s not what the post is about tho. it’s about gay asylum seekers being asked something as ridiculous as to prove their sexuality to a board, and then the department for that board putting up a pride flag.

  1. Anomanomanom

    I don’t see the problem here. So any body should be able to just say “oh im gay and I’ll be persecuted so let me in”. There has to be some sort of challenge to their story.

    1. Ian-O

      Did you actually read the reply to the tweet?

      It would seem to me that the issue on at least one of the points was were the person was asked if they imagined the persecution?

      From the wikipedia page about Same sex rights in Zimbabwe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Zimbabwe

      Laws passed in 2006 criminalized any actions perceived as homosexual. The Zimbabwean Government has made it a criminal offense for two people of the same sex to hold hands, hug, or kiss. The “sexual deviancy” law was one of 15 additions to Zimbabwe’s Criminal Code quietly passed in Parliament. The sections involving gays and lesbians are part of an overhaul of the country’s sodomy laws. Before then, laws against sodomy were limited to sexual activity, and the revised law now states that sodomy is any “act involving contact between two males that would be regarded by a reasonable person as an indecent act”.[13]

      Do you think she imagined the above? No problem to challenge someones claims, quite another to accuse them of making stuff up.

      Especially when they are coming from a place where homophobia is institutionalized and the place itself is incredibly corrupt as is.

      1. Harry

        There’s nothing wrong with being challenged when you are stating your position. And the evidence you just gave supports the ladies position and I’m sure that’s what she stated in response to the challenge and was successful.

        Assessors can’t take everything at face value or they wouldn’t be good at their job, they gotta ask questions mate, it’s not personal.

          1. Termagant

            Listen up, toots.

            A country has finite resources with which to provide for its populace, sweet cheeks. And it stands to reason that an asylum seeker, landing in a foreign country with no contacts, no documentation, maybe not even the language, is going to rely more heavily on those resources than others. Now I know the female brain has a tendency to overheat when cogitating so I’ll lay it out for you: if a country’s not selective in who it permits to enter they’re going to find themselves in a position where they don’t have sufficient resource to properly provide for the people who need it, which degrades the service for all dependents, both established domestic and asylum-seeking blow-in. It would be nice to take everyone, and if you think with your emotions like most women you might say we should do this, but this country is ruled by MEN, thank God, so we try to make sure the people we let in genuinely need shelter and aren’t just looking for a change of scene.

            Now swivel those sweet gams over here and give me a smile.

          2. Termagant

            Are you being serious right now?

            I don’t know what level of irony we’re on any more.

        1. Ian-O

          I have no issue with them being quizzed, I am not an open borders liberal as some might think and believe we have to assess each case robustly, it just seems a bit redundant to ask a gay person if they imagined persecution in a country were even the act of holding hands is against the law.

      1. Ian-O

        Mkay. So what you saying is that what happens if we allowed someone in without asking them questions and they blew up a pride parade but you had prefaced that by saying that people lie, so what happens if we do ask them questions and then they lie and blow the pride parade up anyway?

        Close the borders, its the only way to be sure!

        1. Ian-O

          I kind of got that from the fact that the flag is a small (relative to an actual rainbow) rectangle made (usually) out of fabric and a rainbow is not.

          But nice to assured all the same…. (directed at Wikipedia rather than you Cian before you get all humpy with me.)

          ; )

          1. Brother Barnabas

            cian does not get ‘humpy’

            instead, cian engages in a rationale, clinical, forensic deconstruction and dismissal of your comment*

            *which i always enjoy reading

  2. Jake38

    Being asked a question by immigration is now “appalling”.

    I’m appalled by the stupidity of this post.

    1. Dr.Fart MD

      just like the rest of the knuckle-draggers in this comments section, you either haven’t read the tweets, or you can’t uncloud ur mind of your usual nonsense once you see “asylum seeker” written down and just go to your usual output. the post is about the board asking an asylum seeker to prove theyre gay, which is not a normal question, then putting up a pride flag. if this was a straight person being asked by a board of gay people to prove theyre straight you’d be spoutin off about it.

      1. Andrew

        That didn’t take you long Dr. Fart before you resorted to sneering insults. If the asylum seeker is claiming to be gay and also claiming that is the reason for his persecution in their own country, then the board is perfectly entitled to and are required to ask for some evidence. The same as sham marriage couples are asked to prove they are in a legitimate relationship.
        Once YOU see ‘asylum seeker’ written down you rush to see if there is some injustice you can get outraged about.

        1. Dr.Fart MD

          you’re right. except for the last part. i would be more empathetic tho. whereas you see asylum seeker and remove all idea of someone, a human, fleeing war etc., and just looking to survive, and have them marked down straight away as some trickster held bent on nothing other than doing over the irish immigration system. you don’t see any of them as humans in desperation.

        2. SOQ

          Lets start on the basis that people incarcerated in direct provision are treated like animals and work forward from that- because they are.

          How do you PROVE you are gay? Its just an excuse- Sylva Tukula was trans, was she expected to somehow prove that too? The Department of Justice & Equality is being called out on their LGBT+ record- and rightly so.

          1. SOQ

            People who took the honest path into Ireland are imprisoned while smuggled others live in thirty year old caravans in the depths of winter out the back of the Irish agri industry?

            When will the Department of Justice & Equality be waving flags for them too?

  3. Peter Dempsey

    I have no doubt that the person was persecuted. However why aren’t we criticising the thousands of homophobic non-white people in Africa and Asia – the majority of whom think like that because of some bullpoo religion.

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