The Sisters of Charity are the main shareholders of the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group which the Department of Health said will be the “sole owner of the new hospital” which is planned to be built at the St Vincent’s Hospital site at Elm Park, Dublin 4
This afternoon.
Via Simon McGarr in The Gist: (full article at link below):
The Permitted Use the HSE can put the new hospital to is defined in the Lease as
“In relation to the National Maternity Hospital Area as a public hospital primarily for the provision of all clinically appropriate and legally permissible healthcare services, including research, by a maternity, gynaecology, obstetrics and neonatal hospital, and a range of related health services in the community and any other public healthcare service or services”
That creates a two step test for any use of the hospital.
1) clinically appropriate
2) legally permissible.
On Prime Time, Holles Street’s legal advisor said that she was originally very pleased at the insertion of the phrase “clinically permissible” into the agreement document and then that;
“We did not foresee that this would be taken and flipped.”
Ambiguity results in unexpected, unwanted or sometimes perverse-seeming interpretations being placed on the disputed phrases.
The Minister has said this phrase was introduced at HSE request. It can therefore be removed without damaging the deal otherwise.
It should.
Earlier: lease Of Life
The Gist: The Maternity Hospital, in brief (Simon McGarr, The Gist)
church still has far too much power and respect in this country.
how many more generations before people finally cop on?
the people have… the gob poos in power not so much, it’s almost like it’s not in their best interest
Fupp the nuns. Burn them.
well they will burn in hell Sara according to their own beliefs, I’d be happy with them giving back the land and money they made of the regular sinners backs in this world
clearly simple simon has never done a lease.
its called negotiating with youself,can’t do it.
in other words-its a Landlords lease.
tenants (hse) requests changes -above-landlord agrees to these changes.
oh hold on….we changed our minds or we lost them….
Simon says,we should remove the clause we asked to include.
its just bad faith to suggest this.
The problem is clearly stated in the introduction to the article:
“the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group … will be the “sole owner of the new hospital” ”
In black and white, this is the problem.
Why is an Irish government paying for and building a hospital and gifting it to a private organisation?
In reality the religious aspect, bad as it is, is just a secondary problem; important without a doubt, but if the hospital was kept in public hands, this secondary problem would not arise.
the sisters are hardly what you would call willing sellers,its not like they have any reparations to pay.
they were approached, said NO WAY its not on market, we not selling,lease it or lose it, can’t blame the sisters for taking advantage, its just what they do,like the scorpion and the frog.
As usual, the atheists’ obsession with the church & the past blinds them to the obvious, though jonjoker is on the scent. As a fully-owned asset of this group, which is not really connected with the Catholic Church, the hospital can be sold on to American Corporate Healthcare outfits, which would not be possible if it was owned by the State, not without some outcry, anyway.
This is privatisation, a long-term & stealthy version. The HSE hasn’t really got the expertise to run hospitals anyway, strange as that may seem. They specialise more in creating a mess from a shambles then turning it into a disaster, their main role being as a social welfare system for redundant public servants, formed into layers of unnecessary middle & upper management, a political football magically transformed by Ahern into a feeding trough, at the behest of the all-powerful PS unions.
They actually amalgamated all the various Health Boards into one, without any redundancies, creating massive duplication within a labyrinthine structure, with job titles that defy comprehension & a management-by-manual approach, literally by the book.
The government has long given up on reform, their sharpest, most able people have been sent in there to try to reorganize the place & ended up utterly defeated.
The Irish are simply incapable of running their own Health Service, what an embarrassment. The St Vincent Group will at least be competent.
No… the issue is not as it has been presented in your opening comment a matter of athiests but as you have said the matter of privatisation… the presentation of forthcoming corporate American influence and the current conflict that religious teaching has delivered to the political and social setting is not something which we need to import however… it feels like a significant moment that such an issue is made public in its consideration and there is huge credit to the people and growing public awareness around this subject of future ownership and past indebtedness.. please for the love of all that is holy let the voices continue to speak up against those who confuse themselves and others about what ownership and custodialship truly mean … no church or school need ever again be rooted by a singular vision of what is holy … amen
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