Crowd now around the back at entrance to the car park. Huge numbers here. pic.twitter.com/vggUIhPc1T
— Gary Dempsey (@Dempz8) July 14, 2021
Tonight.
Convention Centre, Dublin.
Thanks MoRhustyDilis and KN
Earlier…
Tonight.
Convention Centre, Dublin.
Pics by KN
Earlier: Division Bell
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Sure there were only 20 there. etc.
They are all barred from Mark’s & Spencer’s.
Single Bates fellows? Do you know them?
I am not the Master.
My Freedom protects you,
Your Freedom protects me…
Nice
A friend claimed in an email recently that 15,000 people in the EU alone have so far died from the Covid vaccine. Where on earth might she have got such a figure? She stormed off in a virtual huff when I enquired about her source.
dO dE rEsEaRcH!!!!11!!
bRuCe y lEe
Warm night.
Karens and Darens.
Athens…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1415424703645331461
Now imagine the vastness of the crowd you’d see if those who had no problem with vaccination and Covid measures were to demonstrate like this lot.
Heh x millions as the horrible Mr Salmons might say
Marseille…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1415351143526551552
Do you mean the 2,728,205 people that have already got the vaccine?
That would be a bigger crowd.
Thats assuming that everyone vaxxed supports these measures, which you’ll find is untrue.
Believe it or not some of us simply disagree with medical discrimination, rather than act solely in our self interest
Surely you realize it’s a black and white issue and there’s no middle ground, haven’t you been yelled at enough already that you are either with those who want the jab and passports, or your loony scum that should not be part of this new normal.
exact this Gavin
+1
Bodger will make sure to have no antisemitic banners on display this time… Or feature any of the altright leaders organising these shindigs.
…don’t forget to mention the síbíns – even a moral compass like yours couldn’t find them.
I have a question for the person behind the Daisy Chainsaw account: will you categorically deny that you are in any way connected to a government/political party initiative with intent to influence online public discourse?
f_lawless; no offence to Daisy but the person(s) behind the name can’t really be as hateful in real life – it has to be troll account, albeit a consistent one.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
F_lawless must be a paid shill since (s)he/they assume everyone else is.
Now now. Cian. You were called out here two years ago as a FG shill yourself. Paid or unpaid, no difference. A shill is a shill.
You like wikipedia I believe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
Says the shinnerbot
@ Cian
*fact check needed*
‘You were called out here two years ago’
But that’s just a label you attach to someone who disagrees with you, so it’s not really meaningful as anything other than a dig aimed at Cian, not at what he says. You like calling people names. That’s your thing. However I would say there’s a big difference between your usual namecalling and (utterly baseless) accusations that he’s being paid to come here and post comments. It’s such an ugly accusation, made with apparent seriousness, designed to discredit the accused and elevate the accuser and their arguments in terms of importance and unearned moral authority.
I wouldn’t say anyone is paying Giggidy, his posting is too erratic and daft; he is a freelance gobpoo.
@Cian No I don’t assume that everyone is a “paid shill”. I do however strongly suspect that a certain contingent of commenters here are part of a coordinated initiative by the Irish authorities to influence online discourse on Irish platforms. To believe this doesn’t happen is naive.
I’m copy and pasting a comment I made a couple of weeks ago to restate my point:-
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If you were to ask yourself which Irish online media outlets might be flagged by the Irish authorities as potential sources of trouble in the Covid era, I think it safe to assume that Broadsheet would be one of those sites as it’s one of the few Irish outlets with a degree of popularity that consistently posts pieces which challenge official narratives on Covid.
We know that the British Army has it’s own dedicated online team called the 77 Brigade which is involved “in countering Covid misinformation” among the British public forums. In other words, an army of internet trolls seeking to attack any discussions that run counter to official narratives regardless of their validity.
In fact there’s a coordinated response by governments around the world dedicated to “Combatting COVID-19 disinformation on online platforms” as set out by an OECD policy document of the same name in July 2020.
Looking back at the government response to anti-lockdown protest in Dublin last February, you can see the kind of paranoid surveillance environment we’ve now descended to:
https://www.thejournal.ie/misinformation-online-protest-5368341-Feb2021/
‘Minister for Justice Helen McEntee said that gatherings like yesterday’s are “now organised moreso online” and that the gardaí are “doing a huge amount of work to try and preempt these types of events”.
“My own part is working with the gardaí to make sure that they have the legislation or that they have the means to infiltrate or to essentially identify this type of activity that’s happening online ” ‘
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I have no problem stating unequivocally that I am not part of any initiative to influence online discourse. I’m not affiliated with any political organisation and my comments here have always been on behalf of me, myself, alone. Will you do the same Cian?
I see Daisy responds with deflection below. Commenter “Joe” didn’t respond when I asked him previously either. I wonder if someone was part of a government “online presence” team and explicitly stated that they weren’t after being asked directly, would that be potentially crossing a line in terms of what might constitute illegal behaviour?
Big ‘when did you stop beating your wife?’ energy there f_lawless. An admission is unlikely to be forthcoming, a denial can never be confirmed, but we all get bogged down in rejecting or accepting the paranoia surrounding the idea that the debate here is being ‘shaped,’ while you get the idea out there that what you are saying is so subversive and dangerous, they MIGHT be paying people to disagree with you.
@f_lawless
I have said it before multiple times, but if it makes you happy:
I am not part of any initiative to influence online discourse. I’m not affiliated with any political or non-political organisation and my comments here have always been on behalf of me, myself, alone.
@Nigel. Did Cian say that f_Lawless must be a shill?. Yes? And you’ve no reply to him for calling names? Well boys oh boys!
And – yes, Cian was called out here two years ago (even more at this stage) by many as being a shill for FG.
Is he paid? You’re the one saying that. I didn’t say above that he was paid. You must know something I don’t.
Instead of rushing in to denounce me (the purpose of your post), read and understand first.
Not shy of making your own ugly accusations either Nigel. A cursory glance at the long threads you get involved in is all that’s needed to define yourself.
‘And you’ve no reply to him for calling names?’
You’re confused. I have no particular objection to name-calling, other than it being mostly lazy, just to trying to elevate name-calling to some definitive proof that the person subjected to the name-calling is therefore that thing.
‘You’re the one saying that.’
flawless and SOQ are the ones saying he’s paid. I find that a different level to exchanges of ‘blueshirt shill!’ and ‘shinnerbot!’ which are so common here as to be terms of endearment.
‘Not shy of making your own ugly accusations either’
Hey, I do my thing you do yours. If you weren’t calling someone names in your comments we’d start to get worried and have to check up on you.
Yes, I have been accused of being a FG shill;
It wasn’t true then, and isn’t true now. An accusation doesn’t make it true.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Who pays you, “Steph”?
@Nigel
I’ve no problem with cogent arguments that differ from my own but what I take issue with is when commenters such as Daisy, and also Cian, persistently indulge in ad hominem as a means to attack views that challenge government narratives.(“ratlicker, conspiraloon, snake-oil salesman, shinnerbot, etc, etc..”).
Surely it’s a given that Broadsheet.ie is one of the most prominent – if not the most prominent – Irish media outlets that consistently publishes pieces with a dissenting angle to the Irish authorities’ Covid-related narratives. There’s hardly any Irish outlets out there doing the same. You’d want to be hopelessly naive to believe that there isn’t some form of government online presence here in a similar vein to the UK’s 77th brigade. In this day and age, it’s become standard practice of governments around the world.
To be frank, I get the impression you have a somewhat naive world view which is blinkered by a strong authoritarian streak.
If they’re only calling you names – hardly a novel occurence on the internet, let alone Broadsheet – then they’re not making cogent arguments. If they’re not making cogent arguments, they’re hardly threatening your arguments. If you think the name-calling amounts to abuse or harassment, report it, the moderators seem to take such things mostly seriously.
‘You’d have to be hopelessly naive’ isn’t an argument, it’s an appeal to credulity. The governing parties probably have an online presence – how could they not in this day and age? – but you have no evidence to link any individual commenters here to them, and until you do, you’re just making baseless accusations.
If I were naive, wouldn’t I be more inclined to believe your assertions and suspicions? Or E’matty’s ‘culling 80% of the world population’ theory? If I were authoritarian, wouldn’t I defend the idea of paid online commenters shaping the narrative as necessary for the smooth running of the state?
Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean that they are being paid to disagree with you. Such delusions of grandeur.
Hyperbole, drama and lies. Trump, snake oil salesmen and now this shower.
I thought the same, but after a few weeks of seeing this person posts it’s clear they are either mentally broken, or in it for a laugh
Are you talking about Cian? Are you serious? The only indication of being mentally broken or in it for a laugh that Cian gives off is the fact that he posts here at all, an indication, if so, shared by everyone who posts here, and therefore hardly appropraite for the rest of us to comment on.
It is quite obvious there are paid actors involved f_lawless, including several on this site.
Is that a confession? Are you one of them?
No I am not- are you?
@ cian
What’s Ronan Duffy like in real life Cian?
“paid actors”..
Like I said, delusional. This isn’t the movies.
‘quite obvious’
Most of us rely on this to some degree, since it’s impossible to exhaustively check everything all the time, but I find it hard to fathom that a person would use this standard to build an entire world-view, and yet you not only use it, you INSIST on using it.
See also:
“I’m sure you’ll agree…”
“Anyone with a brain can see…”
“It’s clear that…”
And so on. It’s the new Broadsheet Bingo!!
Who pays you?
Why should I? If I sent, I’ll just be called a liar, so I’ll leave it to your imagination.
More from Greece…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1415427114866782210
The lady in the grey hoodie is being pick pocketed, quite possibly by her granny.
q is happy
The billionaire ruling class are happy with you sheep.You will happily and confidently march into your pens patting yourself on your back for your obedience to authority.
as q says..
Just had a scan through some of the ‘News’ providers online offerings. RTE News (The Truth Matters) Nothing about the protests. Indo (.Quality journalism is our core mission) Nothing about the protests. Irish Times (Breaking News) Nothing about the protests. The Journal (No news is bad news) Nothing about the protests.
(Protests = Ireland, Greece, France etc.)
Quite an eye-opener as to the state of ‘Journalism’ in this country. And then you have people complaining here about ‘Broadsheet’, ‘Bodger’ giving the actual news.
Trending on twitter #dublinprotest, #novaccinepassports by the way.
RTE radio 1 did a small piece on it this morning at 7.20 approx. Interviewed some of the crowd. But Paul Cunningham (I think) could guess it out any. Umber on the crowd. Some journalism.
Small piece but there none the less. A start.
He could not even guess or put a number on the crown. Anyone could see it was in the thousands.
That’s it though. Nothing so far on their news website. But they know it’s news since last evening, seeing as they had a reporter there. He hasn’t been instructed as to what to say regarding the numbers.
The main rte report on passing the legislation mentioned it:
Meanwhile, there was a large protest outside the Convention Centre in opposition to Government Covid-19 policy.
Some protesters said that they felt society was being divided, measures were being imposed on them and they did not have a voice.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0714/1235091-hospitality/
Oh wow. A ‘mention’. An afterthought buried in a long-winded report. No mention or calculation of the size of the crowd or video of the protests. Nothing. Yet there was plenty coverage of the peat protests earlier this week with a video report by Conor Hunt.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ as it stands at the moment.
No mention in any headlines of the protests. Cuba does get a mention though about customs protests there. Britney gets her headline.Twitter gets its headline. Waterways Ireland auctions a few boats. Headline.
Did they estimate the crowds at the peat protest?
I don’t remember a crowd estimation on the news for years – it was always so random “The gardai say there were 37 people, RTE estimates 500, and the protesters say there were 157,000”
Poor retort there Cian. You’re sometimes better than that. usual distract/deflect from the point.
Regardless of whether anyone agrees or disagrees on what happened last night.
The fact that a few thousand people can demonstrate in Dublín and NOT one of the main media outlets covers it with its own story is very troubling.
Anyone with half a brain should be worried.
So, you’re worried?
Yeah yeah great.
Do you think protests in major European cities against the same thing shouldn’t be a main news story?
The media have always often ignored or barely mentioned protests, then gone on to give coverage to others, apparently randomly, in the time before the pandemic. It was frustrating then, I’m sure it’s frustrating now. I thnk people should be aware of what people are getting out on the streets about, either so they can know that there is support for something they think neglected or ignored, or to warn them what some people are demanding that they find inimical.
Do you think that is wrong?
Should the media have covered the protests?
Yeah. I think there should be more media coverage of protests in general, big or small. If it’s something I disagree with, well, then me and people like me will have some idea of what we’re opposing.
I agree with Nigel; all protests should be covered by the media. the larger the protest the more prominent the coverage.
I think the vast majority of people have no idea that thousands turned out across three countries in Europe yesterday.
I’m just in my mates house and he has no clue about any of it.
That’s why it’s worrying to me.
I can guaranteed you that there have been times in the past when thousands turned out across European cities about other things, and you probably heard nothing about it. It’s endemic.
I hope they keep it up, I’m glad I won’t be having to share the beach in Greece with any of these petri dishes
except I’m not vaccinated Rob and I’ll be sitting on that Greek beach beside you. I also love your dumb anti science view that we will be petri dishes when you, a vaccinated (https://www.broadsheet.ie/contact/), can also be the very same petri dish as you too can still contract the virus.
Great – enjoy your (2x) nasal swabs.
Not a problem. Enjoy your shortened life, forever weakened immune system and advancing neurological disorders.
@rob
…you might want to consider a staycation.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1415430730742571008
“Petri dishes”?
You sound very anxious about other people’s germs Rob.
Don’t go down the Howard Hughes road dude. ;)
https://youtu.be/KxcrM1ms1U8
Someone give the Mater a shout there and let them know they’ll need to have a load of Delta beds ready in about 10-15 days….
Gobpoos
oh right, so like the massive rise in cases and deaths we saw after the drinking on Fitzwilliam Street and Portobello or the last protests, or the the opening of pubs outdoor areas, or any number of times you clowns have said “Oh just you wait and see, there’ll be millions of cases after this”. You’re a joke, and not a very funny one.
You’re right, of course. Ventilation seems to be key, and outdoor spread seems low-risk. Of course, what everyone wants is the chance to pile indoors to eat and drink and stuff. Some don’t want to be vaccinated while they do it, and employees in such places likely won’t have been offered vaccines yet. A tad irresponsible, if you ask me.
“Countless people…will hate the New World Order….and will die protesting against it…” H.G Wells author of War of the Worlds and The Open Conspiracy.
You will be greatly missed by all.
By who Papi? You do realise you’re going too, right? The New World is not for those who have lived too long in the Old World. Up to an 85% reduction in the global population is required (which will then be kept sustained at that same level going forward. “Sustainable Development” they call it). There is a reason the vaccines are only being administered to the 12s and over. 12 and over is Generation Z (what a coincidence, the last generation), with the under 12s being Generation Alpha (the first of the New World). When you and I have been culled, along with everyone else over 12, those children will have little memory or connection to the Old World. All they will have really known will be the New World. It’s a Brave New World (Aldous Huxley), an Open Conspiracy (HG Wells), 1984 (Orwell) and so many more. Our culture and arts have been telling this story for centuries and we’re finally at this historical moment when it will be realised. The only truth to “We’re all in this together” is that you and I, all of us on BS and beyond are completely screwed.
This is what has become of your website as a result of @Bodger.
Shame, really, as it used to be a fun site.
“You know, hope is a mistake.” – Mad Max
‘Up to an 85% reduction in the global population is required’
Weird. they released a virus which could have plasibly killed a lot more people BUT they enacted, however tardily or incompetently, measures which were designed to reduce mortality, then developed a whole bunch of vaccines to protect people against the virus and reopen societies having ONLY killed around four million, so far. The exact shape of this plan is either needlessly complex or astonishingly cunning.
@Rob G, I actually find them hilarious, the Braveheart declarations and utter lack of self awareness of how they come across. Very Monty Python.
We’re all going to die and the under 12’s will rule the world.
Got it.
When you say it so sensibly, I’m kinda not against it.
Ah jeasus Matty,
That’s a bit off the wall there now man.
I don’t think anyone on the planet is that organised.
This is a cash grab mixed with an inept / corrupt government(s), businesses and nothing else. The Great Reset is pretty much the same. Just a marketing scheme to get money.
Sure America’s pretty much back to normal now and we will follow suit eventually, but not before FFFG drain as much tax payers cash out of this kip as possible.
G’man Micko. I think you’re generally wrong as a horse on a bicycle, but at least you stay grounded.
Oh yeah?
What am I wrong about then?
I’ve been saying the exact same since the start of this mess.
Yes, consistently wrong, though your justifications have been flexible. Fair play.
Jesus dude.
You’re some man ;p
Thankfully close to 4 million vaccines administered. Despite the editorial line
BroadsheetBodger pushes the vast vast majority of people understand that vaccines save lives and protect against serious illness..sure, so those vulnerable should take the vaccine. No reason for healthy young people to take on the known and unknown risks of these vaccines to fight a virus that really only impacts on those who are already vulnerable to any number of viruses and illnesses each year. Your sense of reason and proportionality has been completely skewed by a very successful global propaganda campaign.
A new Ireland. Papier bitte!!
Interesting how with the exception of a few independents, all the opposition to this legislation came from centre Left parties and yet- there are those, even on this thread, who still insist that all public protests MUST be far right.
Everybody protesting in France must me ‘far right’ too then eh?
What opposition? ‘The covid passport is unwieldy and unworkable’ opposition? or ‘Covid is a fake pandemic and the vaccines are a tool of enslavement opposition?’ Details matter.
You know rightly what the ‘opposition’ means. There are many people, including plenty who are already vaccinated, who do not agree with this discrimination.
Do you?
I know what it means. Since you’re so sensitive about being labeled far right I would have thought you’d be more careful about distinctions and not lumping people in together. I think the government proposals are unworkable and unavoidably unfair, does that me ‘opposition’ the same as you?
If they don’t like the discrimination, the obvious answer is to delay reopening until, say, 80% of the adult population is vaccinated and indoor venues have had a chance and maybe funding to upgrade their ventilation. We either partially reopen with restrictions until a figure like that is achieved, unfair on those who haven’t been offered a vaccine yet or can’t take vaccines, especially unfair on those who have to work while unvaccinated, or we stay shut. Them’s the choices.
People who choose not to get vaccinated? They’ll catch covid and either die, recover with long covid, or just recover, and they’ll hopefully have some level of immunity. So long as they don’t refuse in enough numbers to threaten achieving herd immunity via vaccination, things will work out, bar the shouting and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
“ and they’ll hopefully have some level of immunity”
Looking like the Israelis are seeing that natural immunity is best. 40% of new infections were vaccinated, compared with only 1% of natural immunity folk.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
I don’t think many are dying anyway, so it’s good news either way.
But maybe testing for antibodies before the vaccine would be a good idea now. Especially in younger folks.
‘Natural immunity’ is the immunity you get when you let the virus run through a population, and that’s a policy bordering on genocide, which is not to say it won’t play a role in conjunction with mass vaccination to acheive full herd immunity.
Not if we protected the vulnerable. And with the VAST majority of deaths occurring in people with pre existing conditions.
What exactly was the point of it all?
We failed. Badly
last week we were the 4th worst in the EU for infections.
So what’s the point of all of it?
We’re still failing.
Badly
Well, yes, lockdowns are a sign of a complete failure of pandemic preparedness, but nobody bothered to listen to the people who warned this would be the case, only to the people who thought it was too expensive, too unlikely, or all a plot for the state to take control of our lives and sell them to corporations. Beieve you me nobody would be happier than myself than to see this government nailed to the wall for its failures. However, as things stands the vulnerable, and the rest of us for whom the risk is lesser but still real, won’t be protected until the population has acheived herd immunity via mass vaccination. Abandoning that policy before its completed will be just another costly failure.
Do you think the US will adopt vaccine passport for dining etc?
Individual states might, but any efforts are guaranteed to be legally challenged by right wing libertarian Republican types. Apparently Florida State is legally challenging the right of cruise liners that stop there to insist on proof of vaccination for passengers, which, given the nightmarish results of outbreaks on cruise and merchant ships leaving passengers and crews stranded for months, is bloody well unhinged.
Strawman arguement. We don’t have any opposition parties that are far-right.
Still doesn’t stop characters on here attempting to paint everyone at that protest yesterday as far right now does it? While singing Bob Marley of course.
Probably more alt right than far right to be fair to them.
Is there a far right opposition? I don’t think you guys get elected here tbh.
Thomas Jefferson, racist slave owner, being recruited from beyond the grave without a blush.
IS THAT EOGHAN MURPHY IN THE SECOND PIC BEHIND THE SIGN????
Could be ex Irexit party and grifter media’s Ben Scallan
Dee Wall, altright ratlicker encouraging the crowd to go full Kristallnacht on the convention centre.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeahNiD/status/1415456390303334404
The Irish Left wing political parties have made their opinion crystal clear on this issue. It’s you that is out of touch.
And what are those opinions? The SDs are calling for a zero-covid policy. What else are left wing parties saying? Are they discouraging people from getting vaccinated?
Do try and stay on topic Nigel love, this is about vaccine passports and discrimination.
Have you taken the #clotshot yet btw?
If they’re not discouragung people from getting vaccinated they’re not on your side, at any rate. If they think the vaccine passports are bad because they’re unworkable and the government is faffing about, I agree. if they think reopening can be done before full vaccination without restrictions, they’re wrong. So, what are their positions?