Leo Varadkar (left) and Tony Holohan at the beginning of the pandemic in March 2020
This morning.
The Chief Medical Officer and public health advisers do not see the need for new restrictions to deal with the ‘surge in Covid cases’, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told a party meeting last night.
Via RTÉ News:
Addressing a meeting of the Fine Gael Parliamentary Party, Leo Varadkar said Omicron is less severe and the population is highly vaccinated.
Leo Varadkar said Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown was very busy on his visit there today but the situation was similar to a bad flu season.
He said that economic and social restrictions are not imposed during a bad flu season.
Mr Varadkar encouraged everyone to get their booster vaccine, to wear masks, prioritise ventilation and to focus on outdoor activity.
The Government also wants to see advice from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) on a fourth vaccine dose
CMO does not see need for new restrictions – Tánaiste (RTE)
same as SOQ has been saying basically.. ‘ similar to a bad flu season.’
Yes, but he was saying that when people were dying by the millons, so eventually even he didn’t have the brass neck to keep saying it.
But millions weren’t dying from Covid. Many were dying with Covid and were being wrong attributed to this virus to grossly inflate the numbers and terrorise the populace which they did very effectively.
No, they died from covid, but there was a massive disinformation campaign to discredit those numbers with the most tendentious if not outright false arguments and suppositions. Chances are total covid deaths are massively under-reported, unless you think the numbers from, say, Russia or North Korea or Florida can be trusted.
Even Leo Varadkar said “In Ireland we counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it.”
https://twitter.com/leovaradkar/status/1278995351169613824?lang=en
He even went on to say that it “skewed the numbers.”
You are in denial Nigel.
He also said it was the right approach since the priority was to save lives not look good in league tables. The current global death toll is over six million. All current excess death figures come with the caveat that they don’t actually account for covid deaths. Even if it were adjusted down to account for this, assuming the differences were actually significant, what would the figure end up being? Only five million? What a panic over nothing! Then adjusted back upwards to account for under-reporting?
You are playing complete and utter mental gymnastics here Nigel.
Denial it is.
It’s actually quite sraightforward, but it’s brave of you to admit you can’t keep up.
You are so far gone it’s not even funny anymore.
Funny isn’t it? You and a few others had pile-ins on him for daring to suggest such a thing. When it’s brought to your attention that the Government are saying similar, you proceed to attack SOQ again and not address the about-turn the Government does (which agrees with SOQs postings). Lackeys.
Yes, because he was so obviously wrong. The government are saying similar now, two and a bit years later, millions dead, God knows how many having gone through ICUs, with a new, comparatively milder strain driving up cases and hospitalisations but not ICU numbers and deaths. Are you being obtuse, stupid or dishonest?
ICU numbers and deaths were the same this time last year when some people were saying it was like a bad flu season.
This is getting tautological. When covid-related ICU figures and hospitalisations match that of a bad flu season, then it is like a bad flu season, when they are worse, they are worse than a bad flu season. The point would be that covid at its mildest has been as bad as a bad flu season.
Was it at its mildest this time last year? A time when none of us were vaccinated.
Honestly can’t remember. Last year was a million years ago.
No problem if you do not want to engage in good faith.
Not sure what you’re looking for there, sport, can’t make your point for you. There were waves when it was severe, and there were the times between waves when it was less severe. If you only compare the bits between waves then it’s as bad as a bad flu season. If you don’t, it’s way worse.
‘You’re being obtuse, stupid or dishonest’ Pot, kettle, black. Just admit that SOQ was spot on in his posts. Don’t be a clown all your life.
There are fewer ICU cases now than this time last year; then they were coming down from their huge high post the Xmas influx & unrestricted mingling. There were 221 ICU cases in late January 2021, there are 49 today, while this day last year there were 65 ICU cases, and 107 this day two years ago – all according to the link below.
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu–testing
He was wildly, spectacularly wrong. To claim he was right because of this is a ridiculous joke. So, par for the course for you. Obtuse, stupid AND dishonest.
It is ok. You are making the points for me. Refusing to answer a simple question also helpful.
You admit that there were bits between waves when things were not so bad and it was as bad as a bad flu season. We had restrictions during these periods. When all numbers were lower than they are now. This was the case in particular over the course of the two summers. Kildare had an additional lockdown during one of these summers by way of one example.of the useless measures that SOQ and others railed against.
@ Gigs- dishonest- no question of it- and NEVER wrong.
SOQ is a fool and you’re a fool for believing his nonsense.
His nonsense is now the governments nonsense. You believe the government. You’re the fool so?
A stopped SOQ is right once every three years or so.
Let’s face it with the governments record so far
I would not trust a word out of their mouths
Remember the sudden lock downs the need not to wear a mask then wear a mask
No cancellation of air travel then mass gatherings then night clubs opening then closing
And Humpty Dumpty who is clueless
Just protect your self not depend on these donkeys
As yes I believe in the vaccine but I have absolutely no confidence in this lot
At the beginning of all this Gigs I said that what was happening would make the CervicalCheck cancer scandal look like a tea party. I stand by that prediction.
These corrupt criminals will never admit to anything until they are forced to, and the starting point is to follow the money- so where was all those billions spent?
Yes, you’ll FORCE them to admit it, at gunpoint, under torture! Public kangaroo trials then the mercy of a swift death! THEN you’ll be proven right!
SOQ has already been proven right. You zealous types though still cling desperately to the delusion and hysteria. You were played and swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
He hasn’t been proven right about a single thing, but he has acquired the fiery unshakeable righteous conviction of a fundamentalist Christian preacher, which is almost the same thing, for some people.
Nigel, you’re the religious zealot on here clinging desperately to your delusional faith and the nonsense stories your high priests told you and you swallowed obediently and without question.
I’m not the one who wants to torture people until they admit they’re wrong.
I favour the torture method myself but unfortunately that would be illegal.
Obviously once the anti-vaxx parties get into power, the torture of health care officials until they admit they were wrong will become entirely legal.
I agree SOQ the difference is with the cervical smear scandal they did not throw the whole economy to the wolves while they ensured everyone in their employment got paid
They vilified my trade and prevented many from earning a crust
By shutting down hospitality it’s now a case of no one can get staff and this summer now we have to try and run our businesses without staff
Sounds like something a corrupt criminal would say
Bit of a typo there I think.
Addressing a meeting of the Fine Gael Parliamentary Party, Leo Varadkar said Omicron is less severe BUT the population is highly vaccinated.
You are welcome.
…do you remember the mathematical wing of the Broadsheet lynchmob suggesting how ridiculous the suggestion by NPHET modellers that unchecked covid infections would grow exponentially?
They’re called waves Bisted and despite this current wave seeing very high case numbers ICU levels remain stagnant, unmoving for weeks now. You were sucked in by hysteria and propaganda and are still clinging to that delusional perspective on this moderate to mild virus.
You do understand that this is a new, comparatively milder strain and that with the majority of people vaccinated, and the vaccines working surprisingly well across strains, that’s the combination keeping infections from being more severe? When the ICUs were full and people were dying regularly, was that hysteria and propaganda? If your arguments are absolutist but are also entirely conditional on shifting contexts finally aligning, how can you claim to be honest?
‘ people were dying regularly ‘
In the immortal words of a regular here – ‘Citation needed’
…can’t believe 92% of us were as delusional as me and got vaccinated…ok, the vaccines have not lived up to their original hype but they have saved us from the period were a pandemic became endemic…I knew zero about medicine before this plague struck and thanks to the daily diet of misinformation and quackery I now know even less…but I can recognise it…what motivates you…are you so scared of needles?
They didn’t save you or us from anything. By the time the country was vaccinated (last summer) the Delta wave had largely passed and since we’ve had nothing but mild variants. But keep believing the vaccines “saved us”.
Any mention of the on-going monitoring/follow-up with all those who were vaccinated with the trial therapy so far? Nope, didn’t think so.
Why would they monitor the effects of vaccines with known and proven blood clotting and myocarditis side effects when we’ve more pressing health concerns, like the change of the clocks?
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1586902/heart-attack-clocks-changing-heart-attack
Was there informed consent to the vaccine in circumstances where we were promised that it would protect us from getting the then covid variant without being informed by government of the possibility of new variants against which the vaccine would not work?
Even if the argument that vaccine reduces risk of death or serious illness among the elderly and immunosuppressed is accepted (and new variant prevents this from ever being definitively proven) surely people u. 50 who had low risk of death from the original variant could legitimately argue that they were unnecessarily exposed to vaccine side-effect risks of which there appear to be many.
Sad that this will inevitably affect uptake of vaccines generally.
It already has- I have heard a number of people recently talking about why they decline flu jabs these days- that they seemed to be forever battling colds and chest infections afterwards.
Those are personal opinions of course but it is their bodies and observations of their subsequent health. The real change is that they are speaking openly about such now.
But I think it s going to go much further than that where the entre pharmaceutical and indeed perhaps medical industry will be on the receiving end of a lot more public scepticism.
The sharp edge of this is of course the US where you pay what they charge, or you die.
‘ why they decline flu jabs these days- that they seemed to be forever battling colds and chest infections afterwards. ‘
What a fascinating nugget of scientific illiteracy.
‘The sharp edge of this is of course the US where you pay what they charge, or you die.’
Don’t tell your ideological bedfellows in the US you think this is bad. It’s their actual healthcare policy.
How bad is this “Flu Season” anybody ? 1918, 1957, 2000
“similar to a bad flu season” but in April and again in July/August too and then on top of an actual flu season…
Also, it would be equivalent to one of the worst flu seasons ever…
Anyway, good times…
If you bothered to look at the seasonal patterns you would know that the Coronaviruses- all of them- is later than that of the flu?
He was talking about comparative severity, not seasons.
we all know that soq, matty and goo are the same person and I don’t know why bs allows them to spout pure bs, but Covid is real. I’ve been wiped out for 2 weeks. The invasion of Ukraine is real. millions of innocent people have been killed. What is the matter with you denying these facts? I know, you don’t have the intelligence to reply
Sexy flu.
A Marathon effort from all those involved…
*snickers*
South Korea, a country with an 85% COVID-19 vaccination rate, is having a record surge of new cases.
The CDC is advising not to travel to the country.
When the CDC is advising the vaccinated to refrain from traveling to a highly vaccinated country, you know something’s wrong.
https://twitter.com/drsimonegold/status/1507842333290729479
Amazing.