Yesterday.
Molesworth Street, Dublin 2
Pro-Life supporters party like it’s 1983 to celebrate the Eighth Amendment of the constitution, the principle barrier to reform of Ireland’s abortion laws.
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Ah yes, push the youngster (all 12 of them) up the front for the photo ops and propaganda. While the old people hang around at the back.
In fairness they’d travelled all the way from the US to take part so it’s nice to give them some time in the spotlight
What’s wrong with that? Those girls are beautiful and will all be able to bear beautiful but unwanted children who can be easily disposed of when we repeal the 8th
There are in excess of 4,000 Irish abortions a year. They are hypocritically exported to GB (not the UK because Norn Iron is equally as backward when it comes to women’s health and rights) and parts of Europe who stopped shaming women for being sexual beings decades ago.
By the way, how many” unwanted” children are you caring for? Tusla has hundreds in their system looking for foster or permanent homes… Or are you like most of the anti-choicers that you only really care about children while they’re inside a woman’s body?
I’m being sarcastic you dope. You anti- humour proborts are as clinically braindead as the conbort crowd
Nice weather, happy smiling people. And history will judge them all to be wrong. What a funny backward little island we are. This must have cost a lot of dollars.
They’re entitled to their opinion I suppose.
It was reported that hundreds had turned out until RTE had their say and it was then miraculously in the thousands!
I’m so tired of this even being a “debate” it’s a woman’s right to choose and our disgusting policy here is making life hell for untold amount of women everyday.
Shame on Ireland
They’re too cowardly to reform incase it’s political suicide… long as they’re alright eh?
What about the rights of the unborn. Doesn’t matter to you obviously. Tough man.
Topsy, I prefer the rights of sentient women to supercede the rights of the unborn. I also trust them to do what’s right for them. Why don’t you trust women?
No person has the right to take a life.
The rights of the moron – unborn or otherwise are never far from my mind.
Nothing manly about placing a woman’s rights on par with those of a zygote.
No, no, no… you’re the “tough man” who thinks OK to force women abroad to get treatment.
You big man Topsy, you top dog, top feckin’ eejit!
Murder is murder.
You’re great craic
If you believe what you say, then you must support the prosecution of women who have had abortions on murder charges. Are you campaigning for it? Are you at the airport every day, trying to stop the waves of these ‘murderous’ women?
If you do not believe that a woman who secured an abortion should be imprisoned with a sentence for murder, then you cannot genuinely believe that “murder is murder”. Pick one.
See MayJay for clarity on your own position…. which you are clearly happy to be a lazy cowardly hypocrite about.
When is your campaign to lock up the murderous women starting?
And that’s the whole point, Shane. Bizzarely, it is only because of our membership of the EU that ANY legislation to improve the situation of women and minorities has arrived. Do you seriously think that the “marriage bar” wouldn’t still be in place if it was left to our legislators? Similarly the Family Home protection act of 1976 and ancillary legislation would not exist. I well remember a friend of mine being in receipt of “deserted wives’ allowance – similarly one who received” unmarried mothers alliwance”. Both of these municifent bounties have since been titled “lone parent allowance”, applicable to males as well as females. However the former titles of these benefits speak volumes. Basically we are still stuck in an era where ‘de wimmin’ are sly, mendacious, stupid and generally untrustworthy.
While you are right about the marriage bar, you are being a little unfair to our legislators – there was no onus on the previous Govt to hold a referendum on same-sex marriage, for example.
‘it is only because of our membership of the EU that ANY legislation to improve the situation of women and minorities has arrived.’
That’s nonsense & dangerous nonsense at that. Yes, ‘he former titles of these benefits speak volumes’ but that was the same elsewhere in Europe. You can’t keep waiting for outside bodies to be your saviour, you need to take responsibility.
I see what you’re saying but I wouldn’t go so far as to describe it as “dangerous nonsense”. I’m sure the recently married gays or lesbians or women who can at least now gain information on abortion choices etc wouldn’t agree with you either. Face it – we’re a remote, largely agrarian, peasant minded statelet at the periphery of European civilisation. Change when it happens comes dropping slow and I for one appreciate all the external help we can get.
The SSM referendum did not come because of the EU. IT came about because of changing attiudes in Ireland & because there was a smart, coordinated campaign (which yes sought American financial backing) which helped to work (within the political system & without) to achieve it.
If they had waited for the EU, we would be waiting for a long time to come. It is not legal in Germany.Italy/Austria/Hungary/Poland etc.
We need to stop sh!tting on our ability to do anything positive because doing so makes it more difficult to do anything positive.
I have no problem with international backing as long as all monies and backers aremadeknown, which us what the SSM campaign did…..
the nay sayers hid finances from public and refused to voluntarily sign up with SIPO
One only needs ask…. why are they hiding their support… If one campaigns and is unwilling to be open and honest
….then f’em
I’m not sure that one swallow makes a summer classter but I salute your stance actually – fair play
I know, debate is hard Shane.
‘ tired of this even being a “debate”’
Don’t fall into that trap.
Wow, some people don’t agree with the hive mind. Get over it.
Plus it’s hardly fair to complain about US supporters of the pro-life movement when you have this http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/American-Chuck-Feeney-the-key-backer-for-gay-marriage-in-Ireland.html
He also backed Limerick University…
Why don’t you ‘get over it’?
The “American dollars” refrain is a popular one Peter. It allows some people to assure themselves that Irish people don’t really oppose abortion. That it’s all just a sham.
Without that blood money it’s the only way conbort inbreds would be able to get their thick peasant heads together to do anything
Haha
Unfortunately that is not true.
They have been successful at enliciting the support & financing of American organisations but actually, the ‘pro-life’ lobby has long been very strong & very organised.
If the issue was merely American dollars, it would be easily solved.
On a separate note, I think you would be surprised how many middle-class, ‘urban’ Irish people are not pro-choice,, especially how many young professional women.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all classter, I know lots of them. I’m just saying that in terms of media management and promoting their cause the US funding makes it possible to employ profession full time people devoted to promoting this crap.
It’s almost as if there’s a diversity of opinion on this profound social issue classter.
so lets have a vote on it to see what the Irish public really think on this
Exactly. And the polls suggest they don’t support a ban so there you go
No it is not.
The issue with support from abroad is that those interest / pressure groups on the pro-life side are refusing to register with SIPO and be upfront and honest about whose agenda is funding their campaign.
You can see all and every bit of funding from the pro #marref side from SIPO because they registered with and cooperated with the body. They showed accounts, how much was spent, where money came from, and from whom…… none of the pro-life side are willing to be open and honest, so why should anyone believe a word out of them when they’ve been caught lying about research, intentionally misquoting research and literally been caught making up stuff.
But if that’s where you put your “faith”, in a bunch of liars, that’s fair enough.
Foolish self-deluded people do foolish deluded things.
+1
Fundamentally good point about the Hive Mind. Too much “mob-rule” nowaday. No tolerance for views that run counter to the liberal-consensus.
Such as? Paedophilia? Pederasty? Combining those with a vocation?
“No tolerance for views that run counter to the liberal-consensus”
– good man; well-done on illustrating the above point.
So you have no point of your own? Figures
42 39 56
Hive mind. From the people that brought you “groupthink”, ‘preborn” and “jumbotron”
Funny that you apply that phrase to people who oppose the 8th amendment, when the uniform posters, balloons and teeshirst more than suggest the hive has control of the anti-choice cohort.
The fact that the Irish Central used the word gay instead if equal is a pretty good indication of their view on that. They were wrong of course as Catholic Ireland is more alive in NYC than here these days. There was international funding on both sides of that referendum but only one was declared. Says it all really.
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But Chuck Feeney is Irish, or at least Irish-American.
He has Irish citizenship. He has a home here.
He has donated huge amounts of money to Irish educational institutes.
It is a bit farcical to compare him to random religious extremist wingnuts who have no connection to Ireland.
The issue isn’t accepting American money anyway – the issue is hiding this source of income.
It’s only recently one of the anti choice websites changed their currency of choice for donations from dollars to euro.
+1
All of those marchers provide a proof that abortion is necessary.
Cot: you obviously escaped then.
So you appear to agree that abortion kills individual human beings then. Fair enough.
Kills fetuses. Fetuses aren’t humans. They’re fetuses.
Human foetuses.
Foetuses
Spontaneous miscarriage kill more individual human beings a year in ireland than induced ones. The body rejects what it percieves as an invading parasite. Nature’s funny that way.
That’s not why spontaneous miscarriage happens.
Have you had one?
But they do, in their thousands every year. Have the so called “pro life” organisations invested money into why this happens, in order to help women who want to be mothers fulfil their need?
Or do they just spend the money on posters, balloons and shaming women?
Silence like it’s 1984.
ugh these bigots are no different from nazi rallies how are they allowed to do this?
They spend many thousands of dollars on advertising, posters, balloons, teeshirts, jumbotron hire and probably a permit from the County Council to to spread their ugly, hateful propaganda. You can’t ban them because it would feed into their martyrdom complex.
Why would you ban them? I assume Jimmy is engaging in some real subtle comedy.
I don’t want to ban them. It’s right craic watching the tantrums when the media doesn’t give it the coverage the zealots believe it deserves, and when the real amount of attendees is given, rather than the fantasy numbers the organisation peddles.
Yesterday was obviously a huge waste of money when all anyone is talking about is the small number who turned out.
Stooping to the naming calling again I see.. you’ll be banned in no time, again.
The fact you even write that shows your true colours Anne. You’re not about debate or discussion but all about bullying and censorship
Coz I see your true colours shining through..and they’re beautiful like a rainbow.
I can’t censor you, you zzzope. That’d be yourself, getting yourself banned because you can’t be any bit civil.
And calling people inbreds is not debating sweetie.
You’re such a sensitive little soul aren’t you.. bullying huh.. you’ll get the same back as long as you continue leaving your poo after my comments. Karma’s a b*tch like that.
I don’t seek to enforce and preserve moral standards to the extent you claim to do love.
I personally don’t give a poo about them
I like to have bottomholes out in front where I can see
I detest the pro-life movement but there is a very large difference between this & a Nazi rally and it is pretty offensive to suggest otherwise.
You’re a beautiful man Classter but uber naïve
You’re beautiful. You’re beautiful.
You’re beautiful, it’s true.
I saw your face in a crowded place,
And I don’t know what to do,
‘Cause I’ll never be with you.
Drink taken.
Why don’t they ever march to ban and criminalise the thousands of women going to the UK for an abortion?
If it’s murder why aren’t they banging on about that? Pack of Holy Catholic Ireland NIMBYs
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+ 2016
Also on Saturday, a couple of friends and I did our fortnightly stall for the Abortion Rights Campaign in front of the Central Bank, got over a hundred signatures for our petition, had loads of conversations with people (and even some people who disageed with the free, safe, legal aim of ARC still signed because they want abortion in cases of rape, incest and FFA), and continued to raise awareness. And out of the 100+ people who talked to us in those 2 hours, only 2 were totally against abortion – and one of those only shouted something at us as she waleked by.
The people who rallied on Saturday are a declining breed. Their prior rallies began with a march and ended on Merrion Square, while this year they assembled and stayed on Molesworth street, which is much easier to fill. They would not have done this if they weren’t worried about numbers.
100%
what about the life of the unborn child, that will grow and eventually become a fully fledged member of society.
Oh sorry, you want the right to abort that person on a whim.
Yes, I do want women to have the right to abort ‘that person’ on a whim.
I think if you do not want to carry a foetus to full term, then you should be able to make that choice.
Nobody can insist that you donate an organ to keep another human alive, why can you insist that women be imposed upon?
The trouble is, we are not talking about genuine equivalents. “Eventually” is not a person. No one is at the airport, protesting about the women who travel for an abortion. Why not? If every life is a life, equivalent in rights, why are anti-choice campaigners not calling for murder charges against the twelve women a day who travel?
It is also worth noting that the 8th amendment doesn’t just affect abortion rights. It also removes medical decisions from a woman with a wanted pregnancy. Either way, a woman is not trusted to make medical decisions. That tells its own story.
Whatever your position, surely you can’t object to the idea of a referendum?
the grey army
wont somebody pls think of the children
Equating a clump of cells to a full human is nonsense. Rights next for the cold virus?
If abortion is muder are blowjobs cannablism?
Depends how good you are
It’s weird that all the calls to criminalise women for having abortions are coming from pro-choice people.
It’s weird that someone would deliberately take comments out of context in a point-scoring attempt rather than address the point they raised.
Actially no, that’s par for the course.
Is it? So you don’t agree with that then?
It’s weird that anti-choice people always eventually return to the ‘life is life/murder is murder’ refrain as the whole basis of their position, but when they are called on to continue that logic to its natural conclusion they don’t answer the question. In fact, I would have some small understanding for someone who genuinely believed that ‘murder is murder’ and also acknowledged what that means. I would disagree, but at least it’s honest.
And you know well that a question is not the same thing as calling for something. Obfuscation and misdirection is the name of the game.
It’s either murder or it isn’t. This is either a democracy or it isn’t. So – Is it murder, with all that means? Do you object to holding a referendum?