The roll call included this surreal moment where someone tried to channel the spirit of the absent @MarcMacsharryTD. pic.twitter.com/cCShOC6aou
— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) July 14, 2021
Tonight.
Earlier…
I am so proud of my vaccinated friends and family members who are going to the protest at Convention Centre tonight. They have had enough 👊
— 🌸🌸N.E.M.🌸🌸 (@Elizabeth211270) July 14, 2021
This evening.
MoRhustyDilis writes:
Convention centre now. Much bigger crowd. Approx 500 and growing. Rise people.
Earlier…
Dr Tony Holohan during this afternoon’s briefing at the Department of Health
.@rtenews CMO, Dr Tony Holohan says to parents, it’s safer not to bring your children into indoor dining. He says the option of outdoor dining is there. He has urged people who are not vaccinated to stay away from dangerous environments.
— Fergal Bowers (@FergalBowers) July 14, 2021
Um.
Earlier…
This evening.
The Dail at the Convention Centre, Dublin.
Mr Donnelly praised the Irish people for their “amazing solidarity and togetherness” in dealing with the pandemic.
Closing the debate on the bill [to allow bars,restaurants and cafés to resume indoor service only for those who are fully vaccinated], Mr Donnelly said there is an opportunity to get people back to work safely, and that it is an act of solidarity to support them to do so.
“Let’s get people back to work … we need to take that opportunity. Primarily, it’s about trusting people to do the right thing“, he said, while noting that the bill does provide for enforcement of the new rules.
The bill will be voted on tonight. It will also extend the system of hotel quarantine until 9 October, with an option for a single additional extension of a further three months.
Government taking ‘sensible’ approach to indoor hospitality – Donnelly (RTÉ)
Earlier…
From top: Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly; Alan Kelly, Labour Party leader, in the Dáil at the Convention centre this afternoon
“We’re all in this together… that ends tonight,” says Labour’s Alan Kelly. “I’ve rarely ever seen a piece of legislation that’s so badly handled. You’ve made a Hames of this; It’s a shambles. I’m not sure Government ministers even know what’s in it.”
— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) July 14, 2021
This afternoon.
Watch live here.
Earlier…
NEW: @Toibin1 is seeking signatories for a letter to @PresidentIRL asking him to refer hospitality legislation to the Supreme Court, citing conflict with Articles 40.1, 40.3.1° and 2° and 15.2.1°.
“Discriminatory policies can never be the answer to even the most trying of times”
— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) July 14, 2021
This afternoon.
Earlier…
From top: Dublin city centre last month; Tanaiste Leo Varadkar
This morning.
Further to legislation expected to be passed in the Dáil this afternoon that will see the unvaxxed denied entry to pubs and restaurants….
Via The Irish Mirror:
The legislation will see the resumption of indoor dining reopening in three phases.
Phase one will allow fully vaccinated people or a person who has recovered from Covid-19 allowed to dine indoors.
Phase two will see people allowed indoors with a negative PCR test.
Phase three will see those with a negative antigen test allowed inside pubs.
If you’ve recovered from Covid-19- you will be allowed to dine and drink indoors for up to 6 months from the original date of infection.
Meanwhile….
The Tànaiste said Gardai will not be checking every person at every table in a pub but it will be possible for enforcement officers to check log books.
He said the system is not “foolproof” and “we’re not trying to catch people out.”
Tourism Minister Catherine Martin has said Covid compliance officers [there are around 350 environmental health officers, 70 who monitor workplaces for the HSE] would be given access to pubs and restaurants …
Irish pubs update: Likely new rules as punters still won’t be able to drink at bar *irish Mirror)
Pubs told no pints at the bar but time rules may change (Independent.ie)
Meanwhile…
Via Irish Times:
“The Government must seriously consider how impulsively laying the foundations for a system that creates an infrastructure aimed at segregating individuals based on their health could be used in the future.
“The new legislation uses the term “indoor settings” and provides for settings outside of hospitality to be brought into the system. It is also unclear how long this “temporary” system will be in place, and the Government has shown a worrying tendency to retain emergency measures throughout the pandemic.
“It seems it is intended that the EU Covid-19 Certificate will now be adapted for access to domestic indoor settings. However, the European Data Protection Board and the European Data Protection Supervisor have previously warned that any member state that uses the certificate for purposes other than facilitating free movement between EU member states “may lead to unintended consequences and risks to the fundamental rights of EU citizens”…
…The Government’s proposal also poses risks to community relations and undermines the solidarity that the Government has emphasised throughout its Covid response. Consider the rural restaurateurs who will have to ask their neighbours for private medical information and refuse or deny them access to their premises on that basis. Not to mention the staff who will be asked to work in premises they would not be allowed enter otherwise.”
Liam Herricks, Executive Director of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL)
Rushed law on indoor hospitality recipe for disaster (Liam Herricks, Irish Times)
Yesterday: Can’t We Just Sit Down And Talk It Over?
Meanwhile…
This is exactly what happens to Politicians, Doctors, Professors, Scientists, Journalists, and indeed ANYONE who questions NPHET. pic.twitter.com/rZzYDGb8Ac
— Dr. Marcus De Brun (@indepdubnrth) July 14, 2021
too funny I know that lovely girl top right
Splendid; further nuances, i.e. complications.
Regarding Phase 3, does this mean it is government policy to introduce antigen testing like they said they would last November, and against Dr. Tony Holohan’s public pronouncements?
Then why are PCR tests going to be used first?
Indeed why are PCR tests being used at all, contrary to practice elsewhere?
Excrement when nuanced, is nonetheless still excrement.
I’m looking forward to heading out into town with my forged .pdf
and I’m going to do it deliberately, for sport, just to be contrarian
+1
I’ll be doing the same.
And sure if it doesn’t work, all the craic happens outside the pub and in the smoking area anyway! ;-)
Be grand…
+ 1. We should go en masse and on a pub crawl.
I rather fancy a rake of pints
whatever your viewpoint on C19…
the sight and sound of some people allowing themselves to be kowtow’d in this manner is fairly shocking to me
I do wonder if deep down many like and want to be subservient?
dark times
Nah, we just don’t want liars spreading diseases.
liars
they’re everywhere Daisy and I don’t like them either
especially the ones who use a pandemic as a handy pretext to ram in structures serviceable for a state of the art surveillance system
right under our nosesin plain sightAnd there’s the antivaxx paranoia again. Why do you think you’re worth surveilling?
you appear to misunderstand
I’m not stating any opinion whatsoever on vaccines or otherwise here Daisy and I refute the accusation of paranoia
you can have my token assurance that I know my subjectmatter well which is the domain of privacy and information systems, that’s the only subject I’m interested in here
these things are NOT intertwined
as regards why do I think I’m worth surveilling? why would government agencies like to improve their current capability to understand their citizens behaviours? and why should citizens resist their government’s attempts to achieve this very aim? well frankly that’s my business and not yours. and that’s the very point. privacy. thousands of books available on the subject, I’m not here to lecture anyone but I would ask you to consider for a moment why you or I don’t sign off our posts to Broadsheet with our name/address/email/telephone number? sure if you have nothing to fear, why not? I’ll give you a short answer – you don’t trust Broadsheet to have it and you don’t trust your fellow Broadsheeters to know it – and that would be 110% correct of you in my view. and it’s really the same story here. I only trust our Government to know as little about me as is necessary. I have no intention of voluntarily affording them better capability in that regard, put a smile on the likes of Varadker and Regina’s faces as I go? and their mates? All so I can participate in life this summer, for an oul meal out? they can FRO
is that really how cheap privacy is to you?
” I would ask you to consider for a moment why you or I don’t sign off our posts to Broadsheet with our name/address/email/telephone number?”
Check…
Mate
That’s a really excellent comment goldenbrown. Well said, my friend.
“I do wonder if deep down many like and want to be subservient?”
Perhaps Loki was on the ball ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3CZExnn8MI
there’s good money in it I hear,
so as you know I used to manage apartments, I was contacted by an American to clear his recently deceased Mums place and prepare it for guests, he told me just to keep what I wanted and throw the rest but it needed to be done sharpish,
So I head down there and start boxing up, to my surprise that involved packing a lot of masks, strap ons, whips, leather, some fabulous corsets etc, I already had my man with a van coming to move everything to storage until I could go through it for charity etc, he wasn’t my regular guy and he seemed to think it was a personal move, anyway we head off to storage and when we get there and open the door half the boxes had been stacked so badly that they had fallen and spilt the contents everywhere, me saying it wasn’t mine didn’t wash at all, morto.
Well I hope you at least had courtesy to call the guy and thank him for the array of strap ons, dildos and whips that you got to keep from his mom’s place. “Rest assured, your mom’s memory will be kept alive. I’ll think of her every time I use them..”
lol I hadn’t the heart to tell him what his Ma was up to… Californians eh ?
Hehehehehe
Oh man – I think I’d just run away if that happened to me.
ah that’s a great little war story Janet, love it!
nothing feckin interesting like that ever happens to me anymore
harumph
did you check for a gimp room? there may still be some poor lad in a secret closet somewhere..
he runs the EMBRYOLISSE
LAIT-CRÈME CONCENTRÉ
on its skin
* rubs … damn it
Just sue the any place to discriminate based on access to healthcare.
Be handy few grand that I suspect settles before court.
Yes it’s not the business communities fault but if they choose to enforce it they are complicit.
Pubs and restaurants are letting themselves down here with their lack of push back.
If they don’t comply with this new law they can be fined.
If the do comply with the new law they can be sued.
i have a real one.
nya-nya, nya-nya-nya..
pics or it didn’t happen
Yeah – Really hi-res neatly cropped pics please ;)
The Tànaiste said the system is not “foolproof” and “we’re not trying to catch people out.”
Err yes- that’s exactly what the checks are for- otherwise why the two and a half grand fines?
And if antigen is more accurate at identifying infectiousness, then surely they should be used first?
The whole thing is BS.
Have you been vaccinated, SOQ?
Not for CoVid-19- I react badly to vaccines.
So- for all those who like to throw out the label ‘anti vaxxer’- did you ever use the term before CoVid-19 came along?
https://www.tiktok.com/@quianawhite/video/6982954517708999942
Interestingly the term “anti vaxx” reached it’s peak on Google Trends search terms in February 2019
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=anti%20vaxx
So it’s a very new term and was never really searched for before 2018.
Oxford dictionary says the term has been around since mid 19th century. Go figure.
Don’t ask for someone’s personal confidential medical information! *clutched pearls*
someone phone the data commissioner. There has been a breach!
Does the Journal pay your health insurance?
That jacket is quality, it must cost at least a thousand euro.
I think the hat’s attached to the neck of it
The baseball cap worn backwards is tragic though.
Imagine reposting a tweet defending the vile words of a TD
De Brun along with the Gemma’s and the rest of the disgusting conspiracy theorists equating public health issues with Nazism are undermining the systematic state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews during the Second World War.
Shame on Broadsheet for giving publicity to anti Semitism!
Vera Sharav, a holocaust survivor thinks differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjzDkC0hZZM
You seem fond of that as a defense.
It’s the one out of millions. Like the other dubious sources, millions of scientists, doctors, nurses and medical staff are pro-vaccine and pro wearing masks to safeguard public health, but antis will always find the one person that agrees with their conspiraloon batplop.
Dubious sources? Batplop? You latched onto Bruce Y Lee a short few days ago. https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/07/01/one-they-made-earlier/#comment-2326972
I commented on your post:
‘Written by a Bruce Y Lee, who tells us about himself:
‘Bruce Y. Lee, MD, MBA has over two decades experience in industry and academia developing mathematical and computational models to assist a wide range of decision makers in health and public health.’
Just like Ivor Cummins is doing then.’
Tell us more about Bruce Y Lee then?
I linked to an article from Forbes a few days ago and you’ve been obsessing since. If you’ve got a hard on for Brucey, that’s your issue.
If you are following what is going on in Israel right now, you will know that Vera Sharav is far from a lone voice.
What is really anti sematic is to assume all Jewish people think the same- they do not- as the recent new administration has proven.
Do you have to be so bloody rude all the time?
Wow Giggs, obsessive much?
As for SOQ, well sweetie, you get what you give and you’ve given a hell of a lot of conspiraloon batplop to this site.
I do not get personal- you on the other hand, do the exact opposite.
Just to add to the compendium, you demanded I tell you whether I was 1) gay 2) from Ireland and 3) living in Ireland.
I also remember you telling another commenter that their friend that had died had actually died in different circumstances than they had been told by the hospital because you personally knew the nurses and the nurses told you the real story.
If that’s not personal then idk what is. If the internet has taught me anything it’s to never underestimate the powers of projection.
Hang on a minute.
You don’t get personal? Are you having a laugh? You don’t remember accusing me of being a troll and then repeatedly demanding where I live (Y/N) as if that’s any of your business? Or any of the many times you’ve demanded to know where Cian works or who he works for?
That’s not personal?
You were the one who was claiming to be in the proximity of Marcus De Brun and weren’t being exactly complimentary if I recall.
As for Cian- its quite obvious what he is. He’s been accused of being a government shill by many people on here, not just me.
You do understand that multiple commenters making the same accusation based on nothing more than the fact that he disagrees with them does not constitute proof, but rather a regrettable tendency towards resorting to personal attacks on the part of those commenters?
“I do not get personal-”
I think we’ve just established that you do get personal. Doesn’t matter the reason why, you still do it. You can take off your white hat now.
And for the record, you’re still not entitled to personal information, like my home town, even in defense of the good doctor de Brun.
Daisy – “Wow Giggs, obsessive much?”
Have a look at your own offerings here, and come back to us with a definition of obsessive.
My post just shows the shallowness of your posts, when you didn’t even know what Bruce Y Lee was about.
You called me a homophobe and somehow tried to link an innocuous question of mine to Unionist terrorism SOQ.
As I result I have not responded to you in nearly a year and outside of this post not sure I ever will again, unless you have the good decency to apologise for a blatantly untrue accusation.
If you skip back through the years on here you will find nothing but my support for gay rights and for very, very good and personal reasons and also, if I was a homophobe I’d have one less person living in my home FFS. It really, really pished me off when you said that and I have not forgotten, I would not be surprised if you had though.
Oh they are all pilling in today eh? Homophobia is a gradient scale upon which most of us sit, including a lot of gay people- that is the basis from which any of my comments on the subject come. But yes, I have no idea what you are talking about- a year ago- really?
Either way while not perfect, I am most certainly not in the same league as Daisy who goes out of her way to offend people.
So rather than just say sorry if I did say that (I am not making this up, why would I?) like a grown up you to try to insinuate that I sit somewhere on some spectrum of homophobia? Really?
If this was a pile on I’d be aggressively taking pot shots at you, I’m not, I am pointing out that you made a very incorrect accusation towards me, one that if you knew me you would be laughing your head off at.
OK, enjoy the site and look after yourself, I am not here to pile onto you, but if you feel that way that’s for you to decide but I am not in the business of ganging up on people.
Poor SOQ, the perennial victim whose only excuse when called on his own behaviour is to strop like a five year old that somebody else is worse!
Sad (Y/N)?
Your youtube link “The Covid 19 Plandemic” are you having a laugh or are you really that gullible that you would give an ounce of credence to such discredited garbage.
Meanwhile back in the real world
Auschwitz Museum criticises Tipperary TD Mattie McGrath for ‘mark of the beast’ Nazi comparison
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40336055.html
“Instrumentalization of the tragedy of all people who between 1933-45 suffered, were humiliated, tortured & murdered by the hateful totalitarian regime of Nazi Germany to argue against vaccination that saves human lives is a sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline,” the account said.
Shame, shame., shame on Broadsheet for or giving publicity to anti Semitism!
Broadsheet needs to learn that freedom of speech does not mean freedom to hate.
Well, it could be argued that some of the restrictions are similar to the restrictions brought in against Jews in the 1930’s
A full list here: including Jews excluded from cinema, theatre, concerts, exhibitions, beaches and holiday resorts etc
https://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/voices/info/decrees/decrees.html
So while the comparison may be distasteful to you, the similarity is sound. And not anti-semitic.
In fact, Anto-semitism is defined as is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews.
This comparison contains none of those elements. It is merely an observation of previous trends in history and one man’s opinion.
Relax…
“Well, it could be argued that some of the restrictions are similar to the restrictions brought in against Jews in the 1930’s” – It could be, and it could be argued that Hitler did build the autobahn and so it wasn’t all bad…. but it’s probably not a great argument… intellectually lazy/anti-intellectual nonsense…
I disagree with De Brun – while he’s a very smart man he wrong on so much of this… for example De Brun doesn’t understand how mask works…. maybe he could talk to a materials scientist or a physicist who might be able to do that… and getting involved with the likes of Mattie and Co … pick your allies careful and don’t become a useful idiot…
My issue is only with the fact that his statement is not anti-semitic.
Only a comparison. And I think Marcus’s issue is that anyone who makes such a comparison is shut down by being called anti-semitic.
Which in my opinion, actually hurts the actual real world fight against anti-semitism.
We should call out racism and anti-Semitism where it actually exists and not use it as a tool to shut people down.
I don’t think it was anti-semetic, and I agree that it’s a term often bandied about – like calling somebody a fascist, nazi, transphob, lefty, antifa… etc… – to discredit an opinion. However, in this instance, what was said by Matiie McG was idiotic, anti-intellectual nonsense…. and then De Brun gives it credence and frankly he should know better, but instead he becomes a useful idiot.
When you say “Well, it could be argued that some of the restrictions are similar to the restrictions brought in against Jews in the 1930’s” – it is equally lazy, this current situation has absolutely nothing to do with what happened to Jew, Homosexuals, Gypsies, the mentally ill, Slavs, intellectuals, and dissidents etc…. in WWII, …absolutely nothing, no comparison, no foundation for an argument against current Covid Policies.
Our Covid policies are made up on the hoof – sometimes this works okay, mostly it’s a mess – and each bad decision has led to a decreasing number of possible options… so here we are… the mess we are in – and it is a mess – is not the result of a decade of focused nationalistic and imperialist political ideology and agitation.
The Nazis did not start by rounding up the Jews on day one, they took years of small incremental steps to reach that objective including reorganising society and along with a two tier service provision, the requirement to produce papers was part of that.
That does not mean that everything which is happening now is a replica but it is no coincidence that East Germany, a place which survived two dictatorships in the one century, is the part of Germany where most opposition to these CoVid-19 restrictions has come from.
Just as a point of note, there is a large Jewish population where I live, and it’s a bit of a faux pas (leaning towards offensive) to use ‘the Jews’ as a common noun if you yourself are not Jewish. ‘Jewish people’ is much preferred. Similarly “are you Jewish?” rather than “are you a Jew?”. Not trying to lecture btw just giving that perspective.
‘And I think Marcus’s issue is that anyone who makes such a comparison is shut down by being called anti-semitic.’
I think there are a number of ways such a comparison gets shut down, the first one being its idiocy. It’s also wildly offensive, whether it tips over into anti-semitism I don’t know, but getting sniffy because someone thinks it does is just a way of avoiding the reality of how grotesque the comparison is.
‘The Nazis did not start by rounding up the Jews on day one,’
The logical conclusion to this slippery slope you’re describing is the deliberate and calculated mass murder of people who choose not to get vaccinated. I’m having a hard time fathoming the motivations that would be involved in such a process, let alone the mechanism.
Having said that, at least one commenter here has claimed that this is a deliberate mass culling of the human population, but creating a disease, releasing it, then taking public health measures to keep infections and fatalities down, then creating vaccines to protect people from the disease you also created, waiting to see which people refuse to take the vaccine, then preventing them from going to pubs and gigs with a highly gameable system, then just straight up murdering them, all seems, I don’t know, fecking stupid?
‘anto-semitism’ – is that discrimination against northsiders?
Anyone who’s name ends in an ‘O’ is on the list.
That’s why I’m so worried ;)
First they came for the Antos…
Then the Meshos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhdXJrGr1iM
Awww.
Those lads were one of the last shows I saw in Vicar St before all this mess
Good times…
It’s like Decorate:
(I don’t know what the rate is, nor what exactly Deco does to earn it).
Well, it could be argued that some of the restrictions are similar to the restrictions brought in against Jews in the 1930’s
It could be argued. And will be argued. But that doesn’t mean the arguement is nonsensical.
The Germans brought in rules against the Jews because they were Jews – to create a scapegoat. The Jews weren’t a danger to other people. The Jews couldn’t stop being Jewish.
Today, we are in a situation where there is “discrimination” against those that aren’t vaccinated (or recently had Covid, or recently had a clear test).
– Are the unvaccinated a risk to society? (some are if they can transmit Covid)
– Can the unvaccinated change their situation to avoid the “discrimination”? (yes, get vaccinated, get a test)
First they made me wear a mask … without really enforcing it and so the pandemic became worse than it needed to be… and then they stopped me going to the pub… well going inside, but I could still go to the pub…
then, cue Mattie Logic…
…and then they destroyed my house, my business, took away my job, beat me up in the street, raped members of my family etc…etc… and then deported me and murdered a couple of million people…
Classy stuff – the best bit for me ““If you study history and I’m not a historian, you can see what happened in Germany.” And then later when confronted about his stupidity – “Mr McGrath replied: “Spare us the history lesson.””
God save us and the national herd!
McGrath is a grade-A idiot for sure, and a disgrace.
Nazism didn’t start by killing 6 million Jews, that’s how it ended.
It started with propaganda, lies, manipulation, and discrimination. This is the comparison to what’s happening now.
Read about it here https://www.facinghistory.org/topics/holocaust/transforming-germany-1930s
Have you read “Mein Kampf”? Even some extracts from it? Have you read “The Protocols of Zion” or even extracts from it? Or similar from the late 1800’s to the 1920’s…
And you think it’s comparable to today’s situation? …
So, this is all a slippery slope to the mass murder of people who refuse to take the vaccination? It doesn’t make sense on any level. None whatsoever.
I never mentioned mass murder, only you did.
I’m talking about propaganda, lies, manipulation, and discrimination
‘killing six million’ suggests mass murder to me, but hey.
Propaganda and lies about vaccines are spread by antivaxx, antimask conspiraloons here every day. Antivaxxers are up before the courts for their violent, intimidatory behaviour, behaving like brownshirts on a pogrom in shops and on protest marches led by known racists.
But yeah, you’re the victims in this scenario… Goebbels would be proud of your spin.
I’m not down with comparisons to the Holocaust, I don’t think it’s a fair analogy to make and diminishes the horror of it by misappropriating it. I also think it’s lazy and betrays fresh thinking and clear analysis of a particular issue. How the subjugation and genocide of millions of people is relevant in the context of the COVID-19 response escapes me. Jewish people rounded up, sent to concentration camps, separated from families, stripped of dignity and humanity before being left to rot in squalor, humiliated and ultimately annihilated – men, women, children and infants? How can that insubstantial description come close to accurately describing in any way what is happening in Ireland? One of the first fake news events in my memory was Holocaust denial, here we go again with the mishandling of history, memory and testimonial. The absence of respect, the absence of humility.
I am confused about why the legislation wasn’t debated. If an issue arises in a democracy that’s a priority then surely the whole point of a democracy in the first place is that elected representatives are afforded an opportunity to debate. I do not like the unfettered gallop of draft legislation without scrutiny or without reasonable time afforded to discuss.
The fact that a committee on health, one with a majority of govt TDs, can waive pre-legislative scrutiny just like that shows we have big failings in our democracy.
Just about any govt legislation can waive legislative scrutiny really – its all just optics.
If they can pass stuff as heinous as medical discrimination without much pushback from the people. then they can do anything
No more needs to be said. We need these legislative processes and checks for a reason. The pandemic is not enough reason to ignore or waive them.
Michael McNamara calling’s MM our earlier on the lack of debate and asking him when civil disobedience is justified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcBff8HDYHU
Martin waffling back – yay…
question for the normal people who still use broadsheet: why?
for several years now this place has been circling the drain and is now pretty much openly and exclusively promoting the biggest cranks and grifters in the covid space. at the end of last year, it was the endless trump election stuff which ofc was all forgotten about when they realised it was on a hiding to nothing. before that it was doing softball defences of actual fascists in ireland. just leave them to it.
There used to be interesting, intelligent discourse.
But an entire post and essay about Pot Noodles??!!!
I rather enjoy the light relief of slightly’ s musings, not everything has to be doom and gloom
+1 Jan
Bemused’s Wednesday wanderings are a weekly pleasure. One of the few left here.
Hear hear!
Do not go there!!! Slightly is the highlight of the week.
I don’t know anymore. I find myself checking out of habit but no more than that.
I used to really enjoy the content posted by the BS team and the good natured debate between commenters but even that lacks appeal now. There are few posts I wish to engage with and even fewer commenters.
The music threads, the work on the Mother & Baby Homes, and a scant few posts are about it these days for me.
It’s boring. Reading the same thing (covid = fake/lockdown = bad/vaccines = coercive control) daily, and the same cyclical arguments in the comments has ruined a lot of what I love best about broadsheet.
Also, there’s been a shocking lack of Bertie these days, which is frankly unacceptable.
plus brother Barabbas
Plus The Old Boy.
We’d be crucified if Barabbas came back.
I thought it was Brother Barnabas, ( a la Myles NaG), but may be wrong.
+ 12 stations of the cross
As a former altarboy, I can assure you that there were 14 stations of the cross.
(I’m celebrating National Know-All Day ;)
oh …he’s gone so long I forgot his name
Hahaha! That’s me straight to hell so. I’d have made a terrible Catholic anyways.
Ex altar-boy, formerly Saulus
Had a Damascene moment hence Paulus
Heard God on the road
Suffered brain overload
If he remembers the rest said he’d call us
:)
In my opinion, Broadsheet is for people who like debate.
The kinda people who would rather have a conversation about ideas instead of talking gossip about people.
Now, Covid is pretty much the only game in town for conversation at the mo. And Trump was a also pretty big deal to a lot of people on here ( not me personally). And as I pointed out the other day CNN lost 50% of it’s advertising revenue when Trumo left office.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-ratings-have-crashed-since-donald-trump-left-the-white-house-2021-3?r=US&IR=T
So there was (is) plenty of people out there who were interested in Trump and plenty of people interested in Covid and it’s affect on society.
That coupled with the fact that BS is anonymous and you won’t be judged or shouted down by your peers for looking like a “loony” on Facebook, you can see why BS attracts a lot of people who aren’t fans of the mainstream news.
Does that debate become stale for some, yep probably.
But when faced with things that clearly feel so wrong to people (Vaccine ID’s, rights removed, being left behind by Europe, corrupt govenrment), and those views never really represented in MSM.
Well what are ya gonna do?
Protest?- sure ya get labeled a right wing nutter if ya do that. So Broadsheet it is ;)
You like BS because you’re on the alt-right and this website provides you with an echo chamber. Your incessant JAQing is nowhere near as subtle as you think.
Ok, cool…
Can you define what alt-right is? Do you have a checklist I can mark myself of against perhaps? :p
And if BS is an alt-right site – then why the hell are you here?
I thought Alt Right was an abbreviation priests used when training in alter boys. “The wine is at the right hand side of the altar” – or in abbreviated lingo, Alt Right
jungleman, while an echo chamber is a space devoid of rebuttal we welcome all: ‘alt right’, ‘progressive’, ‘hard left’, ‘old left’, ‘woke left’, ‘bewildered liberal’, soft centre. Nick even allows ‘alt prog’ for King Crimson fans.
Bodger, I think it is fair to say an echo chamber can be created by the commenters as much as by those running an internet forum.
jungleman, if they all broadly agree with one another.
Broadsheet alt right? Ha, now we see just how delusional and idiotic you are. Ridiculous statement. Perhaps you better return to your neoliberal media where you’ll feel more at home with herd-like consensus and unthinking imbeciles. You seem to desire an echo chamber where everyone just agrees with the mainstream narrative on everything.
While alt-right is probably a touch too far, but
BroadsheetBodger is very right leaning. Very. Have a look at the number of posts and articles criticising or highlighting elements on the left that are supposedly humourous, versus those doing the same on the right.Even Bodger’s comment above yours, as flippant as it is, speaks volumes. “We welcome all sorts of weirdos……followed by 1 name for those on the right, and 6 for those on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Bodger himself is a Tory in everything but name.
Your labels are meaningless. I’m a tin foiler.
New World Order. In plain sight.
Prime example. Thank you.
Millie, is it the case that you do not believe a New World Order is emerging internationally? Do you know what the global order currently is, or indeed, what a global order is?
I’m sure you’ll be good enough enlighten me, E’Matty.
Always happy to. The world has lived under the Bretton Woods economic order since WWII (commenced 1944). This is the global economic order (there is also interlinked political and social orders). This is now shifting to a new economic order. In April, US Treasury Secretary (and former Federal Reserve chair) spoke to Americans and a global audience in a 25-minute speech delivered from the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, ahead of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank spring meetings. The economist compared the meetings, which took place in Argentina, to 1944’s Bretton Woods Conference, a meeting that redefined the international monetary system after World War II and created a new world order.
We also have Mr Schwab at the WEF who has written a whole book on redesigning the global economic and social order and even details how this agenda will likely play out. The information is all publicly available and no great conspiracy (which must be secret by definition). One of the most ridiculous behaviours (of many, it must be said) of the herd lately has been to attack and sneer at anyone mentioning the WEFs Great Reset agenda, as if it were not a real agenda being pursued by the world’s most powerful financial interests. It is a factual reality that this agenda is being pursued. The only debate to be had is whether it is a good or bad thing, not whether it exists. On that, one need only read the writings of Mr Scwhab to try and forecast how this world will ultimately manifest and ask yourself, is this a world I’d like to live in?
That’s very interesting. I didn’t know a lot of that. Thanks for taking the time to go through it.
Every day a school day etc.
And how, exactly, do efforts to partially re-open relate to all that?
Can you provide any links to what you are talking about E’Matty?
Meanwhile antivaxxers are threatening NHS staff https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/14/gp-staff-receive-abuse-every-day-over-covid-vaccine-reminders
Ah yeah. But if someone was ringing you every day offering a service that you didn’t want – you’d probably tell them to feck off too.
I know I would.
Where diid it say they were ringing every day? The staff are being abused every day by hysterical, agressive ratlickers over being sent a text and a follow up letter which is hardly excessive.
“In one recent incident, surgery staff called police after a man – who was not wearing a mask – went past the unstaffed reception desk and into the back office and confronted staff. One of two GPs who defused the incident said: “[He was] shouting and pushing his phone and a letter we had sent into the face of a receptionist and repeatedly demanding she read it aloud. He was upset that we had sent him another invite for vaccination after he had specifically asked us not to. I came out to reception on hearing the commotion, along with another clinical colleague. The man was aggressive enough that we called 999 – shouting, swearing, getting very close and ‘squaring up’ to us, despite my attempts to acknowledge our error and apologise, and offer to discuss.”
And then there’s the crazies bleating on about “war crimes” and attacking mobile vaccination units… If we’re going to throw around comparisons to Nazi Germany, it’s the antis who are behaving like jackbooted thugs, quick to agression and violence. There’ll be a pogrom against pharmacists next.
Yeah
That was just one lad
Your hysteria has been noted…
Gas isn’t it. The Judge who sentenced the granny in Cork to 90 days for not wearing a mask indoors, entered the court building himself – without a mask.
What a ratlicker that judge is
Repeated contacts. The NHS staff should know then shouldn’t they, not to repeatedly call people who don’t want to be called. Have they no CRM?
I was thinking someone was going to put the pressure on Michael D. over this- looks like it going to be Peadar Tóibín. It puts Michael D in an awkward position because he is from a Labour background, and they oppose this legislation.
It won’t test his mettle at all. Michael D is a Government lackey at this stage. This is just another piece of legislation to sign over a nice meal.
Peadar Toibin isn’t from a labour background. He’s a shinner turned antichoicer.
Labour (the party) oppose this legislation
Michael D is from a Labour background
Yup. Just got this back from Alan Kelly. Seems fair ;)
The Labour Party will not be supporting the legislation to require a vaccine passport to enjoy indoor hospitality.
The proposals as currently outlined will break social solidarity. When the decision was made to change the vaccination order from being based on occupation to being based on age, we supported that. But to then declare that those who have not yet even been given the option of being vaccinated, and by that the Government mean our younger citizens, cannot access indoor hospitality is discriminatory, it is wrong, and it is simply not going to work. It will also lead to a situation where young unvaccinated workers in the hospitality industry will be serving food and drink to vaccinated people, putting themselves and their loved ones at risk.
The Labour Party believes the Government needs to put more of a focus on testing and ventilation. We know that antigen testing, which is being deployed in every other country in Europe, along with PCR testing, could play a crucial role in allowing a safe reopening. We have also repeatedly raised the issue of ventilation, which is an area that has not received anywhere near the amount of attention that it should have.
I understand the difficulties which businesses have had, and in particular those businesses in the tourism and hospitality sectors. We have fully supported the Government’s decision to provide these businesses and employees with financial support in order to get them through this terrible pandemic. But to go down the road the government has decided to go down, which is an unworkable, unenforceable solution that breaks social solidarity, is not the way to go.
Kind Regards,
Alan Kelly TD
The problem is if they open and then try and bring in passports while hospital numbers are still low- its not going to wash with the public.
The one to watch is England- if they fully open and the same thing happens as Texas, its game over here too.
Fair play Peadar Toibin
Ah yeah, good old antichoice Peadar doesn’t like it when something impinges on his body, his choice!
Dont discriminate against the unborn, dont discriminate against the born. Its consistent.
Whereas your position seemingly isnt.
Discrimination is fine when it suits you
Peadar and his antichoice pals don’t discriminate against the born unless they’re women and girls.
How is it discrimination?
Can men abort fetuses? No
So then how is it discrimination that women cant either?
I’m not even pro-life, but your stance here is totally wrong.
If men could abort foetuses, there’d be more clinics than Starbucks.
But yet you have men who support a blanket ban on abortions – which contradicts your whole dichotomy of pro-lifers being discriminatory against women.
If its a blanket ban on abortion that obviously applies to both genders – who would be discriminated against?
If Peadar is that interested in reducing women and girls’ unwanted pregnancies, I look forward to his campaigns to introduce non religious sex ed into schools, campaign for free contraceptive and better post natal supports.
Well said Daisy!
Great to see young people drinking Guinness, you can’t beat it.
Totally crazy. The country is opening up and more and restrictions are being lifted.
Yet somehow some are still parroting out a Nazi angle?
And it’s just those who believe in the crazy stuff. And who are openly talking about cheating their way at the expense of others.
Another fail for
BroadsheetBodger.Aegis: did you pluck your username from an olive orchard? Or, do you stand for either/ neither because you can’t stand for both in the context of your comment.
: Spain’s top court rules lockdown unconstitutional…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57838615
J: Spain’s top court rules lockdown unconstitutional…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57838615
So… House Holohan Stark is telling us that Winter Is Coming?
Is Holohan himself not the King of Winter?