A Limerick A Day

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In a review being carried out by the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment (NCCA) Irish could be dropped as a compulsory subject

A conclave will write a new rule
To govern the last years of school
There’s a rumour about
That Irish is out
As employers don’t think that it’s cool

John Moynes

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21 thoughts on “A Limerick A Day

  1. Col

    If Irish was taught properly at primary level, we could have almost bilingual students going into secondary level.

    This would make students better able to learn further languages, they’d have better communication skills and I believe it also helps with learning programming languages.

  2. Hansel

    Not sure about programming languages, but certainly I seem to find every new language I learn easier. Tá súil agam go mbeidh mo páiste féin dátheangach ar a laghad roimh dul go dtí an mhéanscoil.

  3. Slightly Bemused

    I agree: The way Irish is taught is dreadful and serves to drive people away.

    On the point of employers not thinking it cool, I used be almost fluent (lack of use has sadly diminished my command of Irish) and always put Irish down on my CV as the first of my languages, with English second. I was at an interview once for a post, and was asked why I put Irish down as a separate language, as it was merely a dialect of English (interviewer was French speaking for an overseas based job, although the interview was in English). I promptly switched to Irish to complete the interview. When he looked stumped, I asked in English if he did not understand, if it was merely a dialect of English. He tried to be smart, and switched to French, but that is one of my other languages, so I won that round.
    And I got the job.

      1. millie st murderlark

        Indeed, Alan would be proud. And probably jealous. Not that he’d ever admit to it.

  4. martco

    yep, like most I agree. this whole show of forced Irish is a nasty hangover from more troubled times. like many oul P_ig there was bet into me, I landed an A in old money & I’d say before my second year at 3rd level was out I couldn’t construct a sentence.

    done properly from early on it could be such a winner…but it’s just not…instead what we have for the general mortal population (those of us on the outside the gates looking into likes Scoil Lorcain, Comhaltas…) is a very uptight, exclusive, negative, irrelevant & expensive to maintain national toy.

    it’s a nonsense, Cantonese is more relevant

      1. martco

        yeah “Chinese” takeaways ;)

        doing business in HKG & Shenzhen however it’s more than useful

          1. martco

            I’d say its brutal –> non-existant @Repro…reckon I’d save a rake of work money if I had proper understanding

  5. The Old Boy

    If only we could have a sensible discussion about the way that Irish is taught, up to and including dropping the compulsory exams in the senior cycle (if you like) without it being brought about by some nebulous business interests, foreign or domestic, being handed the reins of our education policies.

    1. millie st murderlark

      Well said OB.

      I have loved revisiting Irish with my daughter but my experience of irish, particularly at secondary level, left me with a ten year headache and a real distaste for it as a language. A massive overhaul is needed.

      Also, the next gaelgoir to engage me in conversation and then segue into Irish mid sentence so I can no longer understand the conversation gets a nice sharp slap.

        1. millie st murderlark

          I hope not. That would obviously ruin the mystique of our whole arrangement.

      1. Slightly Bemused

        Hi millie. I had an aunt who used do that constant switching between Irish and English (think SBB ina Shuí) and it really annoyed me but did teach me a valuable lesson. However, it did help in such other situations. At one point I had a good grasp of about 7 languages (English, Bad English, Irish, French, Russian, Serbo-Croat (as I learned it) and Swahili). When Gaelgóirs did the nasty, which I honestly believe many of them do to prove just how cool they are, I would do the same across multiple languages. It was really fun!

        Sadly, lack of use has meant my fluency has atrophied, although my understanding remains.

  6. Slightly Bemused

    I just realised something, not sure if it is directly related. But I have nieces and nephews who learned in Gaelscoileanna, and have paid attention to news readers and weather presenters who are Gaelgóirs and for the most part, their grammar is vastly better than those who speak English in the main, including my own. I have also noted a lack of ‘ehm’s and ‘err’s when they speak.

    As I say, not sure if connected, but I have had discussions with others about how we never really learned the rules of English grammar in school beyond the bare glosses, while Irish and other languages do teach grammatical structure.

    The ‘ehm’ing and ‘err’ing likely comes from a lack of confidence in what you are about to say (not so much content as how to put it) and maybe this is related.

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