Paul Reid, CEO HSE, at Dr Steevens’ Hospital for the weekly HSE operational update on the response to Covid-19
This afternoon.
Weekly HSE Covid Briefing, Dr Steevens’ Hospital, Dublin.
HSE CEO Paul Reid said ‘many children’ aged 12-15 have already received vaccination appointments for this weekend since the portal for their age ‘cohort’ opened this morning.
He said:
“Very encouragingly, by mid-morning this morning, over 42,000 children aged 12-15 have been registered on the online system”
Earlier…
#COVIDVaccine registration is open for all children aged 12-15.
To register your child for a vaccine, you’ll need:
📱your mobile phone number
✉️your email address
👤your child’s PPS number
📍your child’s Eircode
Register: https://t.co/oph1S4hkph#ForUsAll pic.twitter.com/PyympQlydG— HSE Ireland (@HSELive) August 12, 2021
Professor Christine Loscher, of Dublin City University
This morning.
Via RTÉ
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, Professor Christine Loscher [professor of immunology at Dublin City University] said that the vaccines have an excellent safety profile in clinical trials among 12 to 15 year olds.
She said real-world data from wide-scale vaccination in the United States uncovered a rare side effect of myocarditis, or heart inflammation, in this age cohort that was not seen in the clinical trials.
The incidence of myocarditis is higher in this age group and while the reason for this is not understood, heart inflammation is a side effect of Covid-19 infection in some cases.
In the US, a total of 4.4 million children in this age group are now fully vaccinated with two doses of Pfizer vaccine.
She said: “The most important thing is that the real-world data tells us it is a possibility and tells us how to manage it and spot the signs.”
Vaccine portal opens for children aged 12-15 (RTÉ)
Earlier: Delivery And Logisitics
Meanwhile…
.@rtenews The HSE has said that according to NIAC: “The overall risk of acute severe COVID-19 in young adolescents without a comorbid condition is very low with hospitalisation rates in Ireland of 1/100,000 (0.001%) for those aged 0 – 19 years.”
— Fergal Bowers (@FergalBowers) August 11, 2021
Oh.
Risk of myocarditis from vaccination in 12-18 is 1 in 16k for males
Compared to a risk of “acute serious covid” of 1 in 100k.
Great safety profile there
But its to protect granny? Oh no wait- they can still give it to granny. Even though granny is already vaccinated and hopefully alive if it didn’t kill her.
More holes in this thing than a sieve now.
The numbers given by HSE are wrong, the risk is much much lower.
“The highest reporting rates were among males aged 12−17 years and those aged 18−24 years (62.8 and 50.5 reported myocarditis cases per million second doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine administered, respectively)”
Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm
With respect,
BroadsheetBodger, you’re no better than Micko now.Are ya saying that Fergal and the HSE are incorrectly then. Do you know better Andrew?
1 in 100000
That’s 0.001%
Are you fupping kidding me?
If I thought that those figures were a real risk, I’d never let my kid outside, ride in a car, go on a pushbike. She’d never live.
This is getting stupid now. We should be sending these vaccines to people who need them around the world.
We’re sick
No, Micko, I’m not saying that “Fergal and the HSE are incorrectly”. I responded to your posting these figures in another thread – pointing out how and where you had entirely misinterpreted the data and ignored the context. You ignored it all and just insulted me. If you’re genuinely interested, it’s in the other thread. But, no, I’m not going to bother explaining again.
I recall someone once telling me that it’s impossible to argue with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers. I hadn’t realised how true that was. Pi ssing into the wind doesn’t even come close.
Ok, yeah,.
So do you think 1 in 100k is a serious risk?
Should we be injecting children in wealthy countries when people around the world in developing nations are dying from Covid everyday?
Do you think that the fact you’re employed by the pharmaceutical industry has tainted your opinion on this?
“So do you think 1 in 100k is a serious risk?”
Again, this has all been explained repeatedly. I’m the fool for playing along but here goes: once again, this is not the only – nor indeed the primary – reason for vaccinating young people. One other objective is to curtail transmission in broader society. Another – and one we have already discussed at length, and the one that concerns me most – is to protect children against mutations / variants that may directly target and affect children. And if you examine the make-up of this novel coronavirus, this is not that far away. It scares me to think in two years we could be dealing with a highly infectious virus that fatally or seriously affects young people or children. (Which is precisely what the last global pandemic did).
“Should we be injecting children in wealthy countries when people around the world in developing nations are dying from Covid everyday?”
Again, as we have discussed, that’s the one genuine argument against vaccinating children or young people in the west. But I don’t believe it’s what informs your opinion.
“Do you think that the fact you’re employed by the pharmaceutical industry has tainted your opinion on this?”
You keep making assumptions about me. I said I work “in the area”. I am not employed by the pharmaceutical industry. If you must know, I work in OVERSIGHT of the pharmaceutical industry. I police them. They dislike me intensely – probably more than you do !
Andrew,
1 – the idea a child-eating variant will emerge is scaremongering nonsense. Viruses do not evolve that way. The only situation in which SARS-COV-2 becomes more deadly is if Vaccine-enhanced-disease becomes a thing (which I doubt it will). Natural evolution for viruses is to become more virulent, less deadly. No reason to assume that would not hold true for SARS-COV-2.
2 – Vaccinations do not prevent transmission, only reduce it. Current figures with delta put that at about 50% reduction in acquiring covid, and 0% reduction in viral loads. Not nearly enough of a reduction to “save granny” or protect society as a whole.
Take a step back, a deep breath, and look at mortality rates for covid across age groups. Then reevaluate the real risk we’re all at. It’s not much.
Yep. I remember your argument now Andrew. I didn’t make sense then either.
Mr T covered it there tbh. You’re just scaremongering on a hypothetical issue. When there IS known issues with the vaccines.
So, YOUR fears are justified to you, but our fears aren’t?
Will you give it to your own kids Andrew?
And just coz you police the industry, doesn’t mean you’re not employed in it.
@Micko
Jesus, Micko, I honestly can’t continue doing this with you. You’re a bizarre mix of unassailable self-belief and pitifully low intelligence. Hopefully you manage to navigate everyday life. I would guess you leave a lot of raised eyebrows and exasperated sighs in your wake.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/contact/
“pitifully low intelligence.”
Ye know – you may be right Andrew.
And yet thankfully, I’m very successful – totally blessed. Go figure eh? ¯\_(ツ)_/
Charming, beautiful & funny wife, an amazingly cool kid, nice gaff, run my own company in a creative industry I love, elfin sweet ride, plenty of free time (obviously) and totally class mates.
Ye know, got money in the bank, gas in the tank… etc etc
Actually – maybe there IS something to that ‘unassailable self-belief’ you mention
Maybe I’ll write a book next… ;P
Sounds like the Blues Brothers there Micko, gas in the tank etc.
Assume you threw on the Wayfarers and are currently in the middle of a high octane car chase? Aretha at the chicken joint, get that tail feather spinning.
Always Ferg. In my head at least. ;)
https://youtu.be/w3xcybdis1k
@ Andrew – “If you must know, I work in OVERSIGHT of the pharmaceutical industry. I police them.” So, where were you lads when it came to Pandemrix? Approved. 100 irish kids now with narcolepsy, the tax payer a multimillion euro bill. Your pal was big player in that scandal too! Valproate, oh let that be used for decades despite it being known to be damaging babies, just like Thalidomide, another drug approved by Irish Regulators, albeit some time ago now (though still being litigated in the Irish courts). For each of the above, all approved, all massively damaging, anyone who questioned their safety was shouted down, sneered at, and called a loon by people like you.
Your team doesn’t exactly have a gold standard record in this sphere either, does it?
@Matty
There’s no way the GSK Pandemrix would be approved today. Aside from everything else, it was awarded a license on the basis of data from “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus altogether.I think everyone would regard that as a mistake. However, it was not corruption or some malevolent attempt to harm children. It was panic – there was (as it turned out probably exaggerated ) fear about the swine flu and kids. Not the finest hour for vaccines by any means, but not either proof of the sort of thing you’re claiming here.
And re Thalidomide etcetera – awful but, again, simply could not happen today.
Andrew. ‘there is no way that the GSK would be approved today’
Pfizer isn’t FDA approved as yet. It is ‘authorized’ for emergency use. Why isn’t it approved, and why would you trust something that isn’t approved?
It has been authorized for use by them. Out of interest, in around 2-3 weeks when the full undeniable approval comes in, what will you change your argument to then?
It is under extended review, its not yet authorised.
@ Andrew – the exact same thing could not happen perhaps, but the same people and same mentality still prevails so a similar type of occurence could very well happen. Auld tony was even in Irish media back in the day encouraging every Irish parent to get their child vaccinated with Pandemrix, just as he is now with these vaccines. This was even after it was internationally known that Pandemrix may have been causing narcolepesy in children, so he was either negligently incompetent or malevolently serving an agenda, either way he should not be trusted now. The antigen and adjuvant combination had never been properly trialled. Parents trusted their voice of authority, just as they are doing now.
“However, it was not corruption or some malevolent attempt to harm children. It was panic – there was (as it turned out probably exaggerated ) fear about the swine flu and kids” except an EU Council investigation into the Swine Flu Pandemic scare found that the threat of a pandemic had been exaagerated by elements within the WHO and national advisory bodies like the UK’s SAGE, and that these organsations all had direct financial links to the very same pharmaceutical companies profitiing from that fearmongering about the threat of a pandemic. The same remains the case today.
Today, people like you will jump to defend the likes of Bill Gates despite his clear conflict of interest in this entire pandemic. Bill’s Foundation was one of the key sponsors of the controversial Event 201 simulation event which in November 2019 (just two weeks before coronavirus publicly emerged in China) ran a simulation table top event for a novel coronavirus pandemic. Then, when the pandemic hit, the world turned to the WHO for guidance. Who is the WHO’s largest funder? Well, none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. From day one, Bill and the WHO have repeated the mantra that only “vaccines can defeat Covid19” and attacked any attempt to provide therapeutic alternatives (which would of course preclude the use of vaccines by law). One of the first approved “vaccines” was the mRNA gene therapy Moderna. Moderna was co-founded by Julie Sunderland after having led program-related investments for none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which provided financial support to the new Moderna. Conflict of interest anyone?
@Andrew – Micko claims he did science in college and doesn’t believe in wearing masks, never mind ‘taking an experimental vaccine”, you are most definitely wee-wee into not just any wind, but a hurricane…
He wants to “protect the vulnerable”, but he doesn’t actually conceive what that might involve (just like the Great Barrington Embarrassment apologists), and certainly doesn’t want to actually do anything to assist those “protecting the vulnerable”… he’s fighting for his freedom … but he’s not a freedom fighter that wants to do any heavy lifting for anybody else…
E’Matty, info_warless, SOQ, Mr.T, and some others all fall into similar categories – I’m sure they’re all a bit of craic for a chat in real life… but they are incapable of grasping or even considering anything you have to say… too far down the rabbit-hole of “I do my own research” for now.
They obviously forget “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” from primary school… so even though the wolf is there, and our slightly useless governments, and frankly our sometimes dodgy Pharma companies are correctly screaming WOLF WOLF WOLF, they’re not interested…
You tried, what you’ve typed over the last couple of weeks has been great to read, very informative for many here I’m sure, definitely informative for me – thanks for that
@Matty
A lot there. Not disagreeing with the facts as you present them, but, yes, with the interpretation and inferences.
As an asdide, you’re asserting a proven link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy. it isn’t proven or conclusive, actually [ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30122647/ ]
Even then, it was causal / observational. Even it had been, it would come down to an assessment of whether the extremely rare side effects were a risk worth taking as against the alternative. That’s not evil or malevolent – it’s pragmatic.
Re Bill Gates. I don’t think I’ve ever defended him. But you’re right that I don’t see him as the Dr Evil you clearly do. What’s his ultimate objective? Is it money or just gets a hard on from being uber-powerful?
CE
That was a long post. About Micko. Does that make you feel good? Notably, you steered away from the actual subject matter of the conversation. That says plenty about your own knowledge about the subject.
The bit about Bill Gates having some sinister plans for your life and freedom amuses me, to be honest. Reminds me of a pal in school who used to busk outside his nan’s flat on Saturday afternoons. Better than working in JD Sports. He was furious and bitter over Paul McCartney stealing his songs. Even now after a few drinks, he goes back to it – how McCartney destroyed his life. How did it happen? He reckoned McCartney must have parked his car nearby and secretly recorded him busking. Like, mate, why would the greatest songwriter of the 20th C do that?
@oro.
I’m open to changing my mind when new information emerges. My questions still stand unanswered though. If I were to pose the same questions as I asked to ‘Andrew’, to you, how would you answer?
Ok well we can circle back in 2 weeks and see. If you mean your question re authorizing v approving, I trust both. I see the authorization as a confirmation of safety and the approval as red tape rubber stamp. There is so much research that vouchsafes this perspective.
There’s a difference between Approval and ‘Authorization due to an emergency’. They are not the same.
‘Vouchesafes this perspective’? Vouchsafe definition is to ‘accept with reluctance’. Does that mean you are accepting but not understanding what you’ve been told with reluctance. That there’s doubt?
((And, just to say this. I’ve lost a family member to Covid – in another country, so didn’t get the chance to say goodbyes. I’ve been vaccinated (as otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to see some of my family)).
I don’t trust the pharma companies nor the state in this matter.
I never said they were the same thing. But the authorization for use guarantees safety. The evidence is there to back that up. We can go back and forth on whether you accept that or not on an emotional level but it’s been played out so many times on here already that it seems pointless.
You must have the wrong meaning for vouchsafe. Altho now that I look it up it’s not entirely what I meant either haha :)
Glad you’re vaccinated, both for you and those around you.
“ It was panic – there was (as it turned out probably exaggerated ) fear about the swine flu and kids.”
But this time it’s DEFINITELY different eh?
Madness
brought to you by the same muppett show that championed Trump’s Big Lie for weeks on end in Dec 2020 with all manner of fact free BS stories that would have made My Pillow Guy blush….
…BS is officially the GBnews of Ireland…..Foxnews meet Tiswas without the production values of the latter. All hat & no cattle….zero solutions just a herd of hurlers on the ditch who would have left the lights on in the North Strand when the Nazi’s were bombing because that would have really showed them
Funny how for more far fetched stuff, you will try pick holes in it.
But when you cant pick any holes in the argument you resort to trying to draw the sites credibility into account (hurr BRoadsheet Gemma conspiracy etc), despite the fact that the sources in question here are the HSE/NIAC.
Ronan Glynn on R1 just now
was ultra careful with his language when questioned on this and rightly so because this is an obvious redline issue for most parents and he needs to keep the faith
I remain open minded but continue to fail to see any compelling reason to vaccinate an otherwise healthy 12 year old boy
vaccine zealots – your energy could be spent in better ways I feel but like knock yerselves out etc.
I do find it interesting that all the media talk by doctors etc is very pro vaccine for kids.
But all the official literature they’re putting out (as above) is telling the real figures. Low risk for kids etc
Covering their bums for future issues methinks.
it’s ALL in the language
I like many other sane people simply cannot see a compelling argument for an otherwise healthy 12 year old being vaccinated, that’s because there just isn’t
it is what it is, when a top pro like Ronan Glynn is called upon to sell/defend the concept he has to use carefully crafted tippytoe diplomatic language even in a fireside chat interview, earlier today on R1 was a nice example of same and there’ll be weeks of it to come
it’s just hearts and minds don’t frighten the horses green jersey mode
If they wanted to be careful about this, they would have banned the vaccine for children, not just couch the language. There’s more risk of adverse event from vaccine than from covid in children. Instead, they weaselled out by having ill-informed parents take (legal) responsibility for the consequences of their rollout in children. Sickening.
the anti-vaxxers love using this. I got myocarditis off my Pfizer dose, and I didn’t even need treatment. It just went down again after 2 weeks. In rare cases it can be bad and you need to be treated, but it is highly treatable. It’s very rare that it has a long term effect on someone. But anti-vaxxers never go past “its a heart ailment” to try scare you. I don’t know what anti-vaxxers goal is.. why they don’t want people to protect themselves and each other from a rapidly mutating virus. Guna start calling them pro-virus now instead.
Some people do have permanent heart damage Blob- thank yourself lucky.
Just out of curiosity blob, how was your myocarditis diagnosed.
Asking for a family member
“protect themselves and each other from a rapidly mutating virus” please explain how one is protecting anyone else from the virus by being vaccinated? The CDC states that the vaccinated and unvaccinated hold similar viral loads in their repiratory tract and so are equally infectious transmitters of the virus. Oh wait, were you waiting for physiotherapist Ronan Glynn, or perhaps the guy who never really practiced as a GP and is more of an administrator, Tony Houlihan, to tell you that the vaccinated are still transmission vectors for the virus?
Do vaccinated get infected to same degree as non-vaccinated ?
Y/N
We don’t yet know. Given we are not testing vaccinated people to the same extent as the unvaccinated (e.g. unvaxxed close contacts must self isolate and get tested, while vaccinated close contacts do not) it is difficult to actually determine empirically if the vaccines do have any impact on contracting the virus. The evidence from abroad is thin on the ground and largely unsubstantiated. They are not designed to do so anyway. The vaccinated can and still do get infected and can just as easily pass the virus on to others. The Covid pass and all restrictions that differentiate on the basis of vaccine status clearly have nothing to do with a virus.
“We don’t yet know.”
WHAT????? Good luck, mate.
And as for:
“…physiotherapist Ronan Glynn…”
Yet further proof that you and your ilk can’t read beyond the first 4 or 5 words in a sentence – hence comical inability to properly comprehend anything you read. I don’t even know and I’m embarrassed for you.
GLYNN’;S BIO:
“Dr. Glynn is a physiotherapist and medical doctor with a PhD in surgical oncology and postgraduate
training in both surgery and Public Health Medicine. He is currently working as Deputy Chief
Medical Officer and Head of the Health Protection Unit at the Department of Health in Ireland.
Career Record
2018 – Present Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
2014-2018 Specialist Registrar and Specialist in Public Health Medicine, HSE
2014 – 2014 Project Manager, Health Technology Assessment (HTA), HIQA
2010 – 2014 Senior House Officer and Specialist Registrar, HSE (Otolaryngology)
2008 – 2010 Research Registrar, National Breast Cancer Research Institute (NBCRI),
University College Hospital Galway
2007 – 2008 Foundation Year Scheme, National Health Service (NHS), Edinburgh
Educational Achievements
2018 Diploma in personal, leadership and executive coaching
2018 HSE’s Leadership Academy
2017 Membership of RCPI, Faculty of Public Health Medicine of Ireland
2015 Masters of Public Health, University College Dublin (First Class Honours)
2015 Fellow of the International Society for Quality in Healthcare (ISQUA)
2013 PhD Surgical Oncology, National University of Ireland, Galway
2012 Membership of Royal College of Surgeons of Ireland
2007 Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, University of Aberdeen
2002 Bachelor of Science (Physiotherapy), University College Dublin
So nothing in epidemiology, virology, or immunology.
… and all of the epidemiology, virology, or immunologist saying the exact same things as him have been programmed by Bill Gate and Soros with there evil 5G… obviously…
yeah, exactly, he’s a physiotherapist.
Sigh
I’m not a fan of Ireland’s public health leaderhsip and don’t agree with their assessment, but this guy’s CV is amazing for a public health official. I don’t know him since I don’t get subjected to the agony of RTE, but reading through that list, he did his first degree in physio at UCD, that’s 5 years if memory serves. He then did a medicine degree–I guess they gave him premed off due to his degree in physio, so another 4 or 5 years. The PhD in surgical oncology would have given him a ton of experience with immunology although presumably he specialised in the cutting bit. MPH in 2015 will have given him plenty of epi training. And on top of that 4 years specialist training in public health (which is effectively at least 50% epidemiology). This guy has more immunology and epidemiology than most people who have a specialised masters in either subject. I’m going to guess with that experience, his virology knowledge isn’t too shabby either. On paper, this is exactly the kind of CV you’d want leading public health. (*on paper*)
BitnboxyandrewI’m delighted you think so highly of Ronan Glynn
and rightly so, his CV is impressive and he comes across as a serious professional reasonable sort doing his job
you should check back on his earlier interview today on R1 (news at one) where he was asked about the subjectmatter at hand
I felt pretty reassured myself that I am making the correct choice regarding my own child
Myo and pericarditis can lead to long term heart complications down the line.
Please get regular heart check ups every few years – heart damage however small is very slow to repair.
How many under-16’s have died in Ireland from Covid?
We all know.
How many will die or suffer short or long-term health effects from mRNA injections?
Nobody knows.
Is this insanity or evil?
I don’t know.
K Cavan, evil at its root.
Ah lads? Seriously?
Perfectly serious. It is a compliment to your decency that you can’t fathom what’s at work here.
quite true. It is people’s total innocence and their failure to recognise the mindset of elitism and what that entails that results in them being incapable of comprehending a world ruled by such evil, because that is exactly what it is. Left Hand Path ego driven elitism. The pursuit of the Superman and total control of the “lesser humans” or the herd, as they see it. I refer to a book by Dr Delgado below which makes for extremely uncomfortable reading today knowing he wrote it 50 years ago.
Well I’ll take that as a compliment so!
It sort of is Andrew. When my brother and I become particularly annoyed by the herd-like mentality of the Irish people, we often remind one another that it is the innocence of Irish people that makes them so very trusting of authority, despite centuries of abuse. It is this innocence we seek to protect and defend. The goats in society abuse this innocence. I admit I would much prefer if you were not either culled or chipped and used as an automaton. As annoying as you may be, I still value your humanity.
Well, I’m not Irish (sadly). Not even in a great-granny way. But knock yourself out with your racial stereotyping.
So Bodger and E’Matty, tell us in your view what is really happening? Open my eyes
Any day now….
Oh, I wasn’t suggesting you were Irish. Just explaining how I often have to remind myself of that mindset and its innocence (which you share) when thinking of these issues. You simply do not understand the psychology of power. It’s like the Santa Claus effect. You see him everywhere, he’s on the tv, in movies, the radio, all speak of him as a person, the news even reports on his progress on Christmas Eve, and voila, presents magically appear on Christmas Day. How could he not be real? Then you grow up and find the adults were acting to entertain kids, telling nice white lies, and it was parents putting the presents under the tree or at the end of the bed. The illusion is burst. That’s a bit like life as you travel through it and find that many things are not what you were told they are or appear to be. Many still like to cling to the illusion. It’s far more comforting than reality, and you face social exclusion (one of the most feared things in western society) if you dare attempt to burst that bubble for others. Santa isn’t real. Benign power isn’t real either.
@ Sten – have you seen the 1927 movie Metropolis?
What is at work here?
Now Daisy – don’t you know Bodger’s M.O. by now? No specificity. No accountability.
What’s at work – give us an opinion piece on it, please – genuinely – it would be a great read whether I agree with it or not.
For my part – some pretty dodgy people will of course use Covid – as with an emergency – to attempt some pretty dodgy things, but for the most part there’s nothing at work, in fact the opposite, just man-chicken-up after man-chicken-up by humanity, incapable of dealing with basic public health issues…
In any event, even the evil elite folk are simple not competent enough to achieve what they want … they’re just as useless everybody else…
I dont believe you Bodger! The fact that everyone else seems to is a credit to you and your work here, tips cap etc.
@E’Matty No I haven’t seen that movie. Can I ask again- tell in your view what is really happening? Open my eyes
one simple question to the Ayn Rand loons out there. What it your solution ? How many people actually have to die (just asking assuming you have got over the fact that this isn’t the flu…but then again Trump types , Brexit lovers don’t do humility) before you realize society is bigger than you jerking off watching some fact free youutube porn…..
Protect the vulnerable with vaccinations.
Leave children alone as the risks from Covid are tiny.
Send vaccines to poorer counties that need them.
Make the technology open source so profit isn’t the motive to create these vaccines.
+1 to all of this.
The statistics are very clear. Teenagers do not need to be vaccinated. People 60+, or who’re immunocompromised, do very much need to be vaccinated.
Using tens of millions of vaccines to vaccinate teenagers in the EU and US, when 80 year olds in many parts of the world can’t get them, is absolutely morally abhorrent.
But nobody in the media, or our opposition parties, seems remotely willing to bring this up…
this
phone fail
what I wanted to say was we’ve got our overall strategy wrong here imho
this yoke is like a Japanese knotweed, we have to play clever chess against it, if you accept we are as globalised as we are then this vanity of pursuing the local numbers like we are in some kind of Vaccine Top Trumps is very short sighted
round and round it’ll go, I hope we don’t regret it
says they guy who believes reading the news media makes him informed, lol. Have you ever tried books Stephen? I find reading the writings of the very people involved in shaping history is a good window into their beliefs, ideologies, and agendas. I’d recommend a few to get you started. 1. Covid-19: The Great Reset by Klaus Schwab. 2. The Fourth Industrial Revolution – also by Schwab. 3. The Grand Chessboard – Zbigniew Brzezinski. 4. Superclass – David Rothkopf. 4. Tragedy and Hope – Professor Carroll Quigley. 5. Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilised Society by Dr Jose Delgado (arguably the creepiest and links directly into Mr Schwabs statements on chipping). It’s clear you are not really aware of the historic transition period humanity is passing through so other good additions might be Ray Kurzweil’s The Singularity is Near, Martin Ford’s the Rise of the Robots, Yuval Noah Harari’s Homo Deus etc.
For true insight into the elitist “Superman” agenda and culture involved, Orwell’s 1984 is a good place to start, then Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, and H.G. Well’s – the Open Conspiracy. This stuff is not a secret. It’s a culture, a mindset, almost a religion.
I wouldn’t bother Matty.
If you look at stephens comments, he’s not for turning no matter how thin the ice is underneath him.
If I may, Matty, a few questions:
1. What age are you?
2. Have you ever engaged in sexual congress with another person?
3. Do you really, really, really like video games?
4. Is black you favourite colour?
not really any of your business but I’ll play along
1. 40
2. too many different people if I am being honest.
3. I actually have never taken to video games. I never owned a console as a kid and resented visiting friend’s houses where they’d expect you to play theirs which they were fully familiar with. Cue hours of sitting watching them play just to get a few minutes yourself before being killed when your turn comes around. I’ve always much more enjoyed outdoor activities, team sports, and music.
4. Don’t have a favourite colour. Don’t really have a favourite anything. Different colours for different occasions and moods (applied equally to music, films, art etc.)
Questions to you
1. What age are you?
2. Have you ever read any story in a newspaper you didn’t quite believe? (note, I have zero interest in your sex life so have replaced 2)
3. Do you really, really, really like video games?
4. Is beige or perhaps grey your favourite colour?
5. Do you ever read non-fiction books?
That is the saddest response I have seen in a very long time.
1. 37
2. Yes.
3. No.
4. Never thought about it before but now that you mention it, yes, perhaps grey.
5. Must confess I’ve pretty much only read non-fiction, but a lot of it – but mainly to do with my academic background and profession. Lots of science, research stuff etcetera.
@ Andrew – Ok, not too surprised on 4. On no.5, what do you think of the work of Dr Delgado and his companions as conveyed in Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilised Society, particularly in the context of this interview given by Mr Schwab in 2016 – interview starts at 0:55 – 1.5 mins long – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg6BlXuj8cM
@Matty
I just watched that clip. I saw an old man keen to be seen as a visionary, describing a future that already looks dated. He wasn’t saying anything radical, was he? Aside from the implanted chip bit – which we’ve already overtaken with more advanced tech – it’s just stuff that’s underway already. And great.
that “old man” is one of the most influential agenda setters in the world as executive Chairman of the Davos Conference. Have you perhaps read his books? Had you, you would realise his vision for the world is quite up to date and quite dystopian, and incidentally, we are well along that path already. As for chipping, I don’t think you appreciate the significance of Delgado’s work so I will post a little snippet of info on the book.
“Physical control of the mind by direct manipulation of the brain is a novel event in human history. In this volume, Dr. Jose M. R. Delgado describes his pioneering work in implanting electrodes in the brains of cats, monkeys, and men. Through electrical stimulation of specific cerebral structures, Delgado demonstrates how movements can be induced by radio command, hostility may appear or disappear, social hierarchy can be modified, sexual behavior may be changed, and memory, emotions, and the thinking process may be influenced by remote control. The mind is no longer unreachable, and may be the subject of experimental investigations. According to Delgado, we need to reorient the aims of civilization to restore a balance between its physical and psychological evolution. Our present mechanized society is dangerously self-perpetuating, and should be “psychocivilized” in order to develop wiser minds, to intelligently control our awesome technological advances. Dr. Delgado believes mankind’s primary objective should be “not the development of machines, but of man himself.”
Test subjects who had their movements and behaviours controlled belived they had themselves had decided on that movement or behaviour. Even coming up with elaborate reasons as to why they did something. The action was completely controlled by Delgado’s team.
Now consider this with Brzezinki’s Between Two Ages: America in the Technetronic Era and his statement that soon those in power could control entire continents through radio waves. Using Delgados technology and radio waves, one could subjagtae and control the entire human race thereby creating the long sought for Utopian perfect order of Man, as envisaged by ruling elites since time immemorial. Again, I’ll refer to Metrolis for the most acessible gateway into that concept.
“We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated… The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.”
Jose Manuel Rodriguez Delgado
“that “old man” is one of the most influential agenda setters in the world as executive Chairman of the Davos Conference. Have you perhaps read his books? Had you, you would realise his vision for the world is quite up to date and quite dystopian, and incidentally, we are well along that path already. As for chipping, I don’t think you appreciate the significance of Delgado’s work so I will post a little snippet of info on the book….”
These people have power because people like you invest it in them, it’s wizard of oz stuff – Millions/Billions of people around the world watching Davos, Ted talks, and all other manner of other nonsense. 90% of people watching think they are watching visionaries, and 10% think they are watching the Cabal/Great Satan reveal themselves… Their power comes from people believing they have power… Dublin City Council can’t build an fupping cycle lane in Dublin without planning objections… the EU could get a vaccine order together in the first place in a pandemic… and it’s the same incompetency in so many countries… and if we vote FF or FG we’ll get more of the same – idiots raised to idols by FF and FG sycophants and social climbers…
Covid is a public health issue that’s not going to go away for another 2 years or so…. if we are lucky…. vaccines as many experts have said, will only be part of the solution… it sucks, it’s not a conspiracy, it’s incompetence
So @E’Matty That quote from Jose Manuel Rodriguez Delgado? Does it mean you think the vaccine is implanting some type of mind control?
@Sten “So @E’Matty That quote from Jose Manuel Rodriguez Delgado? Does it mean you think the vaccine is implanting some type of mind control?” Who knows but the entire pandemic response has been used to progress this very overarching agenda. Chipping is very much on the agenda at some point in the very near future but is just one component of a highly complex and all enveloping global agenda (Schwab says within 10 years of 2016, so five years left on that timeline). The pandemic is also being used to move us from the last cycle which began with the “spiritual revolution” of the 60’s which progressed the idea that the collective is best served by protecting the rights of the individual, the collective being made up of individuals. This is now being flipped on its head (as always happens in the counter or shadow cycle) as we move towards an “administrative revolution” a revolution in how we are governed and ruled. The individual is to be reduced in significance, being replaced by a new found drive to nurture the collective as dominant. Individual rights to be subsumed into an idea of the greater good and serving the collective.
Note how we are told to wear masks, get vaccinated, sociallly distance, etc not to protect ourselves, but to “protect others”. The rights of the individual are subjagated in favour of a notion of the collective greater good. Anyone who refuses to serve this idea of the collective greater good is portrayed as selfish, uncaring and ultimately ostracised and cut out of “normal society”. The State decides and imposes the idea of what this “greater good” is. For more detail on this idea of time in cycles (the ancients viewed time in cycles, and the elites have always mainatined this view of history, whilst since Christian times the masses have lived believing in linear time, the hunter gatherers lived in “chaos” time) check out The Fourth Turning: What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny by William Strauss and Neil Howe. “Winter is coming” they said in Game of Thrones. Winter is here as we are in the winter period of the cycle, and a new cycle will soon begin, as a new global economic and social order emerges.
The predator class (not elite, just exceptionally self serving and ruthless) see that total control of the masses is achieved through a collective, a subjagated and absolutely controlled human population and a centrally planned society. Controlled directly through physical means as Delgado describes. The ruling class seek to create for themselves a “utopian” world where they are “deified” (see Harari’s Homo Deus). As I said before, for an accesible image of that new world (with its subjagated cattle-like lower class, and deified utopian upper class, with technology ruling supreme) simply check out the 1927 movie Metropolis. When you watch it you will then notice how prevalent its imagery is in our modern culture, appearing in the background of other movies, popstars imagery (Madonna, Beyonce, Lady Gaga etc), and similar. Indeed, Queen’s Radio Gaga used footage from the movie, and became pivotal inspiration for the name Lady Gaga. Anyway, that’s an aside to convey in a small way how this agenda is in fact on display aorund us all of the time, though most have no idea it even exists and the very idea that it does is deemed lunacy.
Based on your hypothesis, E’Matty, resistance is futile. A simple direction via radio control to your vaxxed dentist and you’ll be chipped when next you go to have a tooth filled.
@Lilly – “Based on your hypothesis, E’Matty, resistance is futile” – My head says, we’re done for, there is no possibility of avoiding this. It’s simply far too well planned, organised (literally millenia in the making), far too all encompassing and most importantly, even if every person “woke up” tomorrow, it’s debatable as to whether we could stop it. They have multiple options available to them, not least a “Full cull”, the absolute elimination of the general population and reseeding the planet with their own “blue blood” lineage (see Epstein’s baby farm for an example of a true believer). My heart says, there’s always a chance of something completely outside our current doors of perception that might alter our course, though this side is more hope based than anything concrete. Speaking honestly, I think we’re completely screwed and highly likely to have to live through something grimmer than any of us can even imagine. So, I just try enjoy every day as much as I can, as everything we know and love could be about to go.
If your “resistance is futile” comment was actually referring to our state of affairs post chipping, there will be no resistance, you will not be capable of it. Your mind will not be capable of it. It’s directly physically controlled. At that point, you’re simply an automaton responding to instructions, though you may have no awareness that you are being controlled like this. The US intel agencies wanted Delgado and his team to create a fully controlled human who would act without question on instruction, even if that instruction was ultimate self destruction. They could control you so that you laugh and smile and even feel euphoria as you cut your own throat.
That is desolate. Enjoying every day as much as we can is a sound approach regardless.
@Matty
Given the terror that must inhabit your every waking minute, you’ll perhaps take some comfort from me saying that’s utter paranoid fantasy and nothing more. There is evil in the world – always has been, always will be – but there is far, far more good. And good will always prevail.
You’re obviously not a bad guy, but you are deluded and misguided. I would give you a hug if could. I do not mean in a condescending or patronising way.
@ Andrew, and I appreciate your compassionate and human response, though obviously take umbrage with your attempt to portray this as being simply delusion. I think a key missing link is your lack of understanding of what good and evil actually are. It is a basic misunderstanding of human experience. The world looks very different from the top looking down than it does from the bottom looking up. What I put forward is in fact well documented and pervades all of our culture. Your understandable desire to reject this darker vista is simply your own natural self defense and preservation of your mental stability. Cognitive dissonance prevents you from seeing this reality. I started from a place of a very orthodox worldview, like yours. But, in my search for knowledge and understanding, I had that worldview piece by piece dismantled. It’s not a fun nor pleasant experience and at times can feel quite traumatiziing. You essentially kill your Gods, your conditioned beliefs, and more, as objective reality comes into collision with the pre-existing subjective conditioned perception of reality. When discussing such matters, I truly hope, more than anything, that I am wrong and the person I am debating with is correct. Similarily, I truly hope none of this comes to fruition, the world bumbles along and we maintain some level of individual freedom and live happy lives. Unfortunately for all of us, the path we are on is leading us to a very dark place, unless of course you see this as the ultimate manifestation of order ab chao, in which case, it will be bloody great! I actually thought we’d get a few more years before this agenda got to this point, but things have gone into warp speed since we moved into 2020. Good auld Klaus Schwab says that by 2030 we will “own nothing and be happy”. One must wonder what would have to happen for this to be the case.
@E’Matty Thanks for sharing that. What it makes clear to me is that we have really different perspectives of the world. This is important as here we are futilely discussing masks or vaccines but we are coming from two totally divergent world views meaning that these ‘details’ are unimportant in the wider context and we will never convince each other.
It’s difficult for me to read what you wrote as (to me) it appears to indicate a level of paranoid delusions. I know that’s probably how you would expect me to respond. I have met a few sociopathic people in my life so I know that they exist in numbers. However I can’t get on board with an all encompassing cabal that is somehow manipulating the world’s population. There’s just too much evidence against it in my view. Or maybe I should better say that I don’t have the necessary inclination to go check the evidence of it, similar to the way I’m not going to check if the world is artificial ala The Truman Show.
I guess it must be really tough when you have the world view that you do. I don’t really have the solution to bridge the gap between us except to say trust and rely on the ones you love and really listen to them. That love is the most important thing when all else is taken away.
@Sten, and thank you for your kind and considered comments, despite the clear gulf in our worldview. I completely understand your position. 20 years ago, I would have been exactly the same. 20 years of extensive learning (I have been always been a compulsive reader hungry for knowledge and understanding) I have a very different perception of the world. You make refeence to sociopathic people, and whilst they do go to the crux of the matter, never underestimate the capacity of perfectly normal people to engage in seemingly evil acts, partcularly where they are normalised.
“However I can’t get on board with an all encompassing cabal that is somehow manipulating the world’s population.” It is in fact a mindset, a culture, not one cabal, but multiple different people, groups, clubs, associations, the overlwheming majority with no idea of the true destination, all moving inexorably in the same direction, often from polar opposite sides. Have you ever sat with upper middle class people and listen to how they speak of the working class? Now multiply that exponentially to consider how the very top of the food chain views everything below. We’re all in this together is actually more apt than many realise. It’s pure elitism and it’s egoic drive is actually much of the driving force behind the path of human civilisation. We have moved from nomadic hunter gather tribes to larger tribes, to settled communities, principailities and kingdowms, to nation States, then Continental States. A true One World Order is for the first time in human history now possible, and even better, unlike previous civilisations and orders, this one can be fixed into perpetuity and not suffer the natural decline all previous orders have been subject to. What a goal, what a prize! But, what would they do it….
@E’Matty Top man. In the end it’s a bit like religious beliefs. I’m an atheist but I never try to convince others out of their religious beliefs. I see that believers get important comfort and meaning from it and it’s not for me to take that away from them because, in the end, maybe I’m wrong and they are right. There’s no way to know for sure until you’re dead. They probably see me as having a belief system that sets me adrift and soulless. I guess in this analogy you’re the atheist and I’m the religious.
The only thing I’d say to you is “ What if you are wrong?” What if the consensus view that the medical establishment is pushing with vaccines etc is actually correct and done for virtuous reasons? Then you might be doing harm to others that might get sick and/or die because they were persuaded by your point of view. Something to think about.
Anyway, I’m not trying to convince you of anything but just encouraging you to keep an open mind on all possibilities. I’ll try and do the same!
@Sten – “Anyway, I’m not trying to convince you of anything but just encouraging you to keep an open mind on all possibilities. I’ll try and do the same!” should be a mantra for all on BS. Agree 100%.
Absolutely, I always challenge myself and ask “What if I am wrong?”. As I say, I actually hope, more than one can imagine, that I am wrong on the overarching agenda and course we appear to be on. I actually plan my life (as much as one can actually plan their life) with all options on the table. I have my “everything worked out fine and it was much ado about nothing” line, all the way across to, “Sheet has gone south big time and we need to be totally self sufficient for a protracted period of time” line. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, as they say.
On Covid and the pandemic specifically, we’d struggle to agree what is the actual threat to begin with so it would be very difficult to then adequately balance the cost benefit ratio. We’d also struggle to agree on the nature of certain figures and organisations within the crisis environment, so it becomes quite difficult to say, if I was wrong X amount of people would die. Let’s say we took the worst performing country taking the figures at face value (which I don’t it should be said), Peru at 6,066 per million. That would see almost 25k deaths to date for Ireland! But, then we see that Peru was one of the most restrictive countries so not a great example for my approach. Sweden probably the closest approach to what I have advocated for, saw 1,425 deaths per million (compared to Ireland’s 1,023) but this must be balanced with the fact Sweden has 20% of its population over 65, while Ireland is just 13.32%, so this provides a death rate when adjusted for age profile (as it should be, age profile being the single greatest determinant of outcome) which is actually much closer than most appreciate. I don’t think though comparing countries in this crude way is actually very accurate tbh. Simply too many factors which can be influencing events in any country to have like-for-like comparisons.
Despite not answering your question to any great degree, I must pose the question back to you “What if you are wrong”? How do we quantify the consequences of the emergence of a dystopian global totalitarianism where one doesn’t even control one’s own mind or body? Given their obsession with Malthusian concepts of overpopulation, would 8 billion be their ideal number for the New World? How do they get the population down to the ideal level, whatever they believe that to be?
Anyway, no need to reply, more rhetorical questions than anything else…
Wow Andrew – on one comment you berate “anti-vaxers” for being difficult to argue with,
” recall someone once telling me that it’s impossible to argue with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers.”
and in another you come out with this cracker. I think the reason you find it so difficult to argue with people is your propensity to come out with crackers like that above post insinuating people are children and/or virgins, instead of arguing the point.
Some quality of discourse we have here.
“that above post insinuating people are children and/or virgins” – Christ alive!! Was I being groomed by Andrew and didn’t even realise it? Now that you say it, his responses make far more sense now.
I hope you have a sticker on your laptop camera EMatty
You bet I do Janet. A cover and tape over it. I work in a tech area. We’ve been covering our cameras for years :-) . I just hope Andrew doesn’t find my TikTok dancin videos! I’ll never be rid of him if he does.
@Matty
Sadly I’m as far from being a sexual deviant or whatever that could be. I’m a scientist with an extremely low libido.
I recommend exercise and ginger tea
Oh, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, you came in here with such admiral intentions and beliefs.
Cant remember the meth a for for it now but it goes something like, play in the muck don’t expect to not get filthy dirty.
To keep me safe I have decided to only drink strong (cask strength) whiskeys, all the time. The high alcohol content (check the percentage first though) will kill the little blighters and the inebriation will help with all the arguing about the issue.
It is, quite simply, an elegant solution to an inelegant problem.
You heard it here first folks and no need to thank me. Also works for zombie and wasp bites, radiation sickness (well it makes it more tolerable I suppose?) and politicians at election time (take one drink for your own sanity and douse some in their eyes, if you are accused of assault just show them the price and they will be stretching their tongue to catch a few golden drops.)
ha!
I work in a job where I might as well stand and lick arrivals at the airport,
Every single member of our staff had either the runs, a temperature, heavy flu last, bad lung infections February, our staff at the oldest is probably me lol, oh and our boss had just come back from a ski trip in Northern Italy and ended up on a oxygen mask,
we had a team building night that involved tasting about 12 different whiskies from Walsh’s, Proud Irish and I forget the other, many cask strength, I’m not joking a few of us felt better the next day. (disclaimer, I am not a medical professional and wouldn’t advise getting dehydrated when you are sick)
“ I might as well stand and lick arrivals at the airport,”
You’ve probably a better immune system than all of us combined so :)
Michael in fairness amongst the ridiculousness of the rogues on this site I’d say you in the 3d world are probably the most lovable of them all (still don’t believe you have a heap of mates that think you are deadly though, I mean who does really anyway??)
Ps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKXT2GRAncc&ab_channel=TheFugeesVEVO
pps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jds_swhgobE&ab_channel=OldieButGoodies
ppMFs WTFHAPPENEDTOMYFUPPINLIFE??
I said THEY were deadly.
Most of em think I’m a silly…
A loveable one though :-)
But, I’ve a sneaky suspicion I know you in the aul 3D world eh “Fred”?
As I said Janet, its an elegant solution to an inelegant problem!
Sorry you were feeling poorly but glad you found a fun way to deal with it!
(And you can just drink loads of water to fight the dehydration as well!)
Jaysus would you look at how this all went. A bunch of anonymous weirdos arguing over covid vaccines and not medical or infectious disease qualification between them.
Carry on.
And you know of these people’s qualifications or lack of how?
I’ve noticed your snide remarks the last few days.
They don’t reflect well.
Ok. Good chat.
Stereotypical lack of humility.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kids-sick-covid-are-filling-children-s-hospitals-areas-seeing-n1276238
The kids are not alright in several places in the US… where everybody loves to go to hospital for the joy of paying through the noise for the most basic treatment…. hmmm… or maybe it’s just propaganda… etc… etc…
Yeah, it’s propaganda. The most insidious effective propaganda of all time but still only that.
OMG, are they throwing babies from incubators again!! Oh, wait, sorry, my bad, wrong propaganda reel. They’d never use children to manipulate our emotions. It is a fact established by 18 months of hard data that Covid19 poses almost no threat to children. The bigger question should perhaps be why are we seeing a spike in a respiratory virus during the summer months, at a time when the majority are vaccinated? The herd have been sold the “Variant” snake-oil, which will be changed and adapted as needed to suit the agenda. If ADE proves to be an issue (as it seems to be emerging in Israel as the vaccine wanes and in Pfizer in particular) they will simply blame it on a new variant and attribute blame for it emerging on the unvaccinated, and the mindless herd will swallow that BS whole all because the “important man in the white coat” told them it was so.
Matty ,trying to open andrew and co,s eyes,is like trying to teach a pig to sing. Its a waste of time ,and it irritates the pig.
Ha! I quite enjoyed that mental image of a singing pig on a Friday morning. Thanks Kieran. Yes, perhaps, though maybe I am not commenting for their benefit but to push the Overton window wider for all who take the time to read (my excessively lengthy and self indulgent comments :-) ). In any event, even if Andrew rejects what I am saying, those ideas are forever more planted in his subconscious and will naturally widen his perception of the world going forward, a perspective on the world he may never have considered before causing a little shift in him he may not even notice. Planting seeds. To be fair to Andrew, I am commenting on things he clearly knows little about but he has been more restrained than most in replying with abuse. He has at least tried engage on some level, even if from a place of total scepticism and disbelief of everything I say.
So Matty, how do you propose to stop your radio controlled dentist chipping you against your will?
Joke’s on them. Matty kicked his own teeth in.
truthfully, I don’t believe I will be going to the New World. In fact, it’s quite possible only Generation Alpha will be going (the first generation of the New World), whilst Generation Z (The last generation of the Old World, now aged 12 and above) may be the cutoff point. Coincidentally, that’s also the age cutoff for many countries vaccine programmes. The whole thing works better if it is only the very young who survive the transition. You clear the decks and avoid Old World ideas and views from “corrupting” your new utopia. People like you and I are simply too used to this Old World to ever properly integrate into and adjust to the New World which will be unrecognisable from the world we have known.
Jesus Jumping Christ.