State of play in remaining swing states in the US Presidential election as of 4pm
Decision Desk HQ projects that @JoeBiden has won Pennsylvania and its 20 electoral college votes for a total of 273.
Joe Biden has been elected the 46th President of the United States of America.
Race called at 11-06 08:50 AM EST
All Results: https://t.co/BgcQsEyt3j
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) November 6, 2020
Joe Biden overtakes President Trump in the vote count in Pennsylvania and Georgia. The presidency hinges on the outcome in key battleground states. #Election2020
FULL COVERAGE: https://t.co/NWYeJuYsamhttps://t.co/Z0h2LfltW3
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 6, 2020
AP EXPLAINS: The @AP has not declared a winner in the battleground state of Pennsylvania because there are tens of thousands of votes left to count in the contest between President Donald Trump and Democrat Joe Biden. https://t.co/HTmOyQlX8Z https://t.co/VLjs3tcRvO
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 6, 2020
This afternoon.
More as we get it.
Meanwhile…
I’ve tweeted out 3 videos of clear and obvious election fraud. Twitter has deleted each of them. Twitter is interfering in our election!!
— JT Lewis (@thejtlewis) November 6, 2020
“We think there’s going to be a lot of litigation because we have so much evidence, so much proof, it’s going to end up perhaps at the highest court in the land, you’ll see. We think there’ll be a lot of litigation, because we cannot have an election stolen like this.”
US President Donald Trump last night.
FIGHT!
Meanwhile…
Hmm.
Top Republicans defend Trump on voter fraud claims as concerns grow in the ranks (CNN)
Meanwhile…
I had such a big lead in all of these states late into election night, only to see the leads miraculously disappear as the days went by. Perhaps these leads will return as our legal proceedings move forward!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2020
Uh oh.
Recount.
Arrest Jack Dorsey
For facilitating the rise of Trump in the first place? That Twitter account was worth more than any amount of billboards. JLS for prez 2024!
Well done Stacy Abrams.
I like kittens
This is only “true” if you believe in the extreme left’s idea of “the number line.”
Lol
Trump is morphing into America’s Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf.
i know there is all sorts of legal shape throwing after every US election but the mail in factor-as opposed to absentee ballots- is a new one. If it was all that secure then it would have happened a long time before now and the only difference this time around is CoVid-19- so it will go all the way to the supreme court.
What is certain is that it will leave a country divided like never before which no matter what way you look at it- is not good.
Enjoying the kool-aid? The mail in factor is only portrayed as an issue because Trump has been pushing it as an issue.
So if mail in is so secure then why did the US not allow them in general elections before the current pandemic?
Of course Trump is pushing it- who else would be?
Because it makes voting easier for people Republicans don’t want voting made easy for.
This by the way is the real divide – people in power because they make voting difficult for select groups, and everybody else.
In what way does mail in make it easier for one set of voters than another?
Are polling booths really that far away?
Yes.
There has been voter suppression across the US.
It is easier to vote in some areas than others – more polling stations and shorter queues.
If you are poor you can’t afford to stand in a queue for hours on end.
If you are rich there are no queues.
Yes. In Georgia people were waiting 11 and 12 hours in line to vote. Guess which areas that happened? To say nothing of voters with disabilities and US citizens overseas.
Oh, and there was a massive purge of voters just before the election. Guess what groups were targeted in the purge? Go on, guess.
https://www.gregpalast.com/aclu-releases-palast-fund-georgia-voter-purge-errors-report/
What Nigel said!
The US has been allowing postal voting since at least 1918 and it has been available on demand since 2001.
Absentee yes, not mail in.
Incorrect. In two-thirds of the states, any qualified voter may vote absentee without offering an excuse, and in one-third of the states, an excuse is required.
A Note on Terminology
A ballot that has been sent to a voter and is voted outside of a polling place or election official’s office has traditionally been referred to as an “absentee ballot” and the person who votes that ballot has been called an “absentee voter.” This terminology is common in state law and comes from the concept that voters would use this option only when they were “absent” from their neighborhood polling place on Election Day. As time has gone on and more and more voters request a ballot in advance as their default voting method, and as states have begun offering more opportunities for voters to do so, the terminology has evolved. Some states refer to “advance ballots,” “mailed ballots,” “by-mail ballots,” “mail ballots” or “vote-by-mail ballots.”
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx
In the 2016 US Presidential election, approximately 33 million ballots were cast by postal vote, about a quarter of all ballots cast . Some jurisdictions used only vote-by-mail and others absentee votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting_in_the_United_States#Expansion_in_2020_election
Oregon has been voting solely by mail since 2000. Highest turnout state in elections. No sign of fraud.
Lads, where are yis going with your facts. You know they don’t mean diddly to the *ahem* ‘reality challenged’ out there….
here
plugged this into yesterdays States etc run on
anyway, here, from around 1.06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L35_w5poF8M&t=4358s
there’s about ten minutes on Postal Voting there
Two sources for the data on reported voter fraud with mailed in ballots
One inclined from each side
Quite an eye opener
Well I thought so anyway
Also worth noting the feature, Paul Pate, the Secretary of State of Iowa
Kinda their Returning Officer
A Republican, but an example that not all Republicans are the people you see under MAGA hats
Ok I’ll ignore the sneering above- it is juvenile at best.
@ Bertie, Cian, Nigel- two questions.
Why so many more mail in ballots this year?
And why if this is just run of the mill are the Republican lawyers drawing a distinction between them and absentee?
Which they are btw and must have some legal standing or they will be kicked to the kerb in the lowest court.
Democrats were far more likely to mail because of the difficulties in adhering to the mask/Covid etc restrictions. They respect it more. Fewer Republicans mail because many are anti mask/restrictions/everything and feel the need to walk to the polling stations with their chests held high.
“Why so many more mail in ballots this year?”
This can’t be a serious question.
1. Because the pandemic and an epic get-out-the-vote ground game from local organisers like Stacy Abrams. Feel like we’re going round in circles here.
2. Because they’re taking their cues from trump who has only a loose grip on important details that don’t concern him. He’s been blaming Democrat officials in charge of counting in places where the officials are actually Republican. Stuff like that.
3. Any actual cases brought to court wil almost certainly be kicked out because you need evidence or judges get mean and angry.
@ Charlie- some of that may be true but democrats were traditionally much more likely to use mail before this election apparently.
@ Nigel- It is a wait and see so. I would think the alleged prevention of count monitoring will be a bigger issue myself.
I’m not sure where that comes from but there’s certainly a lot more now than ever. This is totally due to the pandemic and their respect and understanding for the Covid restrictions. The swing in favor of Biden in the latter/crucial states now price that. 7 out of 10 mail voters are with Biden.
@SOQ
Why so many more mail in ballots this year?
you are just trolling at this stage.
They’ve been alleging that a lot, at multiple counting centres, the cases that got to court went nowhere. The safer assumption is they’re just lying and threatening in order to cause disruption and create a narrative for his supporters to believe no matter what happens, and if they had real evidence they’d present it.
Why did you ask this “why did the US not allow them in general elections before the current pandemic?”
If you already knew “democrats were traditionally much more likely to use mail before this election apparently.”?
The secretary of state for Pennsylvania gave a press conference last night where she clearly explained the security around postal votes and why this security means the count is taking so long. The Republicans have been throwing mud at Postal voting for months in a desperate attempt to have some of it stick. Now that they are losing they are throwing even more but their “evidence” is being patiently explained and their court cases dismissed. Last sting of a dying wasp.
It’s been around for a while SOQ. In the modern era, since 1978, in California. Five states were entirely mail-in before the pandemic (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah), and a further 29 permit ‘no-excuse’ mail-in voting; a further 16 allow it, if there is a valid excuse.
In the 2016 election, around 25% of voters did so by mail, and according to MIT, of those, only 0.00006% were fraudulent.
Fair point Lush but is there any stats on the increase in mail in votes this time around?
Republicans were shouting about this way before the election so something has changed. My reading is that states which were used to it returned figures early on but that states which were not, are much slower.
Why are you treating Republican shouting as if it was being done in good faith? Nobody can take them at face value and claim objectivity.
1. It was obvious that there would be increased mail-in voting during a pandemic.
2. That would lead to increased turnout.
3. Increased turnout traditionally favours Democrats.
4. Therefore mail-in voting fraud became an angle of attack.
5. That’s why Trump appointed a crony and defunded the postal service, durng a pandemic, before an election that would feature lots of mail-in voting.
6. These people are despicable, stop giving them credence.
Is there any stats on the increase in mail in votes this time around?
I haven’t seen a nationwide breakdown, only increases at state levels. Must be one somewhere.
President Donald Trump encourages North Carolina voters to vote twice (Sept 2020).
firstly by mail, then in person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1quAJ8nIAc
So none of you know how much the mail in % has increased and yet you are all certain that there is not any fraud.
It has been alleged that some states sent a ballot to every entry on their register- I mean seriously?
I am absolutely certain that no proof of widespread fraud has been presented anywhere despite lies and disinformation from the Trump camp, and you are engaing in baseless speculation based on those lies and disinformation. Before you repeated that allegation, for example, you should probably have checked whether it was true, credible, or even a significant indicator of potential fraud if true.
If you don’t know what % of the vote was by mail the how can you say that? Fraud is usually proved after the event, not during it.
And, the whole thing is so politically charged, it is hard to know who is really telling the truth. Take that incident in Philadelphia yesterday morning for example- according to the Republican lawyers, the sheriff refused to enforce the court order after the counting machine was moved- that is dodgy with a capital D.
Because that % is irrelevant to whether there is fraud or not.
It’s not that hard to assume, based on past experience, that nothing a Republican says at tios point can be taken at face value.
We won’t know what % are mail-in until after all votes are counted.
This says 65 million were received prior to election – so up to 50% are mail-in.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/us/elections/mail-ballot-counting-vote.html
Hilarious to see SOQ saying so you can’t prove there’s no fraud. Burden of proof is on the person making baseless accusations. That is the same person who decided years ago that there would be fraud and who is taking a completely different approach to the states where he was behind than where he was ahead.
Every time something doesn’t go Trump’s way he says its because everything is rigged against him and he’s be at it for years. Zero credibility and it is demeaning to even be having this discussion.
Republicans were shouting about this before the election because it was more likely that democrat supporters would vote by post and it gave people a way to avoid voter suppression tactics (up to 12 hours wait to vote in person in some places). Attacking mailing votes vocally for months also meant Republicans were even less likely to vote by mail. This tees up the current situation for Republicans to try an eliminate postal votes knowing it benefits them.
Why the increase in postal voting? A little thing called Covid-19 which is another reason Biden voters used postal votes more than Trump supporters.
In percentage terms postal votes are about Double what they were in 2016 (up from 34% to 68%)
SOQ, some of the problems stem from the fact that the legisation in a number of States (Pennesylvania for instance) means that the postal ballots CANNOT be counted until the votes cast in person on the actual day have been counted. So in Pennesylvania they didn’t start counting until after 8pm on Tuesday. And given they had over 2 million ballots to count.
There is also the question of overseas ballots, both the military and those living abroad.
And yes, I have no doubt that the COVID factor has played a large role too.
Re the stats, this might help SOQ https://en.as.com/en/2020/10/01/latest_news/1601573475_873575.html
Thanks for the response Lush- and a decent one too.
I think that part of the problem is that there is no standardised means of voting counting across all counties and states which appears very unorganised to an outside eye.
Did fraud occur? Highly likely- but the question is how much and by whom
“Highly likely” he says based on no evidence whatsoever and in the face of repeated statements from those doing the counting that they have seen no evidence of any.
Repeat a lie often enough.
You have no basis whatsoever for claiming it is ‘highly likely.’
There is evidence that it may have happened though.
In fairness Nigel and Bertie both pumped Russia gate without a shred of evidence so we’re all guilty of it now and then.
That’s a lie Pat. I never pushed Russiagate.
Yes you did.
Everybody ‘pushed’ Russiagte, except Pat, who, oddly enough, is the only person who keeps bringing up Russiagate.
I bring it up because it consistently shows you to be a hypocrite.
I continually raise it as I’ve asked you for certain details on it, for which you claim to be in the Mueller report, and you never outline them.
Further making you look silly.
Well, you don’t really ever seem to have anything else to say, so whatever makes you happy.
To you I don’t.
I comment elsewhere all the time. You rarely do. Anything Trump related and you’re all over it.
You’re deranged for Trump.
That’s hardly your concern, Russiagate Man.
That’s my opinion champ. You probably know it yourself anyway.
No I didn’t Pat.
But if you can provide proof to back up your claim then I guess I won’t be able to call you a liar from here out.
Yes you did. I repeatedly asked you whether the FBI or any state body examined the DNC server, your response was the Mueller report, just like Nigel. You repeated this several times.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/03/25/im-gonna-set-it-straight-this-watergate-2/
One example of plenty.
Is that what Russiagate is? The
Mueller report into Russian interference? I genuinely didn’t know.
I can tell you that, like you changing your username, I have changed my opinion on Trump being Putin’s creature. I have no doubt Putin was happier with Trump in power than he would have been with Clinton but I don’t believe he was controlling Trump in any way, shape or form.
Of course that doesn’t change the conclusions of the Mueller report.
Different states have different rules for postal votes. Some can’t legally start counting until the polls have closed and that’s why Trump is stropping like a cranky toddler. Dems used the mail in option more than Reps so the states who couldn’t count mail ins until later gave Trump an initial lead but the mail ins are eating in to it and overturning it which is why his fanclub is screaming Fraud when it’s nothing of the sort.
No, you see for a legal challenge you need to stand up in front of a judge with sworn testimony and evidence. For internet comments you can repeat any old lie from Trump you like.
Trump is correct about media bias ‘suppression polls’ we see it here all the time. In fact there will probably be FFG v Green v SF poll this weekend putting Varadkar up by 2% or some such guff.
The polling companies argue that Trump has been bad mouthing them for so long that when they ring his supporters, or who they assume are his supporters, they just hang up. If one side isn’t giving their opinion then that opinion is not recorded in the opinion polls meaning they are skewed and then Trump can bad mouth them again making the situation even worse.
Either that or Trump supporters are too embarrassed to admit it when asked.
He actually never really got anything done,domestic or international,it was all bs.Great outcome,how can he claim fraud when republicans on same ballot won,what happened was republicans voted for Biden and Lindsay Graham,instead Trump and Graham,split ticket.
Kinda ruins the fraud claims,so many R wins!
The same is true in Maine too, with Collins getting reelected, but Biden winning the state.
Over reporting a candidates popularity in the run up to a election risks a lower turnout among their supporters and is likely to motivate supporters of the other side to get out and vote.
Trump’s argument makes no sense.
Are they still abusing children in that pizzeria in Washington or did Trump take care of that?
Well he took care of the pizza anyway.
And the side of wings, wedges and a malt shake – €5!
Then him and Uma Thurman danced to Chuck Berry…..although I might be mixing that up with something else?
Did you not hear from Bodger yesterday….?
Any day now…..
Any day? That pizza will be freezing. Surely a case for getting it for free?
JFK Jnr will deliver at the 11th hour!
With free vaccines for everyone! Yaaaay!
Do they make these young conservative lads in a lab somewhere? They all have a particular look to them
Everyone born with a suspicious IQ deficiency south of the North Carolina border have a part of their brain removed at birth.
Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder.
And so it begins.
First step is ridicule,make him a laughing stock…
John Legend and Chrissy trolling Trump at 6 am or 3 am in LA..
What trump did was expose some the corruption,the mastermind of Cali’s recent anti worker laws,is the dem x transport sec. for Obama and Biden….
https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1324646448038768642?s=21
Squad had a fantastic day,McCain bit Trump in ass from his grave in Az,poetic in many ways.
‘Here’s where things stand at 6:40 am ET.
*Joe Biden erases Donald Trump’s lead in Georgia. Biden now up by 1,096 votes.
*Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania shrinks to 18,229. Over 160,000 ballots uncounted.
*Biden still leads in Ariz. by 1.6% and Nevada by 0.9%’
https://twitter.com/nycjim/status/1324677386135359489
Nevada,Biden up 11,000.
NC looking like Trump.
From a pal in the States:
“I am so disappointed with my Grandpa. He voted for Biden. When he was alive, he was a staunch Republican.”
Genuine LOL- very good.
Funny if true, because that was a line from The Simpsons.
More Charger ‘originality’ so.
…the Simpsons seem to know a thing or two about US politics…
They made a new Simpsons episode in the last few days ?
They normally take months to create.
The dingleberries are getting agitated again.
Heh,heh,heh.
It’s not exactly a fresh new joke. The Grandpa probably heard it when he was a kid.
When you go for a fun night out with your pals do you have a favourite telephone booth where you both meet up ?
When you go for a fun night with your pals do the rows of glassy-eyed porcelain Victorian dolls have their own voices or do you do their voices for them?
Jeez – don’t give up the day job.
If you ever get one …
‘What’s that Lady Toodlepip? Is the mean man an unemployed lower class Irish oik? Why yes, Lady Toodlepip, I do rather think he is! More tea Mrs Flibbington? And when is that hadsome tin soldier Major Flibbington coming home from the Crimea?’
All evidence of election fraud would be handed to the electoral commission and the FBI, the FBI still has Republicans working in key positions. Let’s wait and see if any of it has been scrutinized. Again, what some Trump supporters are suggesting would be the biggest election fraud in history, I just don’t see Bidens team or anyone related to it attempting to pull this kind of a stunt off. It would be so brazen and reckless.
This has also been a record breaking turnout for a US election, so the numbers have shocked many who are thinking about typical numbers for elections.
There’s a report that the Trump campaign sent emails urging supporters to send in late absentee ballots. There’s the fraud.
The United States of Throw a lawsuit at it and see what happens.
Exactly and what is surprising to us is how politically partisan the judiciary appear to be.
Trump has spent his entire life throwing lawsuits at everything that stands in his way. His failure rate is very high. He owes many millions. Once he’s out of office, I suspect he’ll be under incredible pressure. He’ll no longer be able to hide behind his abused privileged position. His game show will continue. Hopefully it ends with him behind bars and his phone removed.
That’s not as foreign a concept as you suggest.
Edit: this is not a reply to the above comment, should be under SOQs comment about the partisan nature of US supreme court.
Apologies.
Possibly seany but it is not worn on the sleeves as blatantly here.
He’s just absolutely desperate to get the election decided by a Supreme Court he packed just for this purpose. I hope the justices he appointed are squirming a bit at this marker being called in so publicly and repeatedly.
So if it gets to the Supreme court and they rule in his favour- you are saying the highest court in the land is corrupt?
I’m saying Trump is counting on it being corrupt – though nobody seems to think it’s likely to get that far, no matter what Trump says.
The US Supreme court is partisan. When there s a split in their opinion it is generally down party lines – the Republican-nominated judges take one side and the Democrat nominated the other.
Huh? It will most likely be dumped out of court. Most everything Trump attempts to throw litigation at ends up in the toilet. Btw, it’s no coincidence Trump had Amy Coney Barret rushed into the Supreme Court position. He’s some piece of work.
Delicious watching Trump slowly choking.
Nice that the media has started treating him like a constant liar who makes fake claims and ignorant comments all the time. Pity they waited until he was (touch wood) on his way out.
That’s not even close to true.
They scoured the thesaurus for new euphemisms for ‘lying.’
Oi Kiddo. How much fun is it watching the baby slowly choking to death on his pacifier? :-)
Biden now leading in Pennsylvania.
Ummm
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324710866516905984
Decision Desk HQ projects that @JoeBiden has won Pennsylvania and its 20 electoral college votes for a total of 273.
Joe Biden has been elected the 46th President of the United States of America.
Race called at 11-06 08:50 AM EST
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
Nice to see Bodger’s going all in on Team Making Fake Claims Of Fraud To Delegitimise The Votes Of Democrats.
“Election Fraud” will be the Republican’s version of “Won the Popular Vote” from 2016.
Except one is true and other isn’t.
Acknowledging that distinction is going to be a useful metric, going forward.
@ Nige – you don’t actually know it’s not true. You simply believe it’s not true. I’m not saying it is. I’m correctly saying at this time, I don’t know. You don’t know either but like many here you’ve already made up your minds, which is quite telling. The onus is though on the Trump campaign to now provide the objectively verifiable evidence to support their myriad of claims.
You do know that no credible evidence has been presented. You know that. That is the truth. You don’t have to make up your mind about anything, it is simply known, and true, and until evidence emerges, it remains true, and anyone not treating the Trump cliams with the appropriate level of skepticism is just play-acting.
@ Nige – “You do know that no credible evidence has been presented. You know that. That is the truth”. No, I don’t. The count is still ongoing. It’s far too early to make an assessment of the claims made. I’ve heard lots of reports of observers being refused access to vote counts or late votes being included, undated votes and so, which would be an issue, but it’s too early yet to say if these claims have any basis or not, and even if they have a baiss, were they such to impact on the otucome of the election. It would have to be a pretty extensive and massive fraud to that I think. I also don’t deny that Trump could be opportunistically fabricating the whole thing, just as we saw and I called out the Dems for doing on RussiaGate. The burden rests now with the Trump campaign to substantiate their claims, just as it did with the Dems. Failing which, yes, we can conclude it was a complete fabrication.
“anyone not treating the Trump cliams with the appropriate level of skepticism is just play-acting” except, I am sceptical of his claims. I am though honest enough to say that right now, I don’t know if there was election fraud or not. You also don’t know but you are then selecting the narrative that suits your own bias. You are now dismissing outright the possibility of election fraud. Why? Well, because it’s Trump’s side making the claim and the entire media is telling you these claims are “baseless”. They may be, but neither you nor me nor the media actually know at this point in time.
It’s not too early to assess the credibility of the source of these claims. If you need the MSM to tell you that he’s a crook, a liar and a cheat, then maybe you should, in fact, be paying more attention to the MSM, because he’s never been anything else. We know that Trump is making the claims, therefore the chances that the claims are baseless is extremely high, close to certain. Evidence or GTFO.
(Nice try making a Russiagate equivalence though, speaking of your fake objectivity.)
@ Nige – “Nice try making a Russiagate equivalence though, speaking of your fake objectivity.”- how does my reference remove objectivity? You don’t still believe that cooked up evidence free conspiracy theory unsupported by a single objectively verifiable piece of evidence do you? If the Trump campaign and others do not provide some pretty decent evidence to support their claims in the next day or two, I think we can then with reasonable certainty that he had nothing. You’ve just decided because it’s Trump that it cannot be true. Is it that you don’t think the Dems would ever do that, or is it because it’s just untrue because Trump has said it?
And there we have it- Nigel the modern day Left winger- if it’s not in MSM then it doesn’t exist. Except MSM are either in the pocket of the big corporations or are actually part of them and when the PC lip service is ignored- Biden is just as right wing, if not more so, than Trump.
There is a reason why Trump has so much traditionally Democrat working class support Nigel- would you like to explain why that is?
No, SOQ if it’s not being presented legally under oath in court then it doesn’t exist.
Trump does not have the support of the working class. Trump’s core support comes from people who are well off, non college educated.
Matty, I have decided that because it’s Trump the likelihood of it being true is vanishingly small.
As for Russiagate, all I know is that Republican investigator appointed by a Republican official reported that Russia attempted to interfere with the 2016 election in Trump’s favour and the Trump campaign made efforts to collude with them. None of that came from the Dems or the MSM, I note.
So Trump’s blue collar vote- especially in the rust belt- just like the Latinos- has not increased is it?
The gays with no money hate him too obviously- are you sure about all of that?
It may have. Neither form the bulk of his base. A majority of blue-collar white and the vast bulk of blue collar black, gay, latino, asian, Native American voted Biden.
I haven’t seen figures for LGBTQ. Can’t imagine he’s popular with them, no.
Matty, I have decided that because it’s Nigel the likelihood of Russiagate being true is vanishingly small.
Nigel has no idea whether Russia gate took place.
I’ve asked him repeatedly to prove me wrong.
I know that a Republican investigator appointed by a Republican official concluded that Russia attempted interference and Trump attempted to conspire with them. So that happened. Prove me wrong.
How did Trump attempt to conspire with them?
It’s in the Report Pat, have you seriously not read it?
Seriously Nigel!? He’s an absolute spoofer of the highest order. I’m amazed anyone even attempts to converse with the echo. I’ve let myself down :-).
Cheer up Charlie it’s not the end of the world
I want you to tell me Nigel. I’ve read the report. I want you to outline this collusion.
You’ve said that twice now and it still doesn’t make the Russiagate hoax true.
Who was convicted specifically for colluding at the conclusion of this Republican led investigation?
Please don’t answer with a lie or a half truth, or mention a name of anyone that was only convicted of a Process crime. Thanks.
I have faith. One day he’ll say something original. One day he’ll move out of his rut and escape the loop of relentlessly repeated code-words that are largely incomprehensible outside of whatever chan or reddit he learns them from. Poor thing. He can do it.
There were no convictions as a result of the Meuller report, Italia (collusion is not a crime – Mueller decided not to bring charges of Conspiracy). What conclusions you draw from that, having read the report, I leave to you.
Edit – well, there were mutliple indictments and convictions of individuals in Trump’s employ and campaign and administration that came about as a result of the investigation, but not directly for the crime of Conspiracy.
So you’ve zero.
Except mountains of tinfoil.
I think that week between Barr announcing that the Report exonerated Trump and the Report being released must have truly been such a golden magical time for you that you want to endlessly recreate it.
Rather, one was irrelevant, the other we don’t yet know whether it’s true or not. You can see the all consuming bias of commenters such as yourself, and indeed the media who have all called his claims “baseless” despite no investigation having taken place yet. We simply don’t know yet. That’s a fact. Good of them though to tell people like you precisely what to think. Both Reps and Dems are absolute gangster parties. Your absolute confidence that the Dems would never engage in election fraud is childlike in its innocence. These are the parties who when in government both start illegal and murderous coups, overthrow democratically elected governemnts, engage in resource grabbing wars resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead men, women and children, drone bomb some of the poorest regions in the world etc..but yeah, they’d never engage in election fraud. They may not have, but neither you, nor me, or anyone on this site actually knows yet.
Taking Trump accusations and claims at face value and in good faith is the fakest of fake objectivity. He is just not credible. There is no cause for investigation. Consequently, as and until hard proof is presented in a court of law, it’s baseless. Meanwhile all the evidence for voter supression and deliberate disenfranchisement is right there for everyone to see. You want to see less foreign adventures by the US, I’d suggest that’s where you start.
@ Nige – “Taking Trump accusations and claims at face value and in good faith is the fakest of fake objectivity. He is just not credible. There is no cause for investigation.” – I agree, one should never take anything Trump, or indeed any US presidential candiate says, at face value. Except of course that is precisely what people like you did with RussiaGate. It should be noted that there are other people making these claims, not just Trump, though that in no way substantiates them either.
“There is no cause for investigation” Well, you definitely do not know that anyway. That is your own bias displayed completely in one sentence.
“You want to see less foreign adventures by the US, I’d suggest that’s where you start.” Sorry, what makes you think every eligible person in the US getting to vote would stop their global imperialism, as pursued by both parties? That train keeps running on the same tracks no matter who is elected.
To coin a truism, there is no cause until there is cause. The rest is noise.
Oh, meant to answer the last bit. Progressive policies and ideas are hugely popular with the US electorate, but woefully locked out of legislation and representation on the political level, largely due to structural inequalities such as the EC and widespread voter supression and disenfranchisement and political funding issues. If the massive anti-war protests against Iraq were anything to go by, a proper representation of the electorate would shrink the military and eschew military adventurism. That’s my theory anyway, and why whatever else he does, we need Biden to at least begin the process of electoral reform.
Without getting too protestant- some people type too much to say so little.
Holy Jesus, Fox News is saying he’s going to concede? I refuse to believe it…
…hoorah…democracy at last…oh wait…
Nah, more lawsuits and allegations without presenting any evidence.
…well…holy jesus never needed any evidence…
OTOH holey jesus had evidence
Now who’s being cryptic and inane?
So you’re saying Jo Jorgensen is out now? And Kanye?!
Didn’t Kanye concede on Wednesday when he announced his plans to run again in ’24?
He’s waiting for Jesus to give him new instructions. Did you see him on Joe Rogan, good God! It was the most awkward interview I’ve ever seen. The poor guy has learning disabilities.
Thaaats more like it:
‘Trump has signaled to allies that the Secret Service will have to drag him from the White House kicking and screaming’
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/1324852450109624322
How are they coping, you ask:
‘Fox News is instructing its talent not to call Joe Biden the “President-elect” when the network calls the race’
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1324721461458800641
…never mind what Fox call him Nigel…he’ll be the one in charge…back to old agenda of bombing and regime change…
Dammit that’s Putin’s job!
…nah…he was the one prevented crooked Hillary from her plan for regime change in Syria…
Good job Putin, things going well there.
@ Nige – “Good job Putin, things going well there.” – so, you wanted the Western and Gulf State backed wahhabist groups to overthrow Assad and take over Syria?
No I wanted an international coalition to cut off arms exports and impose sanctions and bring about a ceasefire and sent in observers and humanitarian NGOs, like Obama proposed, but everyone else decided that was a terrible idea.
Why not just leave Syria alone?
Lybia as an example.
Why not leave the entire Middle East alone? Oh yeah, because of the oil we’re using the roast the planet.
There’s v little oil in Syria, why not leave it alone, why are you shrieking for intervention?
Literally just said to leave it all alone, Pat, are you even reading?
Custard can’t read. Copy n pasting and echo chambering is his only ammo.
Charlie Chester hanging off my coat tails yet again.. The warmth I get off the knowledge that I’m roosting cosily in your warped little mind, rent-free ❤️
Nigel, that’s not what you said, you called for intervention.. With the possibility of peace, why not leave Syria alone, there’s peace there right now..?
I outlined what I would have supported many years ago when it was a viable option and there was some urgency, Pat. Now they’re at the mercy of Putin and Assad, and nobody is in a position to anything about it even if they could.
Theres peace in Syria Nigel, are you not happy about that??
You have never called for direct withdrawal, always a form of intervention with direct or indirect military involvement.
That agenda never changed. Drone strike rates increased under Trump.
…I don’t think Trump started any new wars…Biden and his boss bombed 8 countries…
Trump dronings good, Obama dronings bad,
With goalpost shifting skills like that you should give the Aviva a shout.
To be fair, Trump’s drone strike and bombing record is pretty atrocious. Also, wouldn’t put it past him to move against Iran if re-elected. It is though clear Clinton would have brought us to the brink of something much worse in Syria had she been elected.
“Biden and his Boss’ Republican predecessor GW Bush Jnr started wars, not least by Invading Iraq and murdered tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children for a lie and created unrest that still exists today“. Fixed that for ya.
…thanks Charlie…forgotten about George…and the Clintons…and Obama/Biden…isn’t it strange that the least hawkish would be Trump…any chance you could fix it for the millions they killed and displaced…one thing is certain though…whoever becomes President in the US its bad news for the rest of the world…lose:lose…
Only if you ignore climate change.
Joe Biden voted for every military budget under Trump, the US military is the biggest polluter on the planet.
Boooom! Nice one centurion :-)
Just watching this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCsZU-tzQ5o
People taking selfies with their compulsory masks is a bit weird- full female coverage next?
…no doubt your hero Biden will pay lip service to climate change…but continue to ignore it like a good yank…
I’ll take a chance with someone who thinks its real and has expressed an intention to do something about it over someone who denies it exists and works to reverse what’s been done and strips the environment of protections. Oh, and who also expanded the US military budget massively.
…I’ll place my hopes with Greta and the young ones who know climate change is real and will not be ignored…they are sick taking chances with ‘leaders of the free world’…
They’ll keep the pressure on, for sure.
@Pat: Joe Biden did what now?
@Nigel: Who signed off on every military budget and all the other Trump budget increases?
The US military is the single biggest polluter in the world.
Joe Biden will not stop fracking for the next four years.
Good luck with your faux outrage at the destruction of the environment.
Joe Biden voted for every military budget over spend under Trump. Every single one. As did Liz Warren.
…even for you Nigel…that’s a pretty nasty remark…
Excuse me, I support and admire young climate activists and meant no irony and wholeheartedly agree that they are the hope for the future. I really meant it – and Biden is far more likely to be amenable to pressure and persuasion from them than Trump.
And your evidence for this?
Other than pandering platitudes.. He was vp under Obama..?
Ahaaaa…Echoman is looking for evidence. Oh the irony.
Italia – Biden is better for the environment than Trump. If you want to defend Trump from an environmental point of view, go ahead.
Uh, Biden was not in office under Trump?
Biden voted for every military budget over spend under Trump.
Yeah, Pat, and the Obama administration created rafts of environmental regulations, which Trump spent most of his time undoing.
Such as?
Look it up, Pat. If you actually want to directly defend Trump’s environmental record, have at it. Otherwise you’re just sniping.
In other words you can’t state these supposed policies as you don’t know..
Only in your head Nigel, only in your head.
Because you are so partisan and subjective on all matters DNC.
You Limerick lads crack me up. “It’s in the report!”
You’re like the guards from that scene in D’unbelievables.
“it’s in de book lads, ye can’t be doin dat”
@Pat: Biden never voted for any of Trumps budgets because he stopped being a senator when he became VP for Obama in 2008.
Fair enough, I retract that one and apologise.
I’m correct about Warren. Whom Nigel stated was his preferred candidate.
Italia, we went through all this with the report when it came out and I think rehashing it with people who ultimately don’t actually care is pointless. Russiagate wasn’t even a blip on the radar this election, hasn’t been an issue in, what, over two years? But Pat keeps saying it over and over again but never anything substantial, and no interest in an actual discussion (I’ve tried.) So, read the report or GTFO. Meanwhile I await anyone foolhardy enough to try defending Trump’s environmental record.
JAYSUS! https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1324729531173928961
…CNN now reporting that a nat def airspace established over Biden in Wilmington, first trappings of the presidency:)
The End.
Georgia going for a recount.
Gabriel Sterling, aide to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, who overseees voting for the state said the reason for the recount is due to how close the race is, and that they have not seen “any widespread irregularities” that would indicate foul play.
I tell ya… 2020 has thrown up a lot of strange things.. but Broadsheet taking a hard shift to the right is not one I saw coming!
Roll on 2021 when we can get back to pig parkers and things that look like Ireland!
+1
One other thing I hadn’t though about is the “Faithless Elector”
There are real people that have the Electoral Votes: they are the Electors – and they as supposed to cast the Electoral vote as the people choose…. but they can do whatever they want. So the Georgia Electors could ignore the presidential vote and cast their vote for Trump!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
“There are suspicious partisans across the spectrum who believe widespread election fraud is possible. … But stealing hundreds of thousands of votes would require a conspiracy on the scale of a James Bond movie. That isn’t going to happen”
Who said that? Anyone??
Question now is – how long before Melania divorces him (if you’ve been watching the body language over the years….)
Can you really read anything from the body language of a body double?
#FreeMelania
She made her bed willingly. No sympathy for her.
You are clearly not part of the Irish lesbian golf circuit.
+1 Zero pity for her greedy ass.
I doubt they’ll divorce. He’s probably convinced her she’ll be deported if she even thinks about it.
Deporting the wife of a former president is as likely as the current electoral controversy reaching the supreme court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlPtaPxXfc
She’s a helluva lot smarter than he is. No doubt about it. For her it’ll all depend on what she can continue to grift inside or outside the marriage.
Nope- they are a team- whatever that means- only they know.
But why such much focus on her rather than Biden’s partner in a Chinese muzzle?
Hmm… I dunno. How smart can she be to have ended up with him? She’s quite striking; surely she could have married someone with a little more emotional wherewithal.
…which suggests she’s more interested in the wherewithal…without the emotional baggage.
But yes, she’s made her bed.
My point is, couldn’t she have had both, a wealthy man of good character? She’s an attractive woman. Why saddle herself with an emotional cripple.
Have you seen her gardener or the bod on her tennis coach, in West Palm Beach?
I’d nearly do them both myself, even if it meant putting up with Mango psychopath.
:)
That report Nigel, has well and truly been Fisked and has more holes than Varadkars’ colander.
If you recall. Mueller forgot to read the report that he put his signature to and couldn’t answer any questions under oath.
The report was actually put together by FBI Director McCabe to cover his and everyone else’s ass that lied with regards to all the illegally obtained Fisa warrants.
Mueller was too scared to go before a House Judiciary Committee and the Permanent Subcommittee on Intelligence, and then when he did give testimony under oath, remember this..
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/24/20708503/robert-mueller-testimony-winners-losers
That’s how dishonest he was. Don’t get me started on all the laws he broke as a Fed Prosecutor or the completely debunked 100% fictional Steele Dossier. The big lie started by Robby Mook, John Podesta, James Comey and J Brennan.
Gawd that was too funny to be true. Turns out it was based on an alcoholic Russian guy’s bar stool conversation with a Russian employee of the Brookings institute. You know the guys who never met a war they didn’t like.
Anyway, I’m glad that your happy that Biden is going to be the next Prez.
I look forward to debunking the reasons for war with Iran or some other poor country in the ME or South East Asia.
Maybe you’ll switch over from Bad man Putin to Bad man Xi now that it’s rumoured that Putin has Parkinson’s and will be off the scene in the new year, once CNN/Wapo or NBC/NYTmes tells you the talking points from the Pentagon that you will unquestioningly and willingly repeat ad nauseum.
Leaving aside all the posturing there are legitimate concerns of the possibility of fraud with the postal vote.
For example:
Some states accepted postal ballots after the polls had closed – provided they were postmarked before the polls closed. Very easy to fake a postmark
At least 10 states (California, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Washington and West Virginia) accept ballots with missing or illegible postmarks that arrive after Election Day. That’s nuts
They didn’t leave the polling station doors open until the queue had ended
How about all of yiz go feck yerselves.
‘NBC News confirms at least 122,365 new COVID cases have been reported in the U.S. today, eclipsing yesterday’s previous single-day record of 121,289 cases.’
https://twitter.com/AliVelshi/status/1324860788964790275
Biden Bonus – the Brexiteers are currently losing their minds.