Let Us In [Updated]

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This afternoon.

Earlier…

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy (centre) with Ukraine’s EU membership application

Last night/this morning.

“Our goal is to be with all Europeans and, most importantly, to be equal. I’m sure that’s fair. I am sure we deserve it.

“Europeans are witnessing how our soldiers are fighting not only for our country, but for all of Europe, for peace, for peace for all, for all the countries of the European Union.

“Ukrainians have shown to the world who we are, while Russia has showed what it has turned into…. Every crime, every shelling by the occupier only unites us more,”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy seeking a fast track entry for Ukraine into the European Union., Bloc officials quickly played down the likelihood of any such move for a number of reasons, including the fact that no such fast-track procedure exists.

Zelenskiy Calls For Ukraine’s Immediate EU Membership But Bloc Cool On Idea (RFE)

Meanwhile…

This morning.

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63 thoughts on “Let Us In [Updated]”

  1. Sara

    Ukraine’s a basket case economically. It’s riddled with white nationalists, neo-nazis and corruption. The EU won’t allow it in ever. Added to that, if the EU were to accept Ukraine, Putin would nuke Kiev. Fupp Putin.

    2. Donald duck

      If the Ukraine was let in then the possibility of WW3 would be more or less guaranteed as the EU would be drawn into this as a member state is attacked
      Of course we have PESCO which we signed up to and we would be made send Irish troops into a war in a combat role
      I reckon if this is not solved ASAP the only resolution is the Russian people doing exactly what they did when they removed the tzar
      Maybe that might be the only way as we see politicians walking out like spoilt brats when Lavrov gave his speech
      This is deadly serious
      Maybe the EU are using this to finally get that army they want
      It’s time for diplomacy not sizing up like two prize fighters

      1. George

        “the EU would be drawn into this as a member state is attacked”

        The EU has no such security arrangement.

        1. Trustin Judeau

          Lisbon treaty added collective defence as a mandatory policy for all union members.

  3. Nigel

    The EU and NATO have finally shown some backbone and unity against Putin, but everyone, including Putin, probably – hopefully – has the utter $hits at the prospect of Russia/Western forces actually clashing, so, no, probably won’t happen until the dust settles, and nobody knows at this stage what that’s going to look like, except dead and wounded people and ruined buildings. It’s probably more a calculated act of defiance and independence aimed at Putin – we’re never going back to the USSR.

    1. bisted

      …dead and wounded people…ruined buildings…open slave markets…millions displaced…could never happen…oh, wait…

      1. Nigel

        Thought you LIKED Syria under Assad/Putin? Beacon of freedom, you said. Or something like that.

        1. bisted

          …only Russia, amongst others, came to the aid of Syria, it would have been returned to the stone age by the US formed ISIS…I was thinking more of Libya where the regime of Ghadaffi was toppled…can’t think of the name right now but one of your Democrat friends boasted: we came, we saw, he died…

          2. bisted

            …not before he had made a significant contribution…provided an equaliser…that forced the Brits to the negotiating table…

          3. Nigel

            Crying over the the guy who funded terrorism while pretending to care about death and destruction…

          6. bisted

            …I’m told he supplied the weapons gratis…didn’t even have to do a whip-round…like the EU has to do this week…which filthy arms dealer are they buying their lethal arms from?

          7. Nigel

            Oh I’m sure he got something out of it, nobody every gave terrorists weapons for free out of the goodness of their hearts.

          8. bisted

            …as you’ve already demonstrated with continuing the myth about chemical weapons in Syria…I think my source of information on Gen Ghadaffis lethal weapons is more believable than yours…

          9. Nigel

            I didn”t say he didn’t give them for free, I said he did it because he got something out of it, even if it was only the fun of death and dismemberment on the streets of the UK.

            I don’t know why you even bother denying the chemical attacks, you love that sort of terror tactic when deployed by anyone who hates the US.

          10. bisted

            …glad you seem to be on the right side of the climate campaign…because you seem to be in denial of everything else…

          11. Nigel

            I also am glad you’re the right side of the climate campaign despite being a Putinista.

        2. Duncan Wheeler

          You’re some baby Nigel, would you like Syria to end up like Lybia after the US/NATO invasion? Lydia is now a failed state with all the oil being flogged and unlike under Ghadafi, the people aren’t seeing a penny. Remember the ‘white hats’ attempting to claim a chemical attack had occurred in Syria yet the civilians on site say nothing like that happened. The doctors in the nearby hospital to the ‘attack’ all said they had seen no evidence of chemical weapons injuries. It was a fantasy/propaganda, just like your views on these events.

          1. Nigel

            Oh, Syria is doing just great, it’s absolutely flying, is Syria.

            Yes, I remember Putin’s propaganda to cover up his chemical attacks on civilians, and the absolute bellends who believe it.

          3. Nigel

            Anyone who believes and/or promotes pro-Putin propaganda while moralising about the evils of The West.

    3. Donald duck

      Yes Nigel bang that drum ,if the EU and NATO goes to war over UKraine it will not be like WW2 when we were neutral for our government signed up for PESCO ,and we will be called on for our quota of Irish meat for the grinder
      Maybe then we might just realised membership of the EU comes with a heavy price in times of war
      Let’s all pray it dose not get to that stage shall we.

  4. Trustin Judeau

    They will not move into Ukrainian territory. Ukrainians will have to move guns/vehicles/planes themselves.
    When Russia/Belarus close the gap on the border, then Poland etc will not be able to allow Ukrainians to use Poland as a base for attacks, for that will cause conflict between Poland and Russia.

  5. freewheeling

    Will Ukraine be bringing Russian convoys into the EU with them? Desperate measure, trying to shame EU into a conflict because Ukraine couldn’t get into NATO (fast enough!) and precipitated this whole thing in the first place. With wild moves like those, it’s easy to believe the conspiracy that Zelenskiy is some kind of US or NWO puppet.

      1. Gavin

        Interesting all right, not sure about the WEF’s Great Reset, but definitely some interesting points.

      2. Kali

        That Twitter link is a bit suspect. Implying the Gates have their hand in Ukraine because they gave 25 million for computers is a bit if a stretch.

      3. SOQ

        Two very goo threads there. Interesting how the whole sales pitch surrounding digital ID’s is about convivence. Basically, they are up to their necks in dodgy poo.

        1. E'Matty

          Digital IDs for all (possibly on foot of a “cyber attack by Russia”, and to ensure Internet security for OUR benefit) and an attack on crypto currencies (sure, isn’t the devil himself Putin, using cryptos to evade sanctions schpiel) will be two narratives we’ll see grow legs in the coming weeks and months. Cryptos to go and be replaced by CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies), which will enable absolute control over what each and everyone of us can buy. Complain about anything, your wallet gets locked, the precursor to which we witnessed recently in Canada.

    3. Nigel

      Of course this couldn’t be about Russia and Ukraine and their long, tangled and complex history of conflict, oppression, invasion, resistance and genocide, it has to be about all your western-centric pet hates and obsessions and every mad thought and connection made by misfiring neorons in your conspiracy-flooded brain.

      1. Duncan Wheeler

        There you go again doing other peoples thinking for them. Projecting what you think may be going on in others minds due to your narrow or mistaken interpretation of their views.

        1. Nigel

          I apologise, you must be reading none of the comments by Putin apologists, i don’t blame you.

        2. E'Matty

          Ignore Nigel. He’s only capable of thoughts implanted by the media. They told him Covid-19 was a scary dangerous virus that required ultra authoritarian measures to combat. So, Nigel naturally adopted those views as his own. They’re now telling Nige that nasty Putin has just lost it, gone mad, and attacked Ukraine in a fit of insanity, and because of his bloodlust. So, Nigel obligingly parrots that simplistic garbage.

          If you try point out that reality is in fact a little more complex than his cartoonish goodies and baddies Hollywood conditioned perspective, well, you’re a dirty racist Putin apologist. This is the same as those terrible Saddam apologists in 2003 who called BS on WMDs and were right, and the Gaddaffi apologists who called BS on the nonsensical narrative of drugged troops raping willy nilly, or those pesky Assad apologists who pointed out the blatant inconsistencies in the fake chemical weapons attacks. Anyone who doesn’t jump in behind the mainstream media narrative with both feet and cheering with enthusiasm, well, they’re obviously working for the other side. No nuance or balance is allowed. Binary thinking only.

          Our media sell us narratives to control our perception of reality and induce us into behaving as they have decided we must. Nigel thinks such concepts are daft, despite decades of evidence. Nigel thinks propaganda is what the other side do. Our side would never knowingly lie, mislead or engage in downright criminality and piracy. That’s only the other guys.

          Nigel’s in so deep now, he can’t afford to change course or his entire sense of self will collapse in a wet mess. He can only dig in deeper and harder now. Let him off to his own devices. Some are simply beyond help.

          1. Nigel

            That’s a lot of words devoted to attacking me personally just because I find the pro-war propaganda utterly risible.

      2. freewheeling

        You think Russia’s relationship with Ukraine exists in isolation from, and is immune to exploitation and manipulation by actors in, the West – with all its long history with Russia? Naive.

        1. Nigel

          Obviously not, but the stuff that has gone on between the two regions/countries are more integral, surely.

  6. ANO

    Quite the speech from Zelenskiy to the European parliament.

    The bottom line is that granting Ukraine immediate membership to the EU would effectively be starting an armed conflict with Russia so it’s not going to happen.

  7. Hughie Luas

    That’s the application form?

    A lot shorter than renewing the Irish passport….

    1. scottser

      ..but a lot longer than johnson’s proposed register of shady russian kleptogarchs.

      is joe on a day off today? did he ring in sick?

    1. stephen moran

      Reminded me of when the George W Bush got the shoes thrown at him by Iraqi journalist Muntadhar al-Zaidi in 2008

  9. stephen moran

    the question is how will these 4 upstanding working class heroes vote on the substantive issue to condemn Russia’s invasion of another independent sovereign state as the wording of the motion today before them – see below – is a big step up from the lily livered stuff they all 4 voted against and got very self righteous and preachy about.

    The resolution is hard-hitting, “condemning in the strongest possible terms the illegal, unprovoked and unjustified military aggression by the Russian Federation against and invasion of Ukraine, as well as the involvement of Belarus in this aggression against Ukraine. ”The resolution also backs a comprehensive list of measures — from “working towards” EU candidate status for Ukraine, to ensuring that the EU maintains a united front on sanctions, “without any exemptions induced by sectoral or national interests.” It also highlights “the need for Member States to acknowledge and accept that severe sanctions against the Russian Federation will unavoidably entail negative effects on their economic situation.”

  10. Gavin

    What exactly is Gavan Reilly suggesting that Ukraine should be fast-tracked into the EU, after previously being refused for valid reasons and being told by the EU commission that it would take 20-25 years or at the very earliest it would be 2030.

  11. SailorGerry

    The security operation was provoked and it is justified from a Russian perspective, I would vote against it if given a chance.

    As for the legality of war, as I am not a lawyer, so I would have to follow the lead of the worlds biggest and best democracy.

    Clearly might is right and any thing goes as per the US model of overseas engagements.

    1. Zaccone

      How exactly is the “security operation” which is currently cluster bombing civilians in their apartments justified? What did those people do to justify their deaths?

      1. E'Matty

        Please provide your evidence to support your claim of Russian forces cluster bombing civilians in their apartments.

  12. SailorGerry

    The security operation was provoked and it is justified from a Russian perspective, I would vote against it if given a chance.

    As for the legality of war, as I am not a lawyer, I would have to follow the lead of the worlds biggest and best democracy.

    Clearly might is right and any thing goes as per the US model of overseas engagements.

      1. E'Matty

        Why don’t all three of us meet? Or, we can have a broadsheet commenters get together for everyone to meet in person?

        1. George

          I suggest an apartment in Kyiv. It is safe because the Russians aren’t say they aren’t attacking any civilian targets.

  13. stephen moran

    Courtesy of Belarus own fat boy fascist Lukashenko the attack plan to carve Ukraine up into 4 zones as “peacekeepers do” – note that they plan a little field trip into Moldova (Transnistria to be precise) for another leg of the “defense” tour – anyone still peddling that line here really needs to be mocked for the gullible stooges they are an an affront to anyone with an IQ that rises above room temperature

    https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1498678813198368777

  14. stephen moran

    So Irish MEPs make of 2% of the EP but represented 15% of the votes that failed to condemn Russia’s invasion of another independent sovereign nation today in contravention of International Law and the UN Convention. I do how the good people of Dublin and Leinster are waiting fin the long grass or Daly and her tax cheat scruffbag Wallace and will in the time honoured fashion show them both the trap door to electoral oblivion and they can resettle in the workers paradise of despot Putin’s totalitarian Russia

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