This morning.
Ireland is among the most obedient countries in the world when it comes to muzzling up, according to research by financial comparison website Finder.com.
Singapore (76%), New Zealand (71%) and Australia (58%), had the lowest face mask ownership rates while the United Kingdom ranked number one (97%), followed by South Africa (90%), the Philippines (87%) and Mexico (85%).
Ireland ranked 5th for face mask adoption.
…Susannah Binsted writes:
The global study included a poll of 1,211 Irish adults, revealing 84% – the equivalent of 3,078,085 adults – own a specified face mask.
Cloth face masks are the most popular mask type in Ireland, with 42% of the adult population possessing one, followed by blue surgical masks (32%), homemade masks (11%) and medical grade masks (11%)….
Well done, everyone.
FIGHT!
Face masks and coronavirus in Ireland (Finder)
Meanwhile…
Hmm.
Anti-maskers. Are the millions of people in Japan/China who wore masks pre-covid “sheep wearing muzzles”?
A builder sanding a wooden floor?
A cyclist commuting in city streets?
Is it the wearing of masks or the being told to wear masks that angers you?
+1, but at least it provides an easy way to spot the sociopaths in our community
All of those examples refer to wearing masks as protection while breathing in are they not?
Not all of the examples give no. It’s now widely known that wearers of masks in Asian countries pre-Covid were protecting others. It was a manners thing, like covering your mouth when you cough. Some say it is a trait of their more collective cultures. Would be nice to think that after all this masks became normal for people with colds and flus, instead of heading to work and shops spluttering all over the place (I’ve done this, won’t anymore). It could just become common manners in the future.
Here are some links to back up, plenty out there:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ie/blog/culture-shocked/202005/why-was-mask-wearing-popular-in-asia-even-covid-19
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/05/22/commentary/japan-commentary/covid-19-versus-japans-culture-collectivism/
Your first link mentions that the people there wore them out of courtesy – if they were sick.
Hong Kong and other industrialized cities were highly polluted, and mask wearing was seen as protection against breathing in the pollution.
Both mentioned in this link https://airlief.com/why-do-chinese-wear-masks/
But plenty of links out there saying the same.
I went bowling with a cloth mask on last week. The bowling alley was not fully booked, but I noticed that the only other people wearing masks were black or asian. Even some of the older in danger groups (55+) there didn’t wear masks, which was a little weird. There was some air conditioning in the main area, so hopefully no outbreaks from this, all clear so far. Same with the cinemas here in Berlin, we had to wear masks everywhere inside the building except for in your seat at the screen, those rooms were very air conditioned. Nice to be able to do normal weekend stuff and support businesses. I think they can work out something for live music using these methods.
@SOQ
Ventilation is more important than air conditioning. Air conditioning is only helpful if it brings in fresh air and doesn’t recirculate used air.
‘But, if you use a centralised ventilations system that removes and circulates air to different rooms it is recommended that you turn off recirculation and use a fresh air supply.’ https://www.hse.gov.uk/coronavirus/equipment-and-machinery/air-conditioning-and-ventilation.htm
Sorry, @Junkface, not SOQ
in Paris runners and cyclists are exempt from masks
I have tried it, I can’t run in a mask, it makes me wonder if people with less lung capacity can walk in a mask ? I have excellent lung capacity, I don’t have to try for all the balls to go flying up the tubes in a lung function test, my sister on the same test a non smoker who gets moderate exercise nearly killed herself getting the first two of three up. My Dad only has one lung he can’t manage the mask,
what I’m saying is it’s presumptuous to assume it’s the same for everyone, maybe take a minute before assuming someone is an a-hole if they are not wearing one.
It’s very hard to do any strenuous exercise with one. I’ve seen other people cycling with one on but they’re always on *spit* electric bikes.
double spit, may they sink into the earth ( my favorite hebrew curse )
I hope you’re not wearing masks while you spit, because that is discusti….
…actually, on second thought, I hope you *are* wearing masks.
Ditto in Melbourne.
I’m amazed though – how come we aren’t all suffering from panic attacks and staph infections, like SOQ and Pat Mustard said we would?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Ah a Youtube link; well, I won’t pre-judge.
Is it from an virologist, or an epidemologist, or a public health…
*clicks on link*
Oh it isn’t, it’s from a man with no training in any relevant field.
Actually his field is of direct relevance- he was the first to identify that positive test results now do not equate to illness.
And, that there is a link between a previous mild respiratory season and an overall fatality spike this year- which nobody has yet challenged.
The problem with Cummins’ claims are that in order for him to be correct, it would need him to be smarter than all of the collected virologists, epidemiologists, medical doctors and public health scientists in the world, and that, on the face of it, seems unlikely.
Your assumption that ‘all of the collected virologists, epidemiologists, medical doctors and public health scientists in the wold’ are on board with this madness is far from the truth.
There is people speaking out all over the place except the mainstream media conveniently ignores them. Ivor himself works with a number of medics who would prefer to remain anonymous- which is in itself very telling.
” identify that positive test results now do not equate to illness”
Tell that to the 53 people in hospital and 7 people in ICU .
Granted there aren’t the same % in hospital/dead as in April – but that is because we weren’t testing enough and many people had covid back then but were never tested.
Now we are casting the test net further and catching a lot of the asymptomatics missed in April.
If you look at the data, there is a second wave coming to Ireland. Hopefully it will be a smaller wave (because of people washing their hands, social distancing, wearing masks, working from home, reducing their contacts, not going abroad)… but its coming.
The hospitalisation numbers are minuscule Cian- and are to be expected.
Look at WHAT data- show me one country which has a second wave so far?
Great to see I’m living rent free in Rob_Gs little mush.
The clown who wrongly said you can’t get a staph infection from a mask.
Try harder slackjaw
I didn’t say that :)
I’m waiting for you post evidence of the thousand-fold increase in facial staph infections, given as how we have had a thousand-fold increase in the wearing of face-masks.
Short video showing droplet dispersion using different types of mask
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s
If you feel you’re being ”muzzled” perhaps it’s because deep down you think you’re an animal and haven’t evolved like the rest of us decent humans who wear masks to protect others, a mild inconvenience for the greater good?
noun
noun: muzzle; plural noun: muzzles
1.
the projecting part of the face, including the nose and mouth, of an animal such as a dog or horse.
I noticed this a while back. People saying they are being muzzled seems to be their way of showing how the masks rules have turned them into feeling like animals. Its silly and fairly extreme in my opinion. Nobody really wants to wear a mask in society (in normal times), and the sooner we beat this virus the better. We can all get back to French kissing and riding at every opportunity ;)
The use of the term ‘muzzle’ for a face-mask was recorded back during the 1918 flu outbreak, where mask-wearing was enforced in some places in the USA and not others:
“I am 75 years old and have been living in this state 67 years,” a man named E. Piercy told a police court, according to Los Angeles’ Evening Express. “I must have my smoke, and I’m not going to give up my tobacco for a cheesecloth muzzle!”
There is sufficient evidence against wearing masks to cast doubt on the evidence in favour – both from the view of effectiveness (for the wearer and/or those around them) in preventing the spread of the virus and of the adverse effects on the wearer in other respects. When the evidence is conflicting, it should be left to the individual to choose whether to wear a mask or not.
“There is sufficient evidence against wearing masks to cast doubt on the evidence in favour ”
– is there?
“and [sufficient evidence] of the adverse effects on the wearer in other respects. ” – really? Like what?
@ Rob_G
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ & https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect are two sample sources.
@Broadsheet
This is the second time that I have had a comment held for monitoring, apparently for having more than two links. However, on both occasions there were only two links. Is there some reason for this, please? (It has now been passed but I’d like to avoid the problem in future, if possible.)
@ John Smith
More than one link needs to reviewed by admin for everyone- it’s a standard security thing on most sites.
@SOQ
Thanks for the explanation about the links. I’ll know in future. However, the message that comes up says the problem may be ‘more than two links’, not ‘more than one link’, so that was confusing.
Primarydoctor.org is a website full of woo. One of the authors Colleen Huber, “NMD” runs an “alternative” cancer treatment scam.
And the Swiss Policy Research organisation, while it has an impressive name, is a WordPress website.
the Swiss
PropagandaPolicy Research organisationI disagree with your last sentence – it is too broad.
I would change it to either:
“When he evidence is conflicting, and any negative consequences are borne by the wearer, it should be left to the individual to choose whether to wear a mask or not.”
or
“When he evidence is conflicting, and some negative consequences are borne others , it should NOT be left to the individual to choose whether to wear a mask or not.”
Take smoking as an example.
Smoking is banned indoors (in public) in Ireland because of the negative impact of secondary smoke to other people. When e-cigarettes arrived (and evidence was conflicting on their harm) we didn’t leave it to the smokers to choose if they could smoke indoors or not. We erred on the side of the other people.
In Australia, masks are only compulsory in the state of Victoria, about 25% of the population. So, the 58% figure is misleading. I am not going out much – we are not meant to – but I reckon it would be 90%+ compliance. There is a $1652 fine (about 1K Euro), if you are not wearing one outside your home. They daily cases in Vic has dropped from 705 a day to 43 a day, in 5 weeks, with other hard lockdown measures in place, too. Pretty sad that idiots call them muzzles.
Can I ask a question – what real world evidence do you find convincing that masks are an effective intervention in the spread of Sars-Cov-2? From what I’ve observed, when you look at the trajectory of spread of the virus mapped out on a graph, in country after country, the point at which mandatory mask wearing was enforced, did not impact the trajectory in any way – either in each trajectory’s continual rise or it’s descent depending on the country and time of adoption. What am I missing?
Lets put it this way. In Seoul, South Korea during April, they reopened Night clubs and after one night had a sudden serious outbreak. One infected person spent 2 hours there and infected 100 or so people. That was an indoor space, nobody wore masks, not sure if it was ventilated or not (lots of clubs do not), but its an example of how the air can become very contaminated quickly, infecting everyone who breathed that air in. If the infected person was wearing a mask and everyone else in there was, this would not have spread so fast, as they would have kept each others air cleaner. Can you not see how this makes sense?
If you do woodwork with certain types of wood like Mahogany, there is a serious risk of cancer if you breathe in that dust. Anyone working with it wears a filter mask. Same principle.
but aren’t you using circular reasoning -ie. you’re using your assumption on the efficacy of masks as the basis for your argument?
The issue is not the efficacy of mask F, the data proves they do not work- the issue is about compliance, being a good citizen etc and that somehow you are selfish if you question the official narrative. That you think the official narrative may be wrong is not allowed. And some people are quite happy to do the bullying on behalf of the state- because it makes them feel virtuous.
Take that silly nonsense mixing racism and workers rights above- apart form trying to shoe horn race into something which has nothing to do with it- shop assistants worked right though when the virus rates were high and there is no evidence of a higher rate of infection in that group even though the public wear not wearing masks because if there was- Tescos, Sainsburys, etc would have been forced to take a lot more safety measures than they did,
SOQ
Mixing racism?? What in God’s name are you talking about? My friend, who is black, feels at risk from covid 19, she is right judging from reported death rates of black people in the UK and USA. They are higher than white people. The Asian person in the next lane was wearing a mask too, this is typical in Berlin with Asian people. Many of them wear masks outdoors even.
Ah I see the poster above now. That wasn’t there at the start, or I missed it. Thought you were talking about something else.
Real world evidence? Scientific pier reviewed evidence shows that masks reduce the transmission of both bacterial and viral vectors, both to and from the wearer. No protection is completely effective visavis condoms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Hopefully you realise this is psuedo science nonsense.
I think you’ll find that introducing muzzles after the epidemic is over is the real pseudoscience.
What exactly do you disagree with in that video?
Just a FYI but Ivor Cummins appears to have the full support of Professor Carl Heneghan no less.
Carl Heneghan is Professor of Evidence Based Medicine at University of Oxford and is a director of the University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine so if you think Carl’s work as “pseudoscience nonsense” too- then you really have no idea what you are talking about.
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan
“Real world evidence? Scientific pier reviewed evidence shows that masks reduce the transmission of both bacterial and viral vectors,”
But all the randomised control trials carried out in the years previous to the current pandemic (somewhere in the region of 15) have found little to no evidence that cloth masks are effective in reducing the community spread of influenza during a pandemic. Why do you think all that evidence is now being ignored in favour of questionable observational studies which are lower down in the hierarchy of scientific evidence?
In this day and age, it would be naive to think that just because a scientific paper gets tagged as “peer-reviewed” therefore it’s validity is automatically assured, no need to probe further. The sad reality is that the scientific research process has been so corrupted by corporate interests over time that even as far back as 2002, the former chief editor of the New England Medical Journal, Dr Arnold Relman stated:
“The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful”
and in 2015, the chief editor of the Lancet, Richard Horton made this statement:
“The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue”
This article is worth a read:
https://thefastingmethod.com/the-corruption-of-evidence-based-medicine-killing-for-profit/
I think it’s reason why, apart from anything else, the timing of this new research in favour of masks is so suspect . It suits the agendas of certain political players and those corporations hoping to make a massive profit from mass uptake of a vaccine.
Scientific articles on a fad diet page? Sounds legit!
For $450 an hour he’ll teach you how to not eat food to lose weight.
Ah bless, ad hominem, it’s the only form of argument Daisy knows.
Starting to feel sorry for you at this point. Hey, let it all out if it makes you feel better. conspiraloon, far-right, etc, etc. Go Daisy!
You post guff from random websites that’s easily debunked and all you can do is cry ad hominem?
Have any of them offered magic beans for your cow?
Can you debunk the two statements I quoted from the chief editors of the Lancet and the NEMJ?
Here’s an article on a US government website quoting the same two statements:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4572812/
From what I can see, you never debunk anything , just resort to lazy ad hominems – oh, and strawman arguments too.
What’s the matter with you Daisy?
Contrary to what conspiracy theorists believe masks cause no harm to the wearer. My dentist, and I’m sure other dentists too, wears a mask for most of the day and he is one of the healthiest people I know. A relative of mine is an ICU nurse in a Kaiser hospital in California and during every flu season all staff are given a choice: a) take the flu vaccine or, b) wear a mask for the entire shift. She opts for the latter and has never experienced any ill effects.
Why aren’t the rugby players wearing them? They’re up close and personal with members of perhaps 32 different households. Could it be anything to do with the intake, or not, of air/oxygen/ ? (Serious question by the way)
They may find them to be a bit of a hindrance; I do too, but you get used to it
i reckon that 16% are the staff in the shops and pubs. some are good, then some just think they have immunity because they’re merchandising the shop floor of TK Maxx.
These statistics look odd. In Singapore it’s compulsory to wear a mask outside and they have a very high compliance rate. I worked there a lot before the pandemic and a lot of people wore masks back then too when they had a cold etc, similar to Japan.
during the foot and mouth outbreak there a few years ago, i was working in holland in a flower exporters. on a trip back home i had a dirty big 1.5metre box full of flowers for the mammy and i flew into belfast because it was cheap as chips. so walking through the customs area with my rifle-sized box of flowers and thinking that it pertained to me, i heard a voice calling someone to come back. some guy didn’t walk over the disinfectant mats because he had a really expensive pair of shoes on. the officer explained, yes it’s a pain in the hole, but it’s less of a pain in the hole when we all do it.
and therein lies the rub; it’s less of a pain in the hole when we all do it.
Could you imagine the ratlickers if foot and mouth broke out again? “Well my feet and mouth are fine so it’s just a scamdemic. I have a constitutional right to dry feet. You can’t make me walk in your chemical, foot rotting soup!”
Is it weird if I say I like her eyes?
nope, I’m a sucker for an almond shaped eye,
I rarely find blue eyes attractive, the lighter they are the more I think cold fish which is ironic because mine are very light :))
My lady :-)
A nation of easily scared sheep.
Which is strange, because livestock on this island no longer have much in the way of natural predators…
Don’t forget about The Beast though. Chris the sheep was scared of that.
Just on this survey- it doesn’t suggest anything of the sort. It is a percentage count of the number of people who OWN a mask which near everyone does. Whether they wear it or in what circumstances is a completely different thing,
For example
There is a trend to cut the filter out of masks on the inside- is that complaint?
What about wearing it under you nose?
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And then there is legislation itself- it does not specify masks just face coverings so were the number of people I seen yesterday with a flimsy scarf wrapped around their gob compliant?
something like these ?
https://lilyscarves.com/products/scarfmasks
You can get ones to match your underwear….
“You can get ones to match your underwear….”
the logical conclusion to that is that if you go commando…
every summer, don’t knock it ;)
“There is a trend to cut the filter out of masks on the inside”
What is the point of doing that? You’d still have all the downsides of wearing a mask but lose the one (debatable) advantage!
Literally lose-lose.
Because a lot of people find them uncomfortable to wear and some people feel nauseous but don’t want to cause a scene.
What is the difference between wearing a thin scarf and cutting the filter out?
You just answered your own question.
What’s the different between cutting a hole out of the crotch of your swimming trunks and being naked but holding a thin scarf in front of your bits n bobs?
The difference is that a single sheet of a mask is way easier to breath through than a filter and- they are still compliant with the guidelines which state face coverings, not masks.
what has racism to do with wearing masks?