Time, Please [Updated]

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This evening.

8pm so.

Earlier…

This afternoon.

Government Buildings, Dublin 2.

Tanaiste Leo Varadkar arrives for a cabinet meeting to discuss the latest Nphet recommendations, including a 5pm pub curfew until the end of January.

More as we get it.

Government considers rejecting Nphet proposal on 5pm hospitality curfew (Irish Times)

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68 thoughts on “Time, Please [Updated]

    1. Sara

      Apart from Covid, this whole thing highlights the extent to which alcohol is a problem in Irish society. The uproar at drink being taken from people is insane. We should be looking at our drinking habits in a serious manner. We’ve way too many alcoholics in this country.

      1. Nullzero

        Drink isn’t being taken away. The social aspect of pubs and clubs is what people are upset about. The drunks will still be drinking in houses after this just like last year. I agree we’ve got a serious problem with drink but that’s not necessarily the crux of people’s outrage here

          1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            Sara doesn’t a) have any friends to socialise with
            b) strangers don’t enjoy striking up a conversation with her in a cosy bar
            or c ) both
            Sara’s comments on hear lead me to go for C

  1. Mr.T

    I said it first thing this morning on here that this would happen, I even got the time right I think.
    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/12/17/anti-hero/#comment-2380104
    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/12/17/fridays-papers-114/#comment-2380044

    This is NOT a rejection of NPHET advice – this is exactly what NPHET wanted. They low-balled their first offer, and now they’ve gotten what they wanted, and the government still come away thinking they “won”.

    Pathetic from cabinet, absolutely pathetic leadership in this country.

    1. Bodger

      Mr.T, would you not think the decisions are made outside Ireland and this is just weekly panto for us to boo, hiss and assume the politicians are fighting for our interests against the wicked Nphetties? With slight regional differences, countries introducing new measures across the world are in lockstep.

      1. Nilbert

        I think you are right Bodger, it’s Satan isn’t it?

        Ever notice that Satan is an anagram of Santa?

        WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

      2. Mr.T

        I think the powers that be in this country like power and are also very incompetent.
        If there is a conspiracy at a grander scale, the likes of Tony, Leo and Michael are predictable idiots who dont need instructed, do they?

        If I were a machiavellian criminal mastermind pulling strings, I wouldnt bother with Ireland because our leaders are so incompetent they can run the country into the ground without any guidance needed!
        If and when we recover from covid, we will be in crippling debt the likes of which no modern country has ever seen – much worse than the rest of the EU. We are totally fliuched going forward already is the point

        1. Bodger

          They are doing as they are told to do, something very unpopular, and using Nphet to disperse the inevitable derision.

          1. goldenbrown

            +1

            leadership my hole

            it’s amazing how a collective of such highly paid people who arguably hold the positions with most consequence to our lives are so bereft of the “right stuff”

            *the thing that wrecks my head is that I somehow always hope, y’know? I don’t understand why I hope as we have such a burgeoning library of past of incompetence and connivance for reference but I always fall into the trap :(

          2. Nigel

            This literally makes no sense. To deliberately do it like this, drawing only more attention and derision on themselves, when if done competently and with solid reasons given in a coherent manner it might still be unpopular but people would be less angry abut how it was implemented and would be more confident that it might have a beneficial effect. This is convoluted thinking on your part, banging the round shape of actual events into the square hole of your convictions.

          3. Bodger

            They are appointed by the government and are constantly at ‘war’ with the government and always going ‘rogue’? Seems plausible. The same playbook in the UK with Sage.

          4. Nigel

            Appointing an advisory board then being at odds with it? Yeah, that never happens. Anywhere. Ever. The fact that it also happened in the UK PROVES it never happens. You know circular reasoning is the bad sort of reasoning, right? Also, appeals to plausibility are logically fallacious, which means they’re weak as a form of logic or argument.

          5. Bodger

            It’s why the HSE was set up. It gives the minister and the Department of Health some distance from criticism (‘it’s like Angola’, Tony O’Brien’s to blame’). It’s a sleight of hand.

          6. Nigel

            Yeah, one thing I’ve noticed is how nobody ever criticises the government for the state of the health service.

          7. Bodger

            It diffuses the criticism and makes it somewhat outside politics, thereby allowing the ex-ministers of health of whatever hue to blame the HSE for the ongoing mess as they go up the ladder.

          8. Nigel

            Even if that’s the case, that’s not what’s happening here. And even if it were, that’s a far cry from the supposedly co-ordinated pantomime at the behest of mysterious foreign masters you’re claiming.

        2. Nilbert

          for Panto season…

          Fitch Ratings-Frankfurt/London-04 November 2021: Ireland’s remarkable economic performance during the Covid-19 pandemic has helped to place government debt-to-GDP on a firm downward trajectory, Fitch Ratings says in a new report. Rapid growth has boosted revenue, helping the country to accommodate support measures and increased spending….
          YAAAAY!

          , but this economic expansion has been driven by the foreign multinational enterprise (MNE) sector, highlighting the disconnection between GDP and underlying national income.

          BOOOOOO!

          Fitch doubled its 2021 Irish real GDP growth forecast in September to 14.9%. Ireland will post faster growth than any other Fitch-rated sovereign in 2019-2021, owing to spillover from the foreign MNE sector and large direct government support. Growth is fuelling a strong increase in Exchequer revenue, which grew 25% from January-September this year compared to 2019.

          YAAAAAY AND BOOO AND YAAAAAAY!

        3. freewheeling

          It’s the only thing that might save Ireland from global tyranny – our innate incompetence and inability to organise anything right.

      3. Nigel

        ‘Mr.T, would you not think’

        It would be easy to bring people round to this way of thinking if you ever presented proof that wasn’t conjecture, suspicion, feelings, assertions, forced reasoning, and paranoid thinking. Your commments about how a) I’m probably being paid to comment and b) I probably have a criminal record are emlematic of your stuck-in-a-hole logic, where groundless but self-serving suspicion gets treated as fact.

    2. Cui Bono?

      NPHET and the government are working together as a team. It’s the same idea as good cop, bad cop. The government come out looking more moderate to all the plebs.

      Bodger is right that all these orders are coming from way higher up than the Irish government. It’s the same plan in most countries and it’s just being implemented by governments to suit their populations.

          1. Haroo

            Says Nick as he sits in a fallout shelter wearing a tinfoil hat waiting for the gay space Nazis and their vaccine programme to enter phase 2.

          2. Haroo

            Remaining in constant communication with Bodger using paper cups and strings as Bodger knows from his Qanon days that international elite paedophiles have tapped the phones

        1. Kali

          Your right, and the only people to oppose these completely logical restrictions are extreme right wing neo nazis furthering the goals of world domination. Like those that protested the masking of children in schools.

          1. Nigel

            This seems like reasonable sarcasm if you completely ignore the multiple comments asserting that it’s all pantomime for (reasons) at the behest of (masters abroad) for (reasons.)

      1. Nigel

        You can tell government and NPHET are working as a team because they’re very obviously at odds with each other and not working as a team, which is exactly how you would expect a team would work *taps forehead*

  2. Zaccone

    According to the government’s own figures:
    Number of outbreaks in pubs in the last month – 9
    Number of outbreaks in schools in the past month – 202

    The only logical thing we can do is close the pubs!

    Absolutely nonsensical stuff. The government again got bounced into this by NPHET leaking their advice in advance to the media. NPHET need to be disbanded, and reconstituted with new members from a broader cross-section of society so they can give more balanced advice than just “lockdown NOW”.

    1. Micko

      Some time in the future when it’s really all gone to pot and the public are looking for blood and someone to blame:

      Government – “We were only following medical advice from NPHET. “ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      NPHET – “We only advise the Government, the decisions are up to them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      A perfect get out of jail card.

      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        and we say children children ( evil horror movie children ) you are both getting punishment, there’s a pair of you in it and look at the state of the place

  3. Dave

    When the covid numbers were rising in October the government opened up everywhere and now today as numbers are falling they are closing everywhere, unbelievable !!! When it’s too late again

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      it’s always too late,
      it’s not too late to prioritize fixing the health system instead of fupping everyone’s life and future

  4. SOQ

    From the perspective of a pub owner or manager- there is very little difference between 5 and 8 pm because they still need staff and still have heating costs, all for three hours of off peak trade. They won’t even get the usual after work trade because everyone is working from home again.

    This is doubly the case of restaurateurs who also need to buy fresh produce. Both are going to have huge problems getting staff because apart from very local venues, nobody is going to travel any distance for two hours work.

    It is also a full admission that stupid Vaccine Passports do not prevent transmission of course.

      1. SOQ

        Yea that is why I said two hours because day staff usually finish at six.

        And probably now, most venues would not open to at least six, if not later.

        And no chef is going to plan and prep a full menu for two hours trade.

        1. Mise

          I live in a rather rural area in donegal , I have two very young children most days are spent on long walks . The locals stop their cars to talk or come out of their gardens or fields for a chat. It is mostly older people , I think children bring hope and joy for them. They are done with jabs , done with lockdowns. Good luck to government they are gonna need it.
          Nollaig mháith dóibh
          Is mise le grá

          1. goldenbrown

            the Govt don’t need luck :(

            the Trough Trinity can lope along in smug satisfaction managing expectations, avoid responsibilities, fall from accident into happy accident because they have the seat numbers to ride out until the very last week of their 5 year tenure – and thereafter if something else cannot dislodge their coalition of seat count (which they’ll p—k about with talks about talks arranging carefully for 6 months) they’ll get themselves another 5 years of of trough-a-licious making it up as they go along conservative gravy

            almost entirely a TD’s ONLY individual personal mission in life is to massage whatever needs to be massaged, promise whatever needs to be promised, create whatever fear that needs to be created in order to get re-elected (save for the ones that have engineered the jump to dinner circuit speeches and corporate board membership) there’s not much vocation that’s for sure lol

            remember that next time you have the opportunity to vote

            PS. well described, that’s exactly what I see day to day the other end of the country it’s the same, real people in real life

    1. SOQ

      Just wondering if there is a reason for this half assed effort rather than closing outright. Let’s say you are a publican or restaurateur whom is buried in debt, as I am sure a lot now are. If government closes outright then that really ties the bank’s hands when it comes to foreclosure but- what about now?

      1. 1-2-1-2

        I honestly don’t think it’s that far gone
        It’s a cabal of the Guards and the Dep Health who incidentally are also preventing any kind of action on legislation for people to be allowed smoke a bit of weed for their own business

  5. Daisy Chainsaw

    The only restaurant I’ve heard of having to close due to a covid outbreak was the Forge in Castlebridge and they’ve allowing the unvaccinated in unchecked… Once again, antis break the rules and we all get punished because of it.

    Closing pubs, restaurants and theatres is not the answer. Closing schools a week early will help more than stopping a cinema showing Spiderman at 8.05.

    1. Chris

      Where’s your proof that an unvaccinated person, caused this outbreak? You get ‘punished’ because that is the game at hand. Nothing to do with ‘anti’s’.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        I get all the Christmas pints, tapping a keg on the 23rd and enjoying a few days off. It’s gonna be lovely and relaxing.

  6. E'Matty

    Head over to that haven of Covidian nutcases The Journal. Losing their little minds they are. What was the point in getting vaxxed and why would anyone get the booster? I must admit, I’m finding this hilarious. We knew this was coming but the Covidians seem genuinely surprised, again! Love that it hits the vaccinated just the same as us. Even funnier to see the Covidians asking about a protest. Pub owners, we protested to protect your livelihoods and you sneered at us and then enforced an apartheid system to exclude us. Are you starting to see what’s happening now? Slow learners.

  7. f_lawless

    Apparently Varadkar is now talking about the need for validating vax certs with the latest booster as far forward as next summer.

    I know I’m repeating myself here, but the group of technocratic elites who conceived this system don’t plan on it being rolled back.

    Figures like Varadkar are like cinema ushers, there to lead you to your seat and strap you in for the show.

    Mass non compliance is the only option we have

    https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1471927705784528907

    “Varadkar: Starting in January, the Covid Cert will be reissued, and it’s likely that next spring/summer people will be able to get a Covid Cert only if they have received a booster vaccine”

    1. Steph Pinker

      Exactly, f_lawless, the threats will be forthcoming until Varadkar himself becomes saviour of all as Taoiseach, then he’ll take any and all credit. By next June, people will want to sit outside as the weather is milder, consequently there’ll be fewer captive booster members. I imagine that’s probably the first time we’ll actually see – if factually reported – a decrease in people getting boosters, then the propaganda will kick off with Covid balls, bells and whistles scaring people before the Summer ends.

      It’s a dangerous game they’re playing, but unfortunately, they’ll get a walkover again for obvious reasons.

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